Hey Bluerock! I'm an administrator over on the official Death Stranding Wiki and was curious if you'd be interested in affiliating our wikis, considering both Death Stranding and Metal Gear are Kojima's most well known series.
I would have to talk with some of my guys over there to see if they'd be interested, but I don't see why they wouldn't be. Let me know what you think and I'll get right on it! Cheers.
Hey, sorry for the late response. The other administrator has agreed to form an affiliation, however, he was wondering if it was possible to add us to the top off your affiliation list.
His reasoning for this is that MGS and DS are Kojima's biggest titles and share a majority of the same community. The Metal Gear Wiki would also be one of the, if not the only interwiki affiliation we plan on having so the impact isn't too lopsided.
Alright, sounds like we have ourselves a deal then! I've uploaded our placeholder wordmark here, so feel free to use it. In the meantime, I'm going to work on our Affiliates section on the wiki and find a way to work you guys in.
One thing I wanted to ask about: On this wiki, our numbers show that over half of pages here don't have an infobox, which is pretty unusual for most wikis. That said, I took a quick look around and most of the big pages seem to have infoboxes already.
Do you know if this means that a lot of pages lack infoboxes that could benefit from them, or does it just mean that lots of pages are hard to make infoboxes for? If it's the latter, this may not be a problem at all (we don't want to shoehorn infoboxes in), but if it's the former, is there any way I can help with getting infoboxes for them?
Hi Techno, sorry for delayed response. I do think more articles could benefit from infoboxes, though some might need some redesign, or new types/subtypes created, to make them more applicable to the less common subjects. I will look into this more soon.
If Big Mama specifically said "The Boss had falsely been accused of treason, so the CIA had her taken out", then yes, it would have strictly been a reference to Operation Snake Eater (since the pretense of that op was to get rid of a traitor). Problem is, she doesn't even allude to possible treason being a factor at all, so she couldn't have been referring to just Snake Eater. I believe her exact words about it were "She had an almost overwhelming charisma about her. The CIA feared this, so they had her eliminated." Absolutely no mention of any perceived treason she had committed was uttered in this sentence, implied or explicit. The only thing that would actually point to is Gene's revelation.
And yes, I know about the radio conversation with Zero where he mentions that they feared that she'll inspire more defections, but here's the key thing, even that conversation specifically indicated her defection as playing a key role in that operation. Imagine yourself as a guy who never played Snake Eater before MGS4, heck, never even did so much as look UP the plot summary for that game. The takeaway for that just from what Big Mama said in terms of exact literal words would make it sound as though they just ordered a hit on The Boss without her actually doing anything to even slightly warrant it simply due to being paranoid (you know, similar to Stalin and his various Shooting Lists). The only thing that statement actually could point to is in fact Gene's statement, since it's really the only thing that makes that line of thought make ANY real sense. Especially considering that Big Mama, aka EVA, also clearly knew about how they only engineered her death specifically as a CYA over underestimating Volgin, and thus would have no real reason to just reference it as an operation to kill a traitor due to knowing she wasn't actually one.
We had this discussion before, and I don't want to waste time arguing about it again (i.e. the pre-existing tensions between characters/groups in MGS3, brevity in exposition in MGS4 to avoid distracting the focus from Big Boss/Zero, no reference to any deliberate setup, etc., etc.). You can't claim it's an "indirect" reference to MPO, because you can't prove its any sort of reference to it in the first place.
Even if it was a reference to MPO, it has nothing to do with the character of Gene himself, and adds nothing relevant to his article. My recent additions to his article discuss when the guy actually shows up in MGS4, if only briefly in flashback/artwork, during the exposition regarding Big Boss's history.
I'm pretty sure saying "the CIA thought she committed treason, and thus had her eliminated" wouldn't have distracted the focus from Big Boss/Zero, certainly would have avoided any confusion regarding the CIA having her assassinated due to paranoia over her overwhelming charisma, which by itself lacked any real context to treason (which, you know, was the official reason for having her killed). Would have summed up The Boss's part neatly especially if we were to ignore MPO (that's only a sentence or two long, three at most. Not like they have to speak several paragraphs on The Boss). Because last I checked, the primary bit about MGS3 was that the CIA had her eliminated due to her committing treason. Even Zero's conversation with Snake that indicated fear of charisma indicated that was more to prevent any following of her example due to morale issues as well as preventing top secret stuff from leaking out, meaning the charisma thing was more of an extension of her treason rather than the primary point.
And ask yourself this: Suppose you had just started with MGS4, or better yet, MPO. Suppose you've not only never played MGS3, but never even so much as even read a summary of that event, and then you came across that line of "She had an almost overwhelming charisma about her. The CIA feared this, so they had her eliminated." Would you have even assumed, just from that line alone, that treason was even a factor in The Boss's assassination? I know if I were in those shoes of someone who had absolutely no familiarity of what's going on, "treason" wouldn't have flashed through my mind for why they killed her due to what they said, and if anything it would have been more like the CIA being as paranoid as Stalin with his shooting lists. Even if it wasn't a direct reference to MPO, it sure as heck was a poor reference to Operation Snake Eater due to it not even alluding to treason as the official reason behind the operation. Just one sentence stating she was believed to be a traitor would have sufficed well.
You're disregarding the wider context of MGS4's story, and seem more concerned with nitpicking word use rather than what the dialogue is trying to convey.
Big Boss's devotion to The Boss is what leads him ultimately to villainy due to a misinterpretation of her dying wish. Therefore, her charisma is the more important factor to mention in MGS4, because it is the primary cause behind the war between Big Boss and Zero, sparked by the injustice of her death at the CIA's direction. This is why Big Mama chooses to tell this account to Solid Snake in order to support the main point of her story, rather than get sidetracked describing the convolution of Operation Snake Eater.
The Boss's unjust death at the hands of her own country is "the primary bit about MGS3", not all the intricacies of how it came about, but what the ultimate result was, and it is the information most pertinent to the focus of MGS4, i.e. the founding of the Patriots.
Bringing it all back to the edit reversion, and looking back at Gene's actual dialogue in MPO, he never mentions the CIA wanting to eliminate The Boss for reasons other than what was already stated in MGS3, only the "strategist." It's difficult to determine whether the CIA and strategist even collaborated, or if Gene was just stating that the actions of both her country and this strategist simply combined to result in her death (he still claims that the U.S. government had to change plans following the nuclear incident, earlier in the conversation).
So, like I said, claiming that Big Mama's story has an indirect reference to Gene is not supported by the evidence. Even if it was referring to Gene's claims, it's not referring to the man himself, indirectly or otherwise, so it would be irrelevant to the article anyway and not add anything of note.
I'd just like to propose a change to the top nav. Fandom's new numbers actually show that the top navigation is used by readers quite a lot, whereas the navigation here is a bit editor centric. I'd like to redo this navigation, and once again, we can use something more similar to what I've done on the Final Fantasy and Ratchet & Clank wikis: one section for the latest release (nothing for Metal Gear at the moment, but if Konami ever announced a big release like a new remake, etc.) two sections for Games/Content categories, and a merged "Community" section for things like editor tools and also links to help non-editors find where things are and etc.
Does this work for you? If so, I can make the change for you. Thanks!
So, everytime I try to say, open an image, but let's use an example, Sneaking Suit like, MGS1 Sneaking Suit, it opens a new tab and it downloads this weird file.
I tried opening the image itself in a new tab thinking it's just some weird Wiki thing, but it downloaded the same weird file, not the image. I ran an anti-virus just in case and nothing came up, but is this something weird on my end, or is it just something weird going on wiki the Wiki(s) right now?
Just bringing this page to your attention (using URL link so it doesn't appear in WantedPages when deleted). Someone created this page, but it's quite clearly copied from another wiki, which isn't technically legal. I didn't want to do admin work for you and delete it, so I figured I'd just let you know it's here so you can decide what to do with it (i.e. Do you want a page about his Smash Bros. appearance, despite that being about the series, and want to rewrite it? Or is it better off deleted?)
It's ultimately up to Bluerock, but if I can offer a suggestion: Considering we've got severalalternateSnakes as articles, it's probably better off if we rewrote the article to not be blatant plagiarism.
I wasn't aware of the legality issue (although the source should have been mentioned). Its probably better to rewrite, perhaps by transferring some of the info from the canonical Solid Snake page (and leaving a 'Main article' link), as there's a fair bit written on the Smash Bros. series under Behind the scenes. The opening could also be written in-universe style, like the articles on other versions of Snake.
This is the only non-Metal Gear game I feel would be appropritate to have as an article though, given that its the only one where he has a significant role.