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Weedle McHairybug

aka Eric Otness

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  • Listen, I understand what you're saying about 'correct wording' and all that, but the fact of that matter is that Hal was seventeen when Huey killed himself. Hal was raped by Julie. Who knows at what age it actually started, too. He legally could not consent, and the fact that afterward he ran away from home, and that he's so broken up about it years later, is evidence that he didn't WANT to either. Plus, you know, Huey KILLING HIMSELF when he found out.

    He can say he was seduced, but often survivors of sexual assault don't use the correct wording for their trauma, as they often think it was their fault, or that what happened was normal. Both Wikipedia and TV Tropes say he was abused:

    "Hal was sexually abused by his stepmother, and she coerced him into keeping a brief affair. Upon learning this, Huey committed suicide by drowning himself in the family pool, and attempted to drown Emma as well." - WIkipedia

    "Disappeared Dad: In Sons of Liberty, it's revealed that Huey committed suicide in the family pool (and nearly took Emma with him) after discovering his second wife was sexually abusing his teenage son." - TV Tropes

    "Guilt Complex: The opposite of his father in this respect, Otacon DOESN'T blame some other people he really should like calling his stepmother's sexual abuse "an affair" as if they bore equal responsibility." - TV Tropes

    "Likes Older Women: Inverted, as the incident in question did not involve meaningful consent and ripped his family apart. He was sexually abused by his stepmother and his father caught him in the act and committed suicide by drowning himself in the pool. Unfortunately, he dragged Emma along with him, causing her hydrophobia." -TV Tropes

    "Rape as Backstory: His stepmother sexually abused him in his mid teens, and discovering this drove his father to suicide (and yet somehow not to press statutory rape charges against his wife). Otacon refers to this as an "affair", which seems to be another manifestation of his Guilt Complex." - TV Tropes

    Regardless of what Hal may have said, it was not consensual. And frankly wording it as if it were an equal relationship does a disservice both to Hal's character and to real life survivors of sexual asault.

    Thanks,

    Ali

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    • Do you have a source for Hal supposedly being in his 30s in 2, originally?

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    • Mikotoh wrote: Do you have a source for Hal supposedly being in his 30s in 2, originally?

      Not for 2, but he WAS stated as being in his thirties in his biography for MGS1, as you can see here: http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mgs/character/ch15.html and until Peace Walker, there was literally nothing conflicting with that claim.

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  • So we have similarities with Colonel Volgin (MGS3: Snake Eater) and Luca Blight (Suikoden II) are both always sadistic maniacs who brutally tortures innocents characters.

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  • Hi Weedle, would you clarify what you meant by "cover section for the briefing" in your last edit comment? You didn't add a new source to the article, so is this also in the user's manual? Thanks.

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    • Ah, never mind, I found it. I cross-checked it with the Japanese manual and it is indeed present.

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    • Sorry for not responding earlier, I was at Goodwill from 10 to 7. And yes, it's in the user manual.

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  • In-jokes by their nature are fourth wall breaking because they reference the games as games. Some of the more distinctive fourth-wall breaks are of this type: most obviously, Zero and Snake's reaction to the Raikov mask in MGS3 is entirely based around you knowing about Raiden in MGS2. The fact that some are subtle enough to function as in-world information just means they're good in-jokes, ie unobtrusive to people who don't know what out-of-game information they're referring to.

    The thing with the "music stopping" on the other hand is in-game: it's established there was music playing over the PA system in this specific case, and it's stopped. This is part of that weird "mind control music" plot road-bump that doesn't really go anywhere.

    The other one I removed was Liquid talking about his sunglasses: the game's in two minds about whether you can see things through the CODEC (Snake's never met Mei Ling and somehow knows she's cute after a CODEC conversation with her), so it's more an inconsistency than a fourth wall break.

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    • 1. That doesn't matter, we're talking about EXCELSIUS. Stop speculating about other things,

      2. No, that could also suggest that Granin gave it to Ocelot to pass on, presumably knowing he was a double agent. And again, this has gone completely off-topic, can you please stick to discussing the edits rather than all these random tangents?

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    • I didn't read through the whole debate, but I think the simplest solution would be to just split the article into direct fourth wall breaks, and those in-jokes that indirectly reference the real-world games, but could have in-universe explanations (among which I include Mantis's background music).

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  • The "source" you provided was a simple URL. You noted no information about it at all, i.e. no writer, publisher, year of publication, it's origin, etc.

    Regarding previous consideration of other commentaries as canon, they were only ever used in cases where they didn't contradict the games, or supported what was already present in the games. This Mantis one is clearly contradictory, and the game can't be claimed to have created a retcon because it never presented this info. Saying it is a retcon is misleading, and you yourself note in the Mantis article that it could only imply a retcon.

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    • Bluerock wrote: You're completely missing the point. The game doesn't create a retcon because this info doesn't exist in the game. We have never used outside (let alone, unpublished) commentary as sources for retcons.

      Also, I don't recall posting any naked URLs. I usually use the citation templates, otherwise how would a reader be expected to know what the link even is? They shouldn't be expected to blindly click on it without any context. Maybe, I mistakenly didn't do it one time, but that's no excuse for doing it yourself, especially since you know how to do it properly. Also, Arkhound said he just "found" it, so not exactly reliable, is it?

      Yeah, you did, quite a while back, before you started doing the whole citation templates thing. I remember that very well (I think it dated back to about the time of Peace Walker). Like, for example, simply saying Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker as a source. Some of your citations certainly didn't use "Kojima Productions" and year.

      And I'm not missing any point. The fact of the matter is, that was made at Kojima's direct order, and Kojima himself stated only his words matter, not the games (that's even why Portable Ops has a gray side to canon right now, because it wasn't made by Kojima).

      And as far as finding it, when it lists Mr. Kojima as well as Mr. Mori and Mr. Shimomura's names within the script regarding changes they directly suggested, at least three instances, all involving Quiet, it's safe to say it's reliable, since there's no other way they'd be able to report that kind of detail. And anyways, another person who MIGHT know where it was found is Simon Arazm, since he generally updates that script regarding any new info he managed to find, including Chico as well as elements about Zero. You can also ask some of the reddit users on this thread since they're apparently responsible for leaking the script, and they would have done it sooner had the Konami reps not told them "no."

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    • You post the info, you do the running around for the proper source. That's how it works.

      Also, stop sidetracking with the Kojima stuff and wasting my time.

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  • Hey Weedle, I don't think the bottom table in the Challenge Tasks article is displaying correctly. I was going to fix it, but unfortunately I'm not sure how it's supposed to appear. It might just be a case of taking out the rowspan parameters. Do you think you could check it out when you get the chance? Thanks!

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  • Luca Blight (Suikoden II) and Dick Hardly (Powerpuff Girls):

    • Both have their purely evil personalities.
    • Both have their very sadistic personalities.
    • Both have tortured and abused innocent characters (such as the real *Powerpuff Girls and the Muse citizens).
    • Both have completely no redeeming or remorseful qualities.
    • Both are completely dishonest madmen.
    • Both are total jerks.
    • Both are truly depraved and vile villains in the franchise.
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  • Are Colonel Volgin (Metal Gear series) and Luca Blight (Suikoden II) a most vile villains in the Konami franchise?

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    • Well... Regarding Volgin, it's actually hard to say, since the Patriots (and by that, I mean the AI system, not necessarily the human founders) and Hot Coldman arguably eclipse him in sheer vileness. As far as Luca Blight, at the very least, he might be among the most vile villains in Suidoken.

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  • Hi dude, what's your name?

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  • Hello friend. It's been a long time since we talked. How are you today. On this Easter Egg Sunday. I'm doing fine. I'm still here just haven't been active for many years. Lol

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