User talk:Bluerock/Archive 2

Wiki Adoption
Hi. Thanks for linking to the blog. I have given you admin and bureaucrat rights. Good luck with the wiki! -- Wendy (talk ) 02:26, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations Bluerock!--Soul reaper 11:18, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

News addon
Hi.

I think we really should add in some news that was revealed recently. For starters, I think we should add in the fact that, in addition to Snake Eater 3D, the HD collection, and Peace Walker HD Edition, there is a hint that there is at least one new Kojima Productions game on the KP website that will be unveiled at TGS.

Here's the source, BTW. http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/tgs_2011/

Weedle McHairybug 16:59, September 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Good idea. Feel free to update the news template here with a brief note on these, but make sure to include relevant and reliable sources. --Bluerock 19:23, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Background
Hey! Me again! Congrats on admin! I have a question though. How does your wiki have a picture background on both sides of the page? My wiki was trying to get something similar, but could only get a picture on the left side. -- ☢Valoopy☣ 15:46, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

Question about Gary McGolden.
What really caused McGolden's tiny hole next to his ear? His neighbors said they didn't see a UFO. Also, I'm not sure he actually made it to Shadow Moses. He supposedly went to another smaller island. Singularity87 15:51, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * If you recall, this guy is a paranoid conspiracy theorist who supposedly dressed as a giant tuna to reach the island, and cast himself as a tough character that always kept his cool. I believe the newspaper article was intended to be a little hazy when it came to the absolute truth, fitting in with the overall theme of MGS2. That's why he only "supposedly" travelled to Shadow Moses as doubts were raised (in-universe) as to whether he actually did or not. --Bluerock 17:12, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Speaking of which, what was the make of the black chopper that both Dee and McGolden mentioned? All I know is that it was square-shaped and black. The closest thing that matches up with it is the Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk, but I'm not sure if that's what this is referring to. Weedle McHairybug 17:55, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know about a specific model, but mysterious black helicopters are common in conspiracy theories, regarding experimental aircraft created by the military. --Bluerock 19:37, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't know you think McGolden made the whole thing up. I always assumed he was telling the truth about what happened to him. How else would he have known about the FOXDIE disc? As for the tuna, I guess I'm gullible. Still, if Liquid Snake can avoid having his skin burned to a crisp after being in an exploding helicopter, Gary swimming in a tuna doesn't sound far-fetched. What do YOU think really happened? At the very least, Gary getting the disc and Snake rescuing him is the truth. He also said his neighbor disappeared. That implies his neighbor was killed.--Singularity87 21:23, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't say he made the whole thing up, but he likely embellished his story a little. According to his editor, all evidence pointed to his not having visited Shadow Moses at all. Therefore, caution should be taken when describing the events that supposedly happened to him, since the event is entirely from his perspective. As for my opinion, he was probably being truthful for the most part; it just didn't happen at Shadow Moses. --Bluerock 22:45, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * .....or did it? I guess we can't be sure. --Bluerock 22:48, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

DLC packages.
Hi.

I recently created an article regarding the DLC content for Peace Walker, and I was wondering if you could help in regards to adding info into the article (assuming of course you try to download DLC content). Currently, although I've recorded some of the uniforms, I still haven't managed to locate the camo data for the other uniforms. Plus, there aren't any pictures of the uniforms in DLC 1, 2, 8, 10, 11, and 12 (well, maybe there is one for the last three, but the picture's source is too ambiguous to discern where it came from). I'd hunt the information for those myself, but let's just say that wifi and downloading from metalgearsolid.org is currently not acting friendly towards me. I'd also appreciate it if you also could do DLC content for the Japanese version, but then again, you might not have the Japanese version.

Anyways, hope you can help.

Weedle McHairybug 13:10, September 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't own the Japanese version, but I have downloaded content for the English version, so I'll add what I can soon. --Bluerock 18:08, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * :::Thanks, although we pretty much got all of the downloaded content up save for most of the naked uniforms and possibly the Walkman t-shirt by the time your responded, sorry. Weedle McHairybug 18:10, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. I was just looking through the article and couldn't see exactly what else you needed. --Bluerock 18:12, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the only thing the article might need might be the Walkman T-shirt. If you have it, you could take a picture of it and upload it. Other than that and possibly the naked variants of the DLC uniforms, that's about it in regards to Outside Japanese DLC content (Although I did find some screenshots that indicated that some Japanese DLC content were released statewide). Weedle McHairybug 13:34, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

New look for the wiki
Hey Bluerock, I made this bog the other day. It's about updating the wiki's appearance and it has a couple of images of my design for the wiki. Could you please check it out and tell me what you think?--Soul reaper 05:10, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Shadow Moses images Yoann718
Now, I don't really care about what will happen with all those pictures, which will be finally be in a dusty gallery hahaha ^_^ (The example in Okami's Wiki is, for me at least, horrible as hell ^_^).

The goal was to have a professional perspective of a "touristic" place. But oh well...

So good luck for this article, and have a nice day :)

ByeYoann718 19:28, October 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't take it as an offense. I truly understand this wikia's rules, but I don't really like those rules. It's hard for me to still work for a wiki which will go into a way i do not like nor support. It's not a matter of being offensed by someone nor a sentence. ^_^ Yoann718 20:02, October 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * If you really want my opinion... I don't like it. I made 6 pics in one line for some reasons in some areas (in the docks, it's to put each game on the same line, like 6 MGS pics on one line, and then, 6 pics MGS TTS on the other line). But again, it's not of my business now. I knew it wasn't a "perfect" presentation for an article, but it was the best available with the wikia system. I tried to see if I could remove the "add a picture to this gallery" for each gallery, but it is, as far as I know, not available. Same with reducing space between two lines.
 * As of now, If you really want to make those kind of pics, it's a non sens to still keep all of them in each area section. Put everything in a gallery and it's okay. It willl be better than the actual presentation.
 * You can also make each gallery like this: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Tidus#Gallery
 * Then, it won't take any place and you can hide it. If I was still editing this, I would probably use this presentation.
 * It's better than Okami's wikia system, that's for sure...
 * But you can still do what you think the best, because I'm not really concerned now ^_^
 * Bye. Yoann718 04:50, October 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, I'll continue to bombard this wikia with high quality pictures. You can tell to people to leave a message in my page if they request/need a Pic from any MGS. You can also prevent them from uploading very bad  quality pictures and requesting in my page instead...
 * But I won't upload today, I'll wait a little until you'll shape the Shadow Moses Article in a good form.
 * It will be great to make each gallery like in the FF Wikia's Tidus article. We can try with a single area (The Docks/ Heliport) in order to see how it will looks like. I think it's the best solution in order to be able to read comfortably and to still have a huge amount of pictures availables NEAR the description (which is more logical and professional).
 * Oh, about the vehicles (since they don't have any description), maybe we can put them in each place? Like the Forklift in the Dock area, the Tank in the Tank Hangar... Instead of having another page which will have 3 words and one hundred pics...
 * And all those vehicles, excluding the Tank and the Hind D, aren't really used in the game. (You can put on a "Trivial" section the Truck box but it's not enough to make a whole article of this).
 * For the Gallery to hide/ show, I'll suggest to have 2/ 3 galleries for each place. One with MGS, the second with MGS TTS and the last for MGS4, with a "color code" (blue for MGS, green for MGS TTS, red for MGS4...). In the behind the scenes section, we'll tell the real legend from the colors (or not, since people will be able to figure it out easily). Of course, each gallery will be named in an in-univers sens (like "Dock Gallery in 2014" for MGS4. I won't use "cicra" since I don't really like this word XD). This will fix the "little picture" problem, since I'll be able to make 3 or 2 pics per line :)
 * Of course, in the Dock for example, there won't be any "MGS4 Gallery" displayed (nor red gallery), since there is no Dock in MGS4.
 * Like this:
 * == Dock ==
 * ==== Description ====
 * ==== Dock Gallery ==== (HIDE/ SHOW)
 * ==== Dock Gallery ==== (HIDE SHOW) (We'll find a name for MGS TTS).
 * And about MGS TTS pictures, it's a lot more logical to put them in this article, even if players don't like it or the game MGS4 don't refer to MGS TTS (which is logical since they refer to the original game...). MGS TTS is still on Shadow Moses Island and is a Metal Gear Solid, therefore it's a nonsens to skip it, especially when we know how much pictures of this game are pretty rare.


 * Above all of this, the most important to understand here is that this article is complex to shape because of this simple fact: it's currently used by 4 games (if we don't forget MGS2Doc).


 * See you later
 * Yoann718 18:31, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

New main page layout
Overview · Wiki tutorial · Help pages · Timeline · Family Tree · Navigation

The Metal Gear Wiki is a collaborative encyclopedia for everything related to the Metal Gear series. There are 1,137 articles and growing since this wiki was founded in August 2005. The wiki format allows anyone to create or edit any article, so we can all work together to create a comprehensive database for the Metal Gear series.

  

This is the code for the main page. Simply remove the existing code and add this in its place. If there are any missing elements (eg. images or templates), I'll add them to the wiki ASAP--Soul reaper 08:10, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

With your permission I'll also update the button images and upload the neccessary images for the wiki theme.--Soul reaper 08:29, October 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll have everything done as soon as I can.--Soul reaper 09:55, October 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Everything's ready now. Just say the word and I'll help you set it up. SHouldn't be too difficult and I'll do as much as I can myself but only you have access to the theme designer and any locked pages.--Soul reaper 10:59, October 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Go ahead and update the main page. I haven't noticed any of the issues you mentioned but whatever they are, they should be easy to fix.--Soul reaper 01:38, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

The main page seems fine other than the strange issue with the activity feed. It seems to be that the first ten changes (which are all that should be showing) are fine, the last ten are appearing as bullet points. While it is a minor issue, i have left a message on the Wikia help forums to see what can be done. Hopefully it will be sorted soon.

The next change we should make happens in the Theme Designer. You should find a link to the theme designer in the "My Tools" section of the toolbar at the bottom of the page. If it isn't there for some reason then try THIS LINK. First save, then go to the wordmark tab of the theme designer. Under the "Graphic wordmark" section, click "choose file" and select the image you just saved, once that is done simply click upload. {C Now save this image and go to the customize tab. In the background section, leave the color white but use the graphic part to upload the image. Be sure to click the box that says "fix". With that done, click the "Save, I'm done button". It may take a few minutes for the changes to show up. Once you're done with that, we'll handle the CSS changes.--Soul reaper 08:32, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

The activity feed issue has been resolved--Soul reaper 09:35, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

The gap on the main page is due to an add which shouldn't be there or affect the page in the first place, let alone for registered users. We'll need to raise this issue with Wikia.--Soul reaper 09:44, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, now that we've done everything else, it's time for the MediaWiki:Wikia.css. When you go to edit it, I want you to highlight and remove all the text on the page. I've found that some pieces of code rely on how they are ordered within the CSS so I've included all the currently existing code in the new code I'm about to give you. This means we'll still have all the functionality that we do now, plus the changes we need for the new theme. I've also added something that will remove the "image added by" that appears in image captions. It will make it easier to format images within the articles and it's well within the ToU. Now for the code:

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/* Hide "Image added by" on articles */ .picture-attribution { display:none !important; } Just paste it all in after removing the current code, then save. Again, it may take some time to show up on the wiki itself.--Soul reaper 10:35, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've fixed the See all font and made each image link somewhere else; the activity feed image links to the full activity feed and the Did You Know and News images link to their respective templates.


 * In regards to the ad, it should be simple for me to adjust the design to fit with the ad, if we can find some way to adjust the ad (within the ToU of course) it would be even better. If you want me to adjust the design now, I'll do so, or we can wait until we get a response from wikia, it's up to you. This problem arose because when I previewed the design, the ad problems didn't show up. It may be easier for me to change it if you temporarily unlock the main page. Again, it's up to you whether we do it now, or wait to hear from wikia.--Soul reaper 12:24, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll get on fixing the main page right away. As for the banner, you may need to clear your cache and refresh the page to get it to show up. I've done so and it's working fine for me.--Soul reaper 12:38, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, i just found out that some wikis don't have an ad there, so I'll send a message to inquire.--Soul reaper 12:44, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've made a minor change that seems to work pretty well. I'll keep thinking of what else could be done. In the meantime, I'd just like to give you my thanks for letting me do all this and helping out.--Soul reaper 13:12, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

I've found out that there is a way to have a main page without that ad. I'm looking into it now and as soon as I find out the details I'll let you know if it's possible for us to do here. As for the rectangular-shaped ad you mentioned, I can't really do anything about it until I see it myself. If/when I do encounter it i'll begin working on it right away.--Soul reaper 01:22, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

E-DEN Concept Art.
Hi.

Right now, there's a bit of a disagreement between me and Yoann regarding a picture of E-DEN, mainly about whether it should be posted on the Camouflage page.

Basically, I'm trying to re-insert the E-DEN picture because I found it on Muni_Shinobu's website, and thus was likely to be something official like concept art (I didn't see how it would have been otherwise, as the other pics accessible via hyperlink were either concept art or CGI models of the uniform, plus the hyperlink containing the picture has Konami.jp on it.). However Yoann (I can't use gender pronouns in regards Yoann yet since I don't know Yoann's gender) is trying to delete it because Yoann thinks it is a bad picture. I was thinking you or one of the higher level members might want to settle the dispute.

Here's the pic in question:



And here's where it came from:

http://muni_shinobu.webs.com/mgs3/camo.html

More specifically:

http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mgs3/japanese/pic/camo_unifo_E_DEN.gif

Weedle McHairybug 09:04, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, you can still post them on the main article and feel a lot better now, since I'm leaving this wiki. Remember to post the two low res pics from the Bonsai and the USMX uniform too.
 * Since there is too much troubles here (I'm not uploading pics for that), I'm leaving. Bye Yoann718 09:23, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, Bluerock, you might have to punish me right now, if you plan to at least, seeing how this is most likely my fault. Weedle McHairybug 09:28, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not you fault Weedle, the image is official and as such has every reason to be placed on an article.--Soul reaper 09:45, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but part of the reason why Yoann left was also because I kept adding back in low-quality pictures, even when he was adding HQ pictures. Granted, I at least didn't try to remove his HQ pictures, but still... Weedle McHairybug 09:47, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's better to have low quality images of something than none at all. If we get the chance, we can always replace them with better ones but until then we should keep the low quality ones in the articles.--Soul reaper 09:53, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Soul reaper, you're speaking about something you don't even understand. I just don't understand the fact to ADD low quality pictures when I ALREADY ADDED HD PICS and removed low res pics. Is this more clear now or you need a scheme?
 * Now, speaking about this "official" image, I just wanted to remove it in order to upload a HD pic of the actual uniform, from the IN GAME viewer.
 * But don't worry about this now, since I won't upload pics anymore, you'll have plenty of low res pics from many users, including this beautiful draw that you can leave, and even put it on the main page as the "best picture ever" ^_^.
 * Yoann718 10:13, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * There's no point in getting so worked up about this, it's simple. If two images show the same thing, the lower quality on should be removed. If an image is official, it should remain on the page, even if everyone hates the image. So, if you're high quality images show the same things as the low quality ones then by all means, remove the low quality images. As for the drawing. It stays because it's official. You don't need to remove it to place the screenshot on the article, they can exist side by side.--Soul reaper 10:20, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * If you upload a new version of the same image it will replace the image in the article anyway, so there is no need to remove it. I must admit, it doesn't look like Konami's typical Camo images; can its source be confirmed other than Shinobu's website.--Bluerock 10:24, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, in regards to the E-DEN image, the hyperlink that has the image in question leads to Konami.jp, so that's one source other than Shinobu's website. I'll try to do some sleuthing on Konami.jp to find out more and verify if that's the case, though. Weedle McHairybug 10:33, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Okay, I found it: Here's the Konami.jp site that contains it. http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mgs3/japanese/camouflage_index.html
 * My guess is that it was rough draft concept art.
 * Weedle McHairybug 10:36, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT 2: One last thing, what is E-DEN supposed to be, anyways? I had to describe it as hippie because that's the only thing that came to mind, but otherwise I'm basically a total dummy when it comes to it. Weedle McHairybug 10:38, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Soul Reaper, it's not to me that you have to say "If two images show the same thing, the lower quality on should be removed", it's to Weedle McHairybug, which constantly revert my edits to add low res pics when I already added HD pics, you can see this in the Camouflage History (http://metalgear.wikia.com/index.php?title=Camouflage&diff=103401&oldid=103400 and http://metalgear.wikia.com/index.php?title=Camouflage&diff=103402&oldid=103401). And he's doing that with every article I modified. It's annoying. And removing this pic won't be a loss since it's a really, really bad quality. It's not because it's in Konami's website that it must be here too. Yoann718 10:39, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't "revert" your edits, I just added the old pictures back in without removing the HQ pics. Had it been a true reversion, I would have removed your HQ pics, but nonetheless, I'll stop if that's what needs to be done. Weedle McHairybug 10:48, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Ok. Weedle. Yoann has added High quality images that illustrate the same thing as the low quality ones, the high quality ones should stay on the page and the low quality ones should go.

Yoann, Weedle has agreed to stop reverting the removal of the low quality images.

The E-Den image may not be the most aesthetically pleasing image to come out of Metal Gear but it is official therefore it stays. Ideally we would have every single official image on the wiki. That's one of many goals we work towards. The E-Den one stays.--Soul reaper 10:50, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Of course he'll stop reverting the removal of low quality images, since I won't upload HQ pics anymore ^_^. And I really like how Weedle speak about the fact that he's not "removing my HD pics", looks like he's doing a big favour to me XD. Oh, and the goal to have every single official image is interesting, but only when you can show good stuff. When it comes to those kind of draws, it's not indispensable, since we all know that Shinkawa ca do a LOT better. Anyway, when such problems arises from a website, the best solution is to stay away. that's why I'm leaving. Bye and good luck Yoann718 12:21, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hasn't the original issue been resolved now? This whole thing just seems to be a simple misunderstanding. --Bluerock 12:30, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

One more question about McGolden's novel.
What is a "starving" college student supposed to mean? At first, I thought McGolden's neighbor was a skinny guy. 68.37.56.114 15:24, October 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe it just meant he was always out of money, since students typically spend it all on alcohol. --Bluerock 18:32, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Wiki editing issues.
Hi.

I'm wondering when the wikia is going to fix its current editing problem (a few times, its listing edits that are not only several hours old, but long outdated, as the absolute most recent edits on the wiki, and it seems to be affecting image uploads)?

Weedle McHairybug 17:19, October 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've noticed that the most recent edits sometimes do not appear immediately but I'm not sure what is causing it. If you're referring to updated images, often times you have to clear your browser's cache to see the new image, but even this does not always work immediately. --Bluerock 17:30, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

RAY 3D Model.
Actually, the image encompassed both the prototype and mass produced versions of Metal Gear RAY. It isn't apparent because you need to click on it before you can see the animation due to it being a .gif file. Weedle McHairybug 12:33, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see, apologies. I wonder if there is a way to allow playback of animated gifs in the actual articles, like on other wikis? --Bluerock 12:43, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Unidentified Gas mask soldiers (possibly Genome Combat Veterans)
In case you were wondering, these are the pics of the soldiers I was talking about that were stated to be Genome Combat Veterans in the Official Missions Handbook and weren't identified in the game itself. Weedle McHairybug 23:21, October 14, 2011 (UTC)



Comment on your "memories" section.
Same here. I also didn’t figure out where Meryl’s Codec frequency was. I also thought the “CD case” was referring to the MO Disc.--98.221.192.218 12:53, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if they'd just said something like "game case," it would have been clear. However, Snake being handed a "disk" in the exact same scene was just bound to create confusion. --Bluerock 14:34, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Question about Madnar's bio from the Database.
How exactly did Madnar "go into hiding"? EVA, Raiden and Otacon knew his name and where he lived. That's not exactly hiding. I don't think Madnar was a fugitive. --98.221.192.218 16:11, October 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * I can't recall the details of the other characters' knowledge, but Raiden may have learned of Madnar's whereabouts when he saved his life.


 * Also, what's with the Zanzibar Land reversion edits? Is this to do with the "Rose/Rosemary" dispute with Omega Fighter? If so, this should really stop, in all fairness. Rose is how the character is most commonly referred to, so it's really not that big a deal to use the shortened form in the article. --Bluerock 19:35, October 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Go figure that no one cares that he killed Kio Marv and tried to kill Snake. I'm guessing that's why Madnar went into hiding. Oh well, I guess everyone deserves a second chance. Plus he does have a daughter. --98.221.192.218 17:49, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

What's NEDW?
Hi.

Metal Gear 2 had some references from Madnar about NEDW. Can you explain to me what it is, assuming it even exists? I'm asking because the game never explains, I can't find it anywhere on the web, and not even the manual sheds light onto the subject. Weedle McHairybug 15:30, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have no idea. I remember trying to find out one time but didn't have much luck. Also, I wonder if the "brain bombs" were a reference to the music band. --Bluerock 21:17, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Brain bombs is a music band? News to me. Thanks for solving that mystery. I also tried looking up NEDW but I couldn't find anything. SDI stands for Strategic Defense Initiative. --98.221.192.218 21:54, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I knew about SDI being Strategic Defense Initiative, and while they didn't really elaborate much on brain bombs, even that was mentioned in the manual as well (apparently being developed in 1992), although I didn't know about it being a band until now. NEDW is the only thing Madnar mentioned that the only time it was even mentioned was from him. I mean, couldn't they at least mention it in the manual or something, even give the actual name rather than just an acronym? Weedle McHairybug 22:00, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I know that you know. I'm just saying...Anyway, thanks for the information about the brain bombs. So that's a fictional thing. I need to read the manual's timeline when I have time. --98.221.192.218 13:15, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Permission to create Drebin organization article?
Hi.

I was wondering if it was okay if I could create an article relating to the Drebin company that Drebin 893 belongs to. I thought I should ask permission because I didn't want to make a similar mistake to the Volgin's Anti-Khrushchev group article that I formerly created.

Weedle McHairybug 15:45, November 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * You don't really need my permission but thanks for discussing it beforehand. Perhaps it would be best to add the Drebins to "miscellaneous groups," unless you believe there is sufficient info to create a seperate page? Anyways, the reason for not having the "Volgin's Anti-Khrushchev" page was for several reasons: it was a broad political group/movement, rather than an organization headed by Volgin; he was only a member/supporter of this movement, and there was little info to be added that hadn't already been given on the Volgin and GRU pages. --Bluerock 19:28, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Does a list of weapons and equipment seen in his Stryker that's implied to be what he sells count as sufficient info? If not, I guess I could put it on the miscellaneous groups. Weedle McHairybug 21:11, November 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * The things in Drebin 893's Stryker could go on his own page. --Bluerock 21:56, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Mother Base gallery.
I agree with your decision to remove those pics of mine. They were of bad quality anyways (then again, the only method I actually know of to take pictures of what's happening in game short of the in-game rangefinder camera is via my digital camera). However, we're still going to need high quality images for the development of Mother Base pre-hexagon design. I'm uploading some now. Weedle McHairybug 21:51, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, but is it possible to take them after removing the scrolling Japanese text from the bottom (assuming that you have taken them yourself)? --Bluerock 22:15, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * The ones I recently uploaded were not taken by me. They came from this site:
 * http://www.joystiq.com/photos/metal-gear-solid-peace-walker-1-21-10/
 * I only used them because those were the only ones that were high quality and not obviously taken by a digital camera (The latter being the images that were removed from the gallery). I was planning on uploading some screenshots taken from the trailer as well, but most of them had a watermark from the website. Weedle McHairybug 22:20, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, no worries. --Bluerock 22:24, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

How did EVA steal the weapons from the vault?
Weedle claims that EVA seduced the guards. http://metalgear.wikia.com/index.php?title=M1911A1&diff=97433&oldid=95842

To me, that does't make sense. Wouldn't the guards find it strange that she would want to go to the vault to begin with? --98.221.192.218 18:53, November 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem is that the way she explained it to Snake implied seduction. Here's an example of what she said:


 * Snake: "EVA, about the .45 and the Mk22 you showed me..."
 * EVA: "Yeah?"
 * Snake: "You said you got them from a vault full of Western weapons, right?"
 * EVA: "That I did."
 * Snake: "How? A vault of secret Western technology should be under strict

surveillance."
 * EVA: "You really want to know?"
 * Snake: "Yeah."
 * EVA: "Really?"
 * Snake: "Yes."
 * EVA: "Well, I'm not telling anyway."
 * Snake: "Why not?"
 * EVA: "It'd be a waste of time."
 * Snake: "A waste of time?"
 * EVA: "Even if I explained how I did it, you'd never be able to do it yourself."
 * Snake: "What does that mean?"
 * EVA: "Exactly what it sounds like."
 * Basically, with the way she was explaining how she was doing it, the one thing that seemed accurate was seduction. Weedle McHairybug 19:15, November 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * It does sound like she "charmed" the guards in some manner, in order to access restricted areas (what that entailed is not made clear). It's doubtful that she would let the guards know exactly what she was up to. Since the story itself remains vague on the details, the article should be equally as ambiguous, and be left to the reader's interpretation, as it is in the game. --Bluerock 19:50, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

CIA/Coldman planning.
I'm still having problems reconciling why the CIA would demote and exile Coldman if he didn't plan the parts relating to the Virtuous Mission. Namely, Peace Walker implies that EVA's debriefing may have been orchestrated by the CIA as part of their cover-up, which would imply that The Boss's revelation was probably a half-truth. Because of that, it seems pointless to exile Coldman to Central America if he only planned Operation Snake Eater and had absolutely no involvement in what happened in the Virtuous Mission or even any knowledge of what happened, since even if he squealed about the part relating to the legacy, it still wouldn't hurt the CIA in the long run since it was still slight misinformation. Besides which, going by Ocelot's call, the real reasons for both missions (at least real in terms of EVA's debriefing) were also already leaked to the KGB, anyways. There's also a few problems overall with assuming that Coldman was only involved in planning Operation Snake Eater. First, his enthusiasm when revealing that he planned that mission doesn't really sound like someone who namely did what they had to do to clear his name. If anything, it sounded more like someone who was perfectly willing to set up some aspects to get someone killed. There's also the assumption that the Virtuous Mission and Operation Snake Eater were two different missions for all involved. EVA's debriefing implies that the Virtuous Mission and Operation Snake Eater were one and the same for The Boss in regards to her mission. Plus, when EVA told who The Boss was to Snake in 2014, she only cited that they had her killed due to fearing her charisma, leaving out that she was killed basically to "clear" their names from an incident where Volgin launched a nuke and made it seem as though America did it as well as gain the legacy, or even that she faked defection. As much as I want to believe that Coldman had absolutely no involvement in the Virtuous Mission, the evidence seems to contradict that notion, I'm afraid. Weedle McHairybug 14:48, November 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know why they exiled him either; surely he wasn't the only one in the CIA who knew the truth of the Philosophers' Legacy? Takes a lot of people to organize such a complex operration. Maybe he just took the fall since he was the one in overall command? That point was left poorly explained in Peace Walker. --Bluerock 14:55, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that, had it been for preventing leaks, they already failed in that regard, seeing how Ocelot's call indicated that the KGB managed to find out about the true nature of both missions. Then again, going by what he said ("It's what the CIA does best. Either keep those in the know silent, or pack them off someplace where there's no one to listen to."), its probably because he refused to keep it secret with the threat of a possible leak, resulting in the CIA taking measures to prevent it. The CIA Director succeeding him also seemed to know, going by Ocelot's phone call and his final moments. And going by the amount of satisfaction he had in arranging for her death, as evidenced by his revealing his part in the mission, its unlikely that it just involved the Legacy. Normally, people who plan black ops/spy missions don't usually have a lot of glee about their blunder costing an agent's life under fake defection backfire, but he did express that emotion, which indicates that he might have at least planned for Volgin to blow up Sokolov's research facility. There are also some holes in The Boss's story, anyways: One, Volgin had earlier wiped out several anti-communist factions as well as regularly tortured and killed several Polish POWs. This stuff, not to mention the fact that he is currently working to dethrone Khrushchev, would imply that he actually would be the type to launch a nuke at something to start an international incident and thus have an excuse to go to war against America. There's also the fact that there was already a plant in Volgin's group, Ocelot, meaning her retrieving the legacy would have ended up unnecessary, anyways. Weedle McHairybug 15:09, November 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's not really ambiguous. Gene said that the man who planned The Boss's death and the mission in Grozny Grad also planned for Volgin to launch the nuke, hence Coldman is the man that Gene mentioned. However, if you really don't think that Coldman is the deviously cunning strategist, you should revamp Coldman's page to remove any reference to that. You are an administrator after all. --98.221.192.218 16:01, November 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * The fact that Gene makes such a claim without any other corroborating evidence in the entire series makes it quite ambiguous indeed (he was trying to sway Big Boss to join his side after all). Coldman's article details this claim, but neither states that it is factually correct, nor disputes it (the Tselinoyarsk nuking only, not the general planning of the mission). I believe this to be an acceptable middle ground due to the confusing nature of the continually retconned storyline. --Bluerock 18:17, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * If I recall correctly, didn't Ocelot say something to the CIA Director before assassinating him about "taking back what [the DCI] stole from [Ocelot and presumably Major Zero]" and "carrying on the spirit of the True Patriot [The Boss]?" Sure, the DCI ultimately turned out not to be the one who planned for The Boss to die from the start, but that statement alone at the very least supports that her death was planned from the beginning, and thus acts as something other than Gene's word that suggests it happened. Otherwise, there doesn't seem to be any reason why Ocelot would say something like that. It certainly wasn't the Legacy he was talking about, seeing how he arranged for the DCI to get the legacy and was also implied to be fully aware of the DCI's plans to utilize the legacy to revive the Philosophers himself. Weedle McHairybug 09:46, November 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't forget that EVA told Snake that the CIA feared The Boss' charisma so they had her eliminated. Forcing Volgin to launch the nuke allowed the CIA to have The Boss killed. Coldmn is clearly the deviously cunning strategist. It makes sense to me but Bluerock is an administrator now. I have to accept what he wants. --98.221.192.218 13:18, November 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * This isn't really about Coldman; as Director he would have had a hand in the events of the Virtuous Mission (The Boss's false defection to obtain the Legacy). Volgin wasn't forced to launch a nuke, though Gene claims that he was manipulated into doing so. These claims are never confirmed, making the whole "intended nuking" incident questionable.
 * As for the CIA wanting to kill the Boss from the beginning, Peace Walker tells us that they already had an intense dislike for her, backing up Big Mama's "charisma" story in MGS4. Following the Virtuous Mission, they took the opportunity to get rid of her, while still achieving their main objective of recovering the Legacy. Gene's story adds an extra layer of mystery to the ordeal, that remains unexplored as of now. The Wiki should reflect this rather than make its own conclusion.
 * Anyway, I do empathize with the fans who don't like unanswered questions, but that's more of an issue with the source material, rather than this site. --Bluerock 13:45, November 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey, I never said I hate this site. All I'm saying is I think Gene was telling the truth when he said the CIA manipulated Volgin to launch a nuke. I used the word "forced" because Gene said he did not commit "that terrible crime of his own will". To me, this is not an unanswered question. What is an unanswered question to me is what happened to Gary McGolden. I do wonder whether he was killed or went into hiding to avoid the fate of his "starving" neighbor. I wish Konami would solve this mystery but they probably forgot about Gary.--98.221.192.218 19:45, November 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * We're not likely to get any definite answers from Konami, so I wouldn't worry about these things too much to be honest. --Bluerock 20:08, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

Question about the end of Snake Eater.
Did the house in Alaska belong to Snake? If so, I'm surprised a CIA agent would not live near Langley, Virginia. Sorry if this was a stupid question. 98.221.192.218 18:30, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * No idea. The CIA presumably have safehouses everywhere. --Bluerock 18:55, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

The gas mask article.
What are chemical weapons? The Genome Soldiers that wore gas masks in the warhead room only held machine guns. They also definitely did not have tranquilizer shotguns. Snake still died if he got shot. --98.221.192.218 14:00, November 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * In this case, the chemical weapons are referring to the poison gas released in the warhead storage building during the Alert phase. Since Snake is not permitted to use heavy weapons fire in those areas, the developers of The Twin Snakes decided not to have the soldiers fire their rifles during an alert, unlike in the original game. I can't recall exactly what they used instead, whether they were tranq shotguns or not. --Bluerock 18:49, November 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Strange, I remember being hit by a few of their guns in The Twin Snakes. Weedle McHairybug 20:47, November 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * The shotguns are actually mentioned on the Wiki . As I said, I don't recall them myself from playing the game. --Bluerock 21:11, November 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * According to imfdb, they have regular FAMAS rifles with underbarrel M203 grenade launchers attached, loaded with non-lethal ring airfoil projectiles. I don't know how accurate this info is though. --Bluerock 21:18, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Did Huey Emmerich really die in 1997?
Weedle insists he did but that contradicts Emma's background. The Colonel AI stated she graduated from Oxford, hacked the NSA in 2000, joined them in 2005 and resigned in 2007. I doubt a nine year old would hack the NSA and join them at the age of fourteen. Then again, maybe I'm wrong. What do you think? --98.221.192.218 18:05, November 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Perhaps she was a child prodigy like Sunny, if that is the case. Hal was retconned to be a decade younger in Peace Walker so if the dates don't appear to make sense, that's down to the games. Assume good faith, before reverting another user's edits, rather than getting too worked up over it. --Bluerock 19:47, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Your Welcome
It was the least I could do. Just to let you know, I usually edit pages with spelling errors and stuff. I don't really create pages at all because I suck, trust me. Any information I know of that's missing, I'll add info in a heartbeat. Just not pages.

Hey, thanks! Sorry if the "MGSPW Sorrow" picture quality is low, i couldn't find a better way of capturing images of MGS gameplay on my PSP, i tried using RemoteJoy, so i could connect it to the computer and save the pictures in a higher quality by pressing print screen while playing, any ideas?

Sprite requests
Hi.

I remember you uploaded some sprites of Big Boss from the MSX2 version of Metal Gear. I was wondering if you could upload some sprites regarding the items in the same game (more specifically, the transmitter). If not, can you at least tell me where you got the sprites from so I could get them myself?

Also, if its not too much to ask, I'd like the image of Stillman's textbook entry (you know, that image that appears when Pliskin says "Kid, this is THE Bomb Disposal guy. Just crack open any bomb making textbook and you'll see his name in it.") uploaded as well, or at least the knowledge of where to find them online. Weedle McHairybug 11:35, December 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I can upload that Stillman pic. As for the sprites, I'll look into it. --Bluerock 11:41, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. And thanks for uploading the Stillman pic. Weedle McHairybug 12:07, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * So how's the search coming towards the sprites on your end? I found sprite sheets for Metal Gear, but not individual sprites for the items/transmitter. Weedle McHairybug 03:12, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I have also found some sprite sheets, so I am going to isolate some of them later on today, so they can be uploaded individually. --Bluerock 08:55, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Finished your edits?
Hi

I've seen your edits on the Character Infobox template. The problem is that I've just edited quite a lot of pages where I added the death place and date of a character. But after your edits I have to change them again.

When are you going to finish your edits so that all my edits won't be mixed up?

2.220.61.71 13:24, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Death places
Hi. I've seen on pages like Kazuhira Miller that you changed the death places to a more shorter version. I think that the version I did was better. On that page I wrote in the death place: At his home (Alaska) but you just wrote Alaska. Also I've seen you did the same on Emma Emmerich.

I think this shorten version that you wrote is not enough detailed and request the previous version to be used on pages.2.220.61.71 13:42, December 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, the article will give these further details in the main biographies. The infobox is only meant to serve as a brief summary. Narrowing it down to a specific room/building is a bit too much. --Bluerock 13:45, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Uh, no!
Three are in the hallway corridor. Two are lying on the floor. The third is lying on the door. I know that that Vamp killed the four Navy Seals and the captain in the room. One of them managed to shoot hundreds of rounds without reloading. XD

When he said "five today", I assumed he meant the people whose blood he sucked, not the amount of people he killed. Vamp didn't have time to suck the blood of three of the Navy Seals in the room. Also, Snake Tales didn't change the hallway in "Dead's Man Whisper". I assumed that was more confirmation that Vamp killed them in the Plant Chapter.

Anyway, fine. You were right. I was wrong. Fortune killed the Navy Seals in the hallway. I apologize. I'm certain Vamp killed the Navy Captain though. His throat and wrists were slit. 98.221.192.218 14:47, December 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, three outside, four inside, my mistake. My point was, it isn't impossible that Fortune could have killed some, whether in Strut B or not (it isn't clear where the SEALs were ambushed, if I recall correctly). --Bluerock 15:04, December 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * You were right. I was wrong. Fortune killed the Navy Seals in the hallway.


 * You misunderstand. It's a possibility, nothing more. Therefore, one cannot say anything concrete in the articles either way, whether it be you or Weedle. I wasn't disputing your theory, I was just explaining how you could be incorrect in that Vamp definitely killed them all. --Bluerock 16:34, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Please let me ask you several more questions.
To avoid more edit wars with Weedle and you, I want to ask you six questions since I guess I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to the games.

1: What did Fatman mean when he said "that crock died a dishonorable death three months ago."?

2: Did the Navy Seal mean ransom money when he said "easy money"? Weedle thought that was what he meant.

3: If EVA knew Ocelot was faking being possessed, why did she sacrifice all of her "children" instead of giving up Big Boss' body? That's a big thing that me and Weedle disagree with. To me, it doesn't make sense for both sides to slaughter each other if they were working together all along.

4: When the Colonel AI said that "they've got Rose. Rose is being held in the holds", did he mean that the Sons of Liberty held her? That's what Weedle thought he meant. I assumed the Colonel AI meant that the Patriots were holding her due to Snake saying that there was no way that the Colonel AI could kidnap Rose.

5: Was Ocelot talking to Johnson at the end of the Tanker Chapter? You said that he was due to Ocelot calling the person "Mr. President". I assumed that he was talking to the Patriots AI since they are the "real" president. Then again, maybe I'm wrong as usual.

6. What did Stillman mean when he said the Fatman was able to "subdue" his former companions when he conducted surprise raids?

Please answer these questions when you have time. Thanks!--98.221.192.218 15:03, December 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I would much rather disagreements between users be discussed openly on talk pages, rather than attempting to argue back and forth through limited-character edit reversions. As a general rule, I would suggest this be done on the second edit reversion, and articles be left as they are until a resolution is found, to avoid getting too worked up over these little things.


 * I will give you my views on your questions, though I doubt most of them are "answers" as such.


 * 1: To me, this sounds like the church bombing (assuming that's when it took place) where Stillman failed in his bomb disposal work and retired out of shame/injury.


 * Actually, the church bombing took place in 2004. Anyway, some guy at Gamefaqs said "Fatman meant that when Dead Cell was wiped out (6 months earlier), Stillman was as good as dead. From Fatman's point of view, that event marked the beginning of the preparation for the plant where Stillman was going to die." .--98.221.192.253 13:30, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * :::Well, Fatman was most certainly dying when he said that (having received a fatal wound near the heart). Weedle McHairybug 15:22, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * ::::What are you talking about? Fatman said that before Raiden shot him. --98.221.192.253 18:27, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * :::::Actually, I was referring to Fatman's line of "Go ahead, shoot, I'm already dead." Weedle McHairybug 18:47, December 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * 2: "Easy money" is an expression. You corrected Weedle on this, so there's nothing more to discuss really.


 * 3: In MGS4, Big Boss's revelation of EVA and Ocelot working together is not made entirely clear, in regards to the extent of their collaboration. I think it is safe to say she was uninvolved with Ocelot's transformation into Liquid, though the confusion is understandable.


 * 4: "They've got Rose" does sound like he's speaking about the terrorists (wouldn't he have said "we've got Rose,") though you could argue that he's talking about the Patriots given Snake's comments. It isn't really clear.


 * 5: As I've said before, this is another thing made deliberately unclear in the game (the individual's identity, not his employment by the Patriots) and there is no answer. It might be Johnson, or it might not be, but the possibility is there.


 * 6: You'll have to direct me to a quote/cutscene, as I don't recall right now.
 * EDIT: Never mind, I found the quote; Having been ousted from NEST, he was picked up by Dead Cell, which was already becoming notorious for being a motley crew of sorts. It seems that it was through surprise attack maneuvers later conducted by Dead Cell that Fatman completely subdued his former companions from NEST. While being the most peculiar individual among my students, he was also the most talented.
 * Given the context, the word "subdue" looks like its being used in the sense that he thwarted NEST's attempts during Dead Cell's attack maneuvers. He "overcame" NEST by surpassing their skills and outwitted them during the exercises.


 * It's often not a case of "this or that" or "right and wrong"; sometimes either is possible. The trick is to make things like this as open to interpretation as the games do, when it comes to relaying plot information, especially when speaking in-universe. The "Behind the scenes" section is the best place to discuss contradictions, plot holes, ambiguities, etc. to make the articles as informative as possible to the reader. Don't let it spoil your own enjoyment of the games' storyline. --Bluerock 15:55, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Solid Snake's fate
I'm sure nobody going to say it but I will. If Metal Gear Rising Revengeance.

Takes place after MGS4 Then we can assume Solid Snake is already dead. Unless they found away to slow down his

aging process. I don't think he will appear in this game. I mean didn't Naomi say a half a year?

Do you agree?

The half a year thing was in reference to the mutating strand of FOXDIE, not his accelerated aging, although given that he at best has a full year, that probably doesn't really matter. Weedle McHairybug 02:34, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

I'm a little confused here. So how long does he has to live? A year or longer?


 * More like a year or shorter. Weedle McHairybug 03:57, December 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I see. Well the point is if this game does takes place several years after MGS4 then we can safely assume that Solid Snake most likely be dead. And revengeance isn't even a real word.
 * Seriously do they just pull names out of nowhere? And I thought Destrucity was bad.
 * Actually, revengeance is a real word, albeit one that isn't used in day to day conversation. Weedle McHairybug 04:11, December 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * Oh. Sorry.


 * Yes, he would be dead by the time of Revengeance, but if not, the story will have little, if anything, to do with Solid Snake anyway. --Bluerock 08:54, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

MGS4 South America.
Hi. I was wondering if you could upload pics for the various areas in South America from MGS4. Weedle McHairybug 01:39, January 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * I added a pic of the research lab that I took in-game. I'll add some more to the other pages in the coming days. I also renamed a few of the more generic named articles to be more specific (while leaving those of the unique locations), akin to the Middle East articles. --Bluerock 21:56, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Oh, and we might need a screenshot of that fleet MSF was commanding in the Comm Tower monitoring room cutscene. Maybe also a screenshot of that computer screen in the scene where Ocelot is reporting to Solidus about GW going haywire. Weedle McHairybug 17:53, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Screenshot requests.
Hi. I think we might need a few screenshots for the wiki. One in particular are the screenshots relating to that fleet the MSF used to go to Nicaragua in the Comm Tower Monitoring Room cutscene. Another one would be the computer monitor showing the progress of Emma's worm cluster that is shown when Ocelot reports to Solidus that GW's going haywire. I asked of it before, but I wasn't sure if you saw it. Weedle McHairybug 20:20, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry I didn't respond earlier. I'll keep an eye out for them. --Bluerock 20:49, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Found the worm cluster image, but you will probably need to ask someone who can take PSP screenshots for the MSF pic. --Bluerock 21:51, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Could you please tell Weedle to stop being unreasonable?
The intro of the Tanker chapter clearly shows Snake throwing his cigarette on the street. I provided proof. However, Weedle insists that Snake threw the cigarette on the bridge. Here's the proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFULMEAJcxY&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL9D11D4CB881C6600

The river is on his left side. He threw the cigarette on his right side. Please find a way to reword it like you always do. --68.45.60.20 17:54, January 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Upon the second edit reversion, you both ideally should have discussed the issue in full on the talk page. It's hard to get either argument across through the limited character edit comments.
 * The cutscene should be taken as the primary source of information, but if Kojima's comments are contradictory, perhaps a note can be made in "Behind the scenes." I'm not overly familiar with the GW Bridge's construction, but could it have fallen into the bay via a gap between the sidewalk and road, or a grate? When I have time, I will check the Document of MGS2 to see if it shows where the cigarette actually falls (you can often alter the camera angle during cutscenes). For now, leave the page as it is.
 * --Bluerock 09:30, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, you do that, and I sincerely admit that this mess was also partially my fault as well. Also, I might want to ask when the wikia is going to send emails regarding recent edits? I have to ask because they seemed to stop coming in a while ago, since September 14th, as a matter of fact. If they can't answer that, can they at least explain why they're currently stopping right now? Also, if you have the Walkman t-shirt, I think you might need to take a photograph of its ingame appearance and add it to the wiki. I'd do it myself, but the wi-fi's so bad in my area that trying to even log in without timing out is not worth the effort and I tried multiple times to no avail. If not, well, I do have the codes for it. Weedle McHairybug 10:51, January 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * I checked the Document, and the cigarette actually lands on the footpath that Snake is walking on. There is a gap between the railings of both the road and the path, but it appears to be a gutter and doesn't lead directly down to the water. I think it's safe to assume Kojima just meant the Hudson Bay area in general, rather than the actual river itself.
 * I don't know about the email thing, I'll have to look into it more. Perhaps you just need to recheck you're email settings, maybe they reverted to a default setting during an update to the Wiki.
 * As for the Walkman T-Shirt, I don't think I have it so can't get an image, but will look around for it if I get some time.
 * --Bluerock 17:46, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * So I guess Otacon lied, then? Okay, I guess that's that. Anyways, about the email settings, they're not on default. I know because I just checked. I did update it so it lists my gender, though. Also, I searched Bing and Google Images for the Walkman t-shirt, and its not present on either of those lists. I did find a Youtube video relating to the camos that contained it, but the problem is that part of the menu is on it, and its also spinning. However, I do have the passcode for it (I got the Walkman specifically for the code, same deal for HORI as well as the entertainment pack, although I also plan to use the PSP to do COOPS with my dad), and in case the use of the code by you renders me unable to use it, I'll wait until I've exhausted all options with wi-fi before lending it. Weedle McHairybug 18:31, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * He didn't lie. It's just another goof like Strut H having a heliport. Otacon's conversation also breaks the fourth wall. How could Otacon even see Snake throw the cigarette? I don't think Philanthropy has satelittes. --68.45.60.20 19:26, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

I forgot about Otacon's dialogue, to be honest. It's possible the butt did fall into the water via the gap between the railings, as the player is not intended to see the bridge model or cutscene in such detail (the butt actually disappears after landing). Both ideas seem plausible, but it doesn't really matter, since Kojima's point was about Snake littering in general, not so much where he did it. As for Otacon "seeing" him do it, this is a common fourth wall break throughout the series; or maybe he viewed Snake's progress from the riverside, since he rescued him by boat later on, who knows? --Bluerock 08:48, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

Re: New skin
Hey Bluerock, sorry it took me a few days. Didn't see the message until about two hours ago. Anyway, it seems the issue was because the button was to close to the wikia bar at the top of the page. I've come up with an easy fix. Go to MediaWiki:Wikia.css and find the section titled

/* Move Random Page and Wiki Activity buttons up */

it's just below

/* NAVIGATION MENU END */ /* ******************* */

The current contents of the section is;

.WikiHeader .buttons { bottom: +55px; width: 100px; right:1px; }

Change it to;

.WikiHeader .buttons { bottom: +45px; width: 107px; right:-1px; }

This should fix everything. After you save the edit you'll probably have to refresh the page once or twice before you see the results.--Soul reaper 14:07, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Did Solidus have a vice president?
I'm asking you because Johnson's talk page has been locked for a year and a half. Raiden and Johnson mention a presidential election. A vice president doesn't need a presidential election to become president. Saikyo Mog 14:42, January 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * The problem is that Johnson pretty much took Solidus' place after the latter "resigned." When a president resigns and/or dies of varying causes while in office, there is a case of selection for becoming the next president, with the Vice President usually being the immediate successor to fill out the president's remaining term. When Nixon was forced into resignation, his Vice President, Gerald Ford, came into office immediately thereafter. Most likely, the election alluded to earlier by Raiden and Johnson was actually the reelection. Weedle McHairybug 15:04, January 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Got it. --Saikyo Mog 18:38, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

A problem with "my preferences"
Hi, Bluerock.

It's been a while that I can't change my avatar. Because the appearance edition section of my account has just gone! I can't see it in my preferences. Would you please help me fix the problem? Thanks --Hoe Hunter 12:33, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

So what did cause Vamp's ability to jump high, run fast, swim in the life reaction tank, turn orange and walk on water in 2009?
I always assumed that the Van Der Waals allowed him to do the latter. It made him walk that pillar and then Snake said that Vamp didn't have supernatural powers after that conversation with Otacon. --68.45.60.20 17:31, January 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Who knows? At least it preserves some of the mystery to his character. --Bluerock 17:43, January 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry...just asking. 68.45.60.20 19:18, January 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * By "who knows" I meant that anything is possible. No offence intended. --Bluerock 20:07, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Flame troop image request.
Hi.

I noticed that you were replacing the images for the Soviet officers, engineers, and scientists with more hi-quality images (I'm guessing taken in-game). I basically have a favor to ask: Can you upload a similar hi-quality screenshot of the flame troops on Krasnogorje? I'm asking because I checked Google images, and other than the current image on the wiki, no images exist of it. Plus, my regular computer is currently at the shop undergoing repairs, with my using the laptop, which uses the AVG secure search as its primary search engine which doesn't have images to search, and Bing is unavailable by consequence. My regular computer should be back tomorrow. Weedle McHairybug 01:12, January 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll try and locate one. The one we have at the moment isn't too bad, but the ones on the other pages were pretty terrible. --Bluerock

I always assumed he caused the rain storms.
Sorry, my mistake. --Purunyuu 18:59, January 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Likewise, concerning Snake killing Volgin. I was remembering the Boss battle more than the story. --Bluerock 19:03, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Source code option is gone.
Hey, Bluerock.

The source code option seems to be gone from this site. Can you look into where it's gone, and if it can be found, can you reinstate it? I can't make much edits without it. Weedle McHairybug 22:26, February 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Assuming you're the one who fixed the source code thing, thanks. If not, well, it's back now.


 * BTW, can you upload a screenshot of Cecile drinking from the Mate Tea that Snake gave her in Peace Walker (or at least Snake handing it over to her)? Seeing how there is no model viewer for the item in Peace Walker, the fact that the item sprites for it probably would not be good enough for the page article, and the in-game design for the Mate is a blue cardboard box, Cecile drinking from it/Snake handing it to her is the closest we can get to a picture that focuses on the Mate Tea outside of pictures that obviously were not from the game. Weedle McHairybug 02:41, February 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll look out for that pic. I don't know what the issue was you were having, but glad to see it's been sorted now. I always edit in source text as the visual editor annoys me. --Bluerock 08:45, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for uploading the pic, BTW. Weedle McHairybug 19:22, February 2, 2012 (UTC)

Otacon page.
Hey.

I tried to add in a discussion to the talk page to the Hal Emmerich article prior to it being closed. Unfortunately, it didn't seem to stop the edit wars. While I'll admit I'm just as guilty of letting it continue, I did try to bring it to the talk page. Weedle McHairybug 14:44, February 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know that you initiated a dialogue, but the other user didn't respond and still hasn't. I couldn't actually see what the argument was even about so it seemed ridiculous to let it carry on. --Bluerock 15:04, February 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, forgive me for being slow. What does it mean to go "underground"? I know going "into hiding" basically means changing a name, physical appearance, leaving the state or country, and in the case of Osama Bin Laden, rarely leaving the mansion he lived in. I know Mona Simpson went into hiding. As Homer Simpson said, she was on the run from the law. But Snake faked his death. That doesn't really count as hiding. Then again, maybe I'm wrong.--68.45.60.20 00:56, February 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * You can't fake one's death without hiding. If you're visible, that would negate the whole idea. "Going underground" means either going into hiding, or operating outside the mainstream, as Solidus Snake did after MGS1, and Dr. Madnar did during MGS4, respectively. --Bluerock 01:31, February 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Got it. --68.45.60.20 14:22, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Metal Gear Online equipment and graduation speeches among others.
Hi.

I don't know if you've played Metal Gear Online, but considering the closing down of the game very soon, if you've played the game, can you please upload all the accessories equipment from Metal Gear Online, the Graduation Speeches from Metal Gear Online that haven't been uploaded yet, and pretty much anything from Metal Gear Online that hasn't been uploaded yet onto the Wiki? Also, can you also expand on the GENE, SCENE, and MEME maps from Online? I'll take care of the Default maps. Weedle McHairybug 12:50, February 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, Bluerock, I kinda need the info posted soon, if not now. I get troubled with lack of responses. Seeing how we are getting pretty close to it being closed down, we need to complete those articles really soon, if not now. Weedle McHairybug 16:56, February 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I'm not really sure how much info I could add that can't be found elsewhere on the internet. I haven't played MGO for a very long time (due to the terrible lag). --Bluerock 18:37, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

Ocelot page
Hey, sorry that the Ocelot page exploded. The Preview didn't work, and the Publish button took me to another mysterious, empty page, which then redirected me to the destroyed article. I can't explain what the heck happened.

As I normally do, I was just editing grammar (the wiki has a lot of shifting tenses and run-on sentences) and unclear points, so if there is any state before that where my edits are intact, that would be great, but there's no Big Loss if it's just back to how it was before. I'd like to fix a few of them again, but I'm not sure I want to square off against the Publish button once more. Not right now.