Board Thread:Metal Gear Solid V/@comment-4580547-20150920150313/@comment-4580547-20150921154002

Paranoid Donkey wrote: Trondra04 wrote:

I highly doubt Quiet knew about Venom, I also lost her before the end. However, I don't agree that she was in love with Big Boss, in the moments like the rain scene and the "hiding behind the rock" scene at the end, I'd like to think those were moments of old Venom shining through the hypnosis. The Big Boss we knew was really awkward around women come MGS3 and he would never be part of a girly splash battle! So, I do believe that Quiet, if she did fall in love, fell for Venom and not Big Boss. I really like this idea. Thinking back on it now, I feel so profoundly sorry for Venom Snake, being used as nothing more than a tool for Big Boss to become an international tyrant. For a guy whose entire philosophy revolved around soldiers not being used [as tools of the government] what he, Zero and Ocelot did to Venom is abhorrent. Big Boss became a complete hypocrite, and it's presumptuous as hell for Ocelot to say "it's what [Venom] would want".

If we submit to the idea of Venom Snake shining through as a person sometimes, it also makes the cut Mission 51 make a lot more sense. When Snake thinks he has killed Eli, he is horrified and upset whereas as recently as the Truth tapes, the real Big Boss speaks about David and Eli with disgust.

As for Venom and Quiet, I think I read somewhere (maybe the strategy guide, maybe somewhere else) that Quiet doesn't actually LOVE Venom, just have a respect for him. I think that's not necessarily the case when you factor in the infamous rain scene and Mission 45.

And guys, I feel your phantom pain. I couldn't believe that Quiet wasn't in my ACC anymore. I think that Kojima made a very powerful moment have incredible staying power by taking her away from us, and I think that getting her back in any capacity undoes that. I have never read a more like-minded statement in all the internet! I fully agree that Venom was nothing but a victim to the real Big Boss's hypocrisy which is hugely counterproductive to Kojima's intended story as Venom was supposed to be the intended "villainous" Big Boss. I agree, Ocelot's "it's what he wanted" statement made me despise him as a character, if Venom is supposed to be you, the player, sure I would've had loyalty to Big Boss but they could've at least asked first! Big Boss, Ocelot and even Miller to some extent wanted to take your face, memories and legacy away from you and I feel my character would've defected from Big Boss's Outer Heaven plan in revenge and take Diamond Dogs as his own, along with Miller.

I only recently watched the 51st mission cutscenes and that made a lot of sense, the Big Boss we know through the "Truth" tapes wouldn't have given a damn that he shot Eli but Venom was mortified, showing he was even a better person in general compared to Big Boss!

I, once again, have to agree! Kojima will say they were never in love but the rain scene and mission 45 throw that out the window! I really see Quiet as Venom's EVA and the whole "shining through the hypnosis" idea really makes sense when you consider that Venom was in the minority of actually liking and trusting Quiet compared to Miller and the other Diamond Dogs (Ocelot is an exception but he trusted Quiet for different reasons).

Finally, I agree once more! Quiet's loss hit me hard and I really miss all the little animations she goes through in the ACC (the one where she walks up and smiles at you is my favourite). But her los is a huge factor in the story and the phantom pain you get with her loss would be for nothing if you just got her back one day.

Thank you, your opinions made my day!