Board Thread:Metal Gear Solid V/@comment-3365837-20150304213210/@comment-1672596-20150305131708

Bluerock wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote: And BTW, the definition of nihilism is claiming that nothing really matters or there isn't any point to believing in anything, and that's EXACTLY what The Boss promoted (heck, she even said explicitly that there's no point in believing in anything so long as you have the mission, and having relationships is the greatest sin a soldier could make). The definition also carries out that there is no such thing as absolute reality as well, hence Snake's MGS2 final speech oozed with it. Like it or not, it actually DOES promote it. It fits the definition. Or do I really have to post those quotes proving it? Ha! What a complete misreading of MGS2's ending. "No point in believing in anything at all." Right. The bit about "No point in believing in anything at all" was actually referring to The Boss's speech to Snake in the beginning of Snake Eater.

And maybe I should remind you of this from MGS2:

Snake     : The memories you have and the role you were assigned are burdens you have to carry. '''It doesn't matter if they were real or not. That's never the point.

[Real life footage of New York City.]

Snake     : There's no such thing in the world as absolute reality. Most of            what they call real is actually fiction. What you think you see is only as real as your brain tells you it is.'''

Raiden    : Then what am I supposed to believe in? What am I going to leave behind when I'm through?

'''Snake     : We can tell other people about -- having faith. What we had faith in. What we found important enough to fight for. It's not whether you were right or wrong, but how much faith you were willing to            have, that decides the future. The Patriots are a kind of ongoing fiction too, come to think of it....'''

Raiden    : ...

Snake     : Listen, don't obsess over words so much. Find the meaning behind the words, then decide. You can find your own name. And your own future...

Raiden    : Decide for myself...?

Snake     : And whatever you choose will be you.

Raiden    : I don't know if I can...

Snake     : I know you didn't have much in terms of choices this time. But everything you felt, thought about during this mission is yours. And what you decide to do with them is your choice...

Raiden    : You mean start over?

Snake     : Yeah, a clean slate. A new name, new memories. Choose your own legacy. It's for you to decide. It's up to you.

And you accuse me of misreading it? This is exactly what Snake said. I even showed it to my mom, and even she agreed what Snake said was of nihilism and relativism. I showed her this bit. For the record, I also showed her the speech with The Boss. And it's not just me or my mom either, at least two other people noted this about at least The Boss:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/681794-metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain/69849402

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/960566-metal-gear-solid-peace-walker/57883911