Thread:Doulomb/@comment-34388024-20180118210136/@comment-1672596-20180118215010

KROWE90 wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote: Actually, KROWE90, Portable Ops IS canon, considering that MGS4 specifically included its events in the various flashback scenes and even an in-game timeline featured Portable Ops in there. If it truly weren't canon, it wouldn't be acknowledged at all, not even in the flashbacks. Think how Snake's Revenge is not acknowledged at all.

Now, that being said, Rising's canonicity IS debatable, and we don't even need Kojima's contradictory word to know that Survive ain't canon. Portable Ops WAS canon until Peace Walker came out. It isn't anymore. MGSV sealed the deal completely. And using flashbacks and Snake's Revenge as an excuse doesn't work. Snake infiltrating Galuade was mentioned in a MGS4 gun description. Yet, Ghost Babel is obviously not canon.

Also, the Database is obviously outdated so it's not reliable anymore. Again, Portable Ops WAS canon until Peace Walker came out. It isn't anymore. Get over it. Your life won't end just because your beloved game isn't canon. And stop joining conversations you weren't involved in.

Anyway, thanks for your time, Bluerock. I'm not concerned for whether my life will end, actually. I'm just stating that Portable Ops is canon. And believe me, he would have redone some scenes in MGS4 to specifically erase any trace of its existence if he wanted it non-canon, like George Lucas did with the original trilogy, and even order massive recalls of all old games. And just as an FYI, he never denounced it as non-canon despite twice having the opportunity to give a firm answer (and since he made it clear under no uncertain terms he hated the NES version of Metal Gear, he most certainly is capable of giving a very explicit "no" in regards to Portable Ops' canonicity). Heck, even the official site's timeline back when it was still up as late as 2013 had Portable Ops explicitly listed as a canonical entry event alongside the MSX2 games.

And there's a massive difference between the gun descriptions in MGS4 and actual flashbacks scenes that are directly tied to the story. Besides, by your logic, Solid Snake encountering Liquid Ocelot during MGS2 is no longer canon simply because Snake during the mission briefing for Act 1 had him acting all unfamiliar with Liquid Ocelot.