Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-1918136-20130829202312/@comment-1672596-20150120052637

Jim Logan wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote:

186.62.25.69 wrote:

No, he is awful imo, whining over and over about a dead women all the time doesnt make him good complex  character, in fact, it make him look like a petulant manchild, PW was just awful in that aspect, people like to crap on Raiden, but looking at the games, BB is the biggest spoiled child in the series, i guess a beard/gruff voice combo can do wonders to mask an whiny idiot. You can have a good emotional character done right like Joel from The Last of Us without the whole -in your face- cheap drama like Kojima does.

My issue with Big Boss is about 10 years of developmental quirks that Solid Snake earned(bandanna, smoking habits, parroting of words, fetish for cardboard boxes, random grunts/mood swings, etc), being copied and pasted onto Naked Snake to ensure success from the Raiden backlash, to the point that he's even reciting MGS1 lines, with the MGS3 "Scene" theme as some sort of validation.

And at the same time, ignoring both Solidus and Liquid's connection to him, to make him a complete doppelganger of the previous main avatar that people wanted to play as, hell he has his own Otacon clone now, and is a dog loving guy too, not to mention the same friggin iconic MGS1 Sneaking Suit.

I really hope MGSV is the last of Big Boss. In all fairness, at least Big Boss isn't whining about The Boss anymore. Well with Lori confirming The Boss will be in TPP in some form... I think he'll be whining again... Okay. Then I guess Ground Zeroes is the only time he doesn't whine about The Boss (well, that and Portable Ops, since while he does acknowledge guilt about The Boss's death and is affected by it, he clearly doesn't whine about it at all in that game). Actually, come to think of it, besides Paz's reports and the previous story materials, I don't think The Boss was even mentioned in Ground Zeroes at all.

And quite frankly, I really think Kojima should have cut it with all the nihilist crap with the characters. I actually liked Portable Ops better than Peace Walker precisely because there actually was some degree of stark morality between the characters (I wasn't particularly happy with Big Boss being OOC and praising someone who is basically the same as Colonel Volgin, same with Miller doing so especially when he from MG2 definitely wasn't the type to even promote guys like him [I'm not giving names, but you know who I am talking about. The so-called "most complete human being."]. Barring possibly Hot Coldman due to his being CIA, the only other person who might not think "CHB" was a good guy at all might have been Cecile Cosima Caminades, and that's only because the Sartre tape had her, when Big Boss referenced that claim made by Sartre about him, stating "[Sartre] does tend to sympathize with the left." in a tone that implied she may have disagreed with Sartre on that bit. It's really sad that the only protagonistic character to voice even the slightest negative view of that butcher is basically a French bimbo, pardon the language.). I wasn't happy with how Solid Snake was characterized in Metal Gear Solid, especially when it effectively ruined what would have actually been a happy ending, and if that's not enough, he actually became closer to a sociopath in that game, Metal Gear Solid 2 made it worse, and even Kojima called him a monster in the commentary for Snake Eater when explaining the differences between him and his "dad." I mean, honestly, Raiden and Big Boss did some things very wrong and evil, but at least they actually did express remorse for their actions. The closest we've ever gotten to Solid Snake truly expressing remorse was in that non-canon game Ghost Babel.