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<p>Wow. I can't believe Kojima allowed such a terrible, TERRIBLE, character to be present in a Metal Gear game. Unbelievable. The final fight is horrible! Worst Metal Gear battle ever. Many of the fights in this game were bad but this one takes the cake. Awful, truly bad.
</p><p>If you could inject nanomachines that make you invincible why would anyone bother becoming a cyborg? Why would Sundowner, for instance, attach six lame looking reactive armor plates to his back, look like a buffoon, if he could just spike up on "nanomachines that harden with every physical impact"? Holy s***! How f***ing lame!!!!!
</p><p>Massive disappointment, that's all I have to say. What a huge mistake they made with the bosses. Mistral was too easy, Monsoon was too hard, Sundowner was stupid, Sam was basically button mashing, and Armstrong....forget about it....WAY too hard, WAY too dumb. Over the top DUMB!
</p><p>All that fighting and cutting with all these advanced weapons and cyborgs and the final battle is against a "football player" with nanomachines that make him Superman. WTF did he have the giant robot for?
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<p>Although I got my ass kicked on Armstrong. I have to give credit where credit is due. I love enhanced strength to the point where it becomes its own defense. And were you just comparing Armstrong to Superman? Armstrong the man of steel. But seriously if you would listen to his song in the cut-scenes I compare him more to Terminator.
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<p>Armstrong is the best metal gear villian since Liquid Snake/Ocelot from MGS1
</p><p>You want awful main villians? Kojima made a bunch of them:
</p><p>-Volgin, forgettable dumb brute being played by almost every party in mgs3
</p><p>-Liquid Ocelot, this character is a total mess of retconned bullcrap
</p><p>-Coldman, ¿seriously?
</p><p>Funny enough Armstrong and Gene, two villians from two non directed Kojima games, are the best main bad guys since Liquid
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<p>Oh look, someone wants to let the internet know how disappointed he is like anyone gives a damn.
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<p>Now we can add another shitty main villain to the <i>crappy main villain</i> list created by Kojima:
</p><p>- Skullface, perharps the most pathetic metal gear villain to date, worse than Hot Coldman lol
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<p>Dunno, i was really surprised at seeing Armstrong as last boss, i wondered just how is he gonna try and beat me, then BAM the excelsus! Ok, beat it, what is he gonna do now? BAM! NANOMACHINES, SON! Reall, that was quite the epic moment, i thought: "damn... this is brutal." the music, the fight everything was really epic and enjoyable, really had the feel of FINAL BOSS.
</p><p>As for people whining at Sam not being last boss, i say good riddance! Don't get me wrong, sam is great character maybe even my most favorite in mgr, but... in no way did i see him as a last boss at any point in the game, he's awesome, cool and strong but he simply doesn't fit that epic last boss criteria specially when you consider the fact that ever since you meet himit is quite obvious that he was a puppet, definitely not the puppet master.
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<p>Really, there's a very good reason that, while Sam was an awesome character to meet and defeat, Armstrong's the final boss. Has everyone forgotten that Sam was originally a good guy and Mr. "Go After World Marshall For Great Justice and Stuff"? He only fell in with Desperado after all his efforts to kill Armstrong were in vain, and he got "hired" as a mercy. The beauty of facing Sam when you do is that this timing factors in to how Raiden develops in power (as he gets upgrades) and finds his purpose (all the story stuff of "you hold your sword back" and "all those cyborg cops had feelings, shame on you") as the story progresses. When Raiden faces Sam for the final time, they meet as foils and equals to each other before Raiden proves that he is ultimately better.
</p><p>Thus, facing Armstrong at the end symbolizes how Raiden is even stronger than Sam and carrying on his original fight. Raiden has more upgrades and power than Sam did, and his specific resolve to protect the weak from exploitation (especially with Raiden taking it all personal what with how he was exploited by Solidus to be a child soldier) gives him a stronger resolve to stop Armstrong than just Sam's good intentions. It's all part of the symbolism in Raiden having to use Sam's sword to kill Armstrong. It's part of Raiden then saying that he's "not so sure" anymore about his "tool of justice" speech Sam previously mocked. With a figurative Zandatsu, Raiden has taken in Sam's "essence" to empower himself.
</p><p>To summarize, Sam would have been a terrible final boss because (as has been said) he was never a mastermind of the plot, and because a ton of beautiful symbolism would have been thrown out the window with such a change. Honestly, I'm having to deny my tool of analysis its purpose over here in wanting to get down every possible nuance of the final fight, or we'd be here forever. Haven't even scratched why Armstrong as he is (a not-your-beltway-pansy senator on NANOMACHINES, SON) is a perfect fight against Raiden and in this game, as opposed to bosses like those in the other games. What I will say is that Rising has the best dang thematic end I've seen in a game for a long time. It all really does...
</p><p>...Have to Be This Way.
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<div class="quote">205.175.97.169 wrote:
Really, there's a very good reason that, while Sam was an awesome character to meet and defeat, Armstrong's the final boss. Has everyone forgotten that Sam was originally a good guy and Mr. "Go After World Marshall For Great Justice and Stuff"? He only fell in with Desperado after all his efforts to kill Armstrong were in vain, and he got "hired" as a mercy. The beauty of facing Sam when you do is that this timing factors in to how Raiden develops in power (as he gets upgrades) and finds his purpose (all the story stuff of "you hold your sword back" and "all those cyborg cops had feelings, shame on you") as the story progresses. When Raiden faces Sam for the final time, they meet as foils and equals to each other before Raiden proves that he is ultimately better. <p>Thus, facing Armstrong at the end symbolizes how Raiden is even stronger than Sam and carrying on his original fight. Raiden has more upgrades and power than Sam did, and his specific resolve to protect the weak from exploitation (especially with Raiden taking it all personal what with how he was exploited by Solidus to be a child soldier) gives him a stronger resolve to stop Armstrong than just Sam's good intentions. It's all part of the symbolism in Raiden having to use Sam's sword to kill Armstrong. It's part of Raiden then saying that he's "not so sure" anymore about his "tool of justice" speech Sam previously mocked. With a figurative Zandatsu, Raiden has taken in Sam's "essence" to empower himself. </p><p>To summarize, Sam would have been a terrible final boss because (as has been said) he was never a mastermind of the plot, and because a ton of beautiful symbolism would have been thrown out the window with such a change. Honestly, I'm having to deny my tool of analysis its purpose over here in wanting to get down every possible nuance of the final fight, or we'd be here forever. Haven't even scratched why Armstrong as he is (a not-your-beltway-pansy senator on NANOMACHINES, SON) is a perfect fight against Raiden and in this game, as opposed to bosses like those in the other games. What I will say is that Rising has the best dang thematic end I've seen in a game for a long time. It all really does... </p><p>...Have to Be This Way. </p> </div> <p>Wow, absolutely nailed why the buildup with Sam and then Armstrong as the final boss worked so well for Raiden's character. Honestly loved what you had written here, great stuff.
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Really, there's a very good reason that, while Sam was an awesome character to meet and defeat, Armstrong's the final boss. Has everyone forgotten that Sam was originally a good guy and Mr. "Go After World Marshall For Great Justice and Stuff"? He only fell in with Desperado after all his efforts to kill Armstrong were in vain, and he got "hired" as a mercy. The beauty of facing Sam when you do is that this timing factors in to how Raiden develops in power (as he gets upgrades) and finds his purpose (all the story stuff of "you hold your sword back" and "all those cyborg cops had feelings, shame on you") as the story progresses. When Raiden faces Sam for the final time, they meet as foils and equals to each other before Raiden proves that he is ultimately better. <p>Thus, facing Armstrong at the end symbolizes how Raiden is even stronger than Sam and carrying on his original fight. Raiden has more upgrades and power than Sam did, and his specific resolve to protect the weak from exploitation (especially with Raiden taking it all personal what with how he was exploited by Solidus to be a child soldier) gives him a stronger resolve to stop Armstrong than just Sam's good intentions. It's all part of the symbolism in Raiden having to use Sam's sword to kill Armstrong. It's part of Raiden then saying that he's "not so sure" anymore about his "tool of justice" speech Sam previously mocked. With a figurative Zandatsu, Raiden has taken in Sam's "essence" to empower himself. </p><p>To summarize, Sam would have been a terrible final boss because (as has been said) he was never a mastermind of the plot, and because a ton of beautiful symbolism would have been thrown out the window with such a change. Honestly, I'm having to deny my tool of analysis its purpose over here in wanting to get down every possible nuance of the final fight, or we'd be here forever. Haven't even scratched why Armstrong as he is (a not-your-beltway-pansy senator on NANOMACHINES, SON) is a perfect fight against Raiden and in this game, as opposed to bosses like those in the other games. What I will say is that Rising has the best dang thematic end I've seen in a game for a long time. It all really does... </p><p>...Have to Be This Way. </p> </div> <p>Wow, absolutely nailed why the buildup with Sam and then Armstrong as the final boss worked so well for Raiden's character. Honestly loved what you had written here, great stuff.
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<p>Is Armstrong a former Diamond Dogs' soldier?
</p><p>Is he D-Dog?
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Is Armstrong a former Diamond Dogs' soldier? <p>Is he D-Dog? </p> </div> <p>Wow. That's actually a pretty interesting theory, considering the matter of where Armstrong got his ideas. Now that I think about it, is Armstrong tied somewhere into the larger plot of the series? Perhaps he and Solidus bumped into each other at some point on the campaign trails? "Politician secretly scheming to undo the beliefs of the Patriots and fights Raiden" fits both of them to a T. Heck, that would really put a new spin on the whole "children's brains for cyborgs" thing being called the Sears Program. Now I'm just imagining a lowly Governor of Texas sitting down with the president for a boring private political meeting, with Armstrong giving a complaint about the war economy before the Commander-In-Chief just smirks and says, "In that case, have you ever heard of the La-li-lu-le-lo?" as the scene fades to black. </p>
Is Armstrong a former Diamond Dogs' soldier? <p>Is he D-Dog? </p> </div> <p>Wow. That's actually a pretty interesting theory, considering the matter of where Armstrong got his ideas. Now that I think about it, is Armstrong tied somewhere into the larger plot of the series? Perhaps he and Solidus bumped into each other at some point on the campaign trails? "Politician secretly scheming to undo the beliefs of the Patriots and fights Raiden" fits both of them to a T. Heck, that would really put a new spin on the whole "children's brains for cyborgs" thing being called the Sears Program. Now I'm just imagining a lowly Governor of Texas sitting down with the president for a boring private political meeting, with Armstrong giving a complaint about the war economy before the Commander-In-Chief just smirks and says, "In that case, have you ever heard of the La-li-lu-le-lo?" as the scene fades to black. </p>
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Armstrong is the best metal gear villain since Liquid Snake.
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