User talk:Bluerock

Hi, welcome to the Metal Gear Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Metal Gear Acid page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Fantomas (Talk) 14:29, September 30, 2009

EU soldiers.
Hi.

I'm probably going to be out of pocket due to schoolwork, so because of that as well as some difficulty with Microsoft Paint, I'm probably gonna let you do the EU soldier related stuff. Here's the Youtube video I found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQi1csQDXIs

Probably the only thing missing is the back to Portugal.

Weedle McHairybug 10:44, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll look into when I have time. --Bluerock 13:04, February 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, finally got round to uploading some new versions of those pics. --Bluerock 13:36, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Keep up the good work. Weedle McHairybug 13:57, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Greetings from Technobliterator
Hi there, I'd just like to contact you as an admin of the Metal Gear wiki, and express my interests in joining. I've also contacted Fantomas but he seemed less active than you.

I'm Technobliterator. I'm an experienced member of Wikia, an administrator on SporeWiki and a frequent contributor on Jak and Daxter wiki, and I know how pretty much everything works, as well as having knowledge on wiki coding and the like. I'd just like to ask, as you seemed the only active administrator, what work is there to do around here? I'm realy interested in the Metal Gear Series and have some knowledge on it, though fixing pages and designing page layouts, tables, infoboxes and naboxes are my strongpoints. Can you get back to me with a possible to-do list and suggestions? Also, if you want, I could demo you some new templates & codes that may interest you.Technobliterator 16:32, February 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, looks like that page needs a lot of attention. I'll definately work on it, but in order to make the table not hang, using the current table code is not the best idea. I've got a solution, however, if you're willing to edit the wiki's MediaWiki:Common.css to add a table code similar to w:c:jakanddaxter:Jak 3 trophies' tables.

.va-table { border: 1px solid #AAA; box-shadow: 2px 2px 2px #AAA; -moz-box-shadow: 2px 2px 2px #AAA; -webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 2px #AAA; empty-cells: show; font-size: 11px; line-height: 16px; margin-bottom: 5px; } .va-table td, .va-table th { border: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 1px 2px; } .va-table tr { background: #FFF59C; } .va-table th { background: #F6B024; font-weight: bold; } .va-table td { background: transparent; } /* Adapting lists & paragraphs to altered line-height */ .va-table ul, .va-table ol, .va-table p { line-height: 16px; margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0; } .va-table ul, .va-table ol { margin-left: 20px; } .va-table ul + p, .va-table ul + ol, .va-table ul + ul, .va-table ol + p, .va-table ol + ol, .va-table ol + ul, .va-table p + p, .va-table p + ol, .va-table p + ul { margin-top: 5px; } /* Tables with specific vertical alignment for cells */ .va-table-top td { vertical-align: top; } .va-table-middle td { vertical-align: middle; } .va-table-bottom td { vertical-align: bottom; } /* Tables with specific horizontal alignment for cells */ .va-table-center td { text-align: center ; } .va-table-left td { text-align: left; } .va-table-right td { text-align: right; } /* Tables which are full width in Oasis */ .va-table-full { width: 660px; } /* Tables in which the first column starts with an icon */ .va-table-icon tr td:first-child { padding-left: 18px; text-indent: -18px; }
 * The table I've linked to uses this code in the MediaWiki:Common.css, and could be implemented here with obvious colour changes (and possibly changing the idea from .va-table 'id' to anything you chose; metalgear-table?). This could be a solution to Metal Gear Online's equipment page, and could provide neater and better tables. Hope this helped; if this is implemented, then I'll start work immediately, if not I'm more than happy to see if I can use the current wikitable code to make it work.--Technobliterator 18:29, February 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh no, nothing would be removed or changed. Basically, all it'd mean would be that if I created a table and gave the table the id of ".va-table", then the table would look like this one. As for adding it, just copy paste this code (possible adding somethnig like /* ######## TABLES ######## /* so you can remember it) and change the HTML colours accordingly (#FFF59C and the like wouldn't fit Metal Gear colours). Simple as that, and nothing else will be effected. From there I can code up all tables to look better, this one to begin with as it looks like it needs quite a bit of work.--Technobliterator 21:15, February 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem :) http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_colors.asp This site should help you.--Technobliterator 22:49, February 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Allright, I've done th first table on Metal Gear Online equipment, but the code's not working for some reason, when I input "mgs-table". Are you sure the .css you replacd all "va-table" with "mgs-table"?--Technobliterator 17:51, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * My apologies, it was my mistake not yours! Anyway yeah, I've done the table now for one section, nd I'll do the others soon as I'm available.--Technobliterator 20:19, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

The soldiers in Dead Man Whispers.
Who are they supposed to be anyway? Russian mercenaries? They have Russian accents. 98.221.96.37 18:11, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure without going back and reading the text during the interludes. They reuse the Russian speech from the main game, so I don't know whether this should be a true indication of what nationality these different characters are. --Bluerock 20:27, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * The text simply calls them "a team under his command". I wasn't sure whether they were also Navy Seals, Russian mercenaries, Russian military or some other American special forces team. It's strange that the writers didn't elaborate on who those soldiers were. By the way, why does Omega Fighter always use his IP address to remove certain edits in the Outer Heaven Uprising page instead of his account? It doesn't make sense. He doesn't even provide an explanation for why he removes certain edits.--98.221.96.37 21:42, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with Bluerock, the soldiers are just reused from the main game because of the low production/development value, hence the Russian accents are just incidental and not relevant. In terms of the story, I don't think it would make sense for Russian soldiers to be involved in a US military training exercise. If they were Russian, then their background and reasons for being involved would have been elborated. Liendax 22:18, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, since the source doesn't elaborate on it, I would say the text as it was will suffice. As for Omega, I'm not quite sure; I have undone some of his edits when they were worded badly, and said so in edit comments. It's nothing personal, but maybe he feels some kind of prejudice from myself, so by not using his username, he might feel I will ignore it. He just needs to communicate a little more, but I would advise that you don't antagonize him over it. --Bluerock 22:26, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, I guess they were some American special forces team. --98.221.96.37 18:22, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't mind if you stay logged in as "Liendax", you know. Might as well have your own user account. --Bluerock 18:38, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not Liendax. --98.221.96.37 18:56, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you say so ;) Wouldn't be a bad idea to make an account though. --Bluerock 19:52, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, I'm Liendax! They could have been Special forces or even mercenaries. But this is all speculative and there's no way to confirm it, so the text is fine as it is. I agree with Bluerock, you should create an account, it's a good way to keep track of your contributions and to communicate with other users. Happy editing! Liendax 20:08, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

MGO equipment & more work
All right, I've now done Metal Gear Online equipment page, apparently with the help of Weedle. The only issues that seem to remain are the Color/Cost thing (perhaps there could be a better way of organizing that?), and that the table code doesn't display colours or the desired text font, although that could well be caching issues (wikia's servers are slow), so if it doesn't work by a few days time then we'd just contact wikia staff. Anyway, for now, do you have anything else that I could work on?--Technobliterator 11:50, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * By the looks of things, the table was copied from wikipedia's old tracklist tables before the new table was created. I'm not much of a fan of that; the coding is incredibly complicated, and while I'd be able to code it with no problem, I don't know how well other users would be, and of course simpler coding is always better. If the caching problems are sorted, then I think the mgs-table would be a better option., although that's just my opinion. The mgs-table also allows for a different text font to make it smaller yet still readable, as seen on the page I linked to, but due to caching problems it's currently not showing, nor are the colours.--Technobliterator 13:32, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

MGS4 novelization
Hi.

Remember when I said that I'd try to find the MGS4 novelization and attempt to translate it when I mentioned that a user mentioned that novelization?

Well, I'll follow through with finding the MGS4, but not necessarily translate it, as it won't be necessary as its coming state-side on June 19th of this year.

Weedle McHairybug 01:11, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'd heard it was getting an English language release. --Bluerock 01:53, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Jennifer
I didn't want to speculate. If she was the resistance fighter from Metal Gear, I'm sure it would have been pointed out in Sons of Liberty, Snake Tales and the Database. --68.45.180.34 20:51, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would have, but the two are detailed on the same page, so it's just for clarification. --Bluerock 21:37, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Standard layouts
Hi, it's Technobliterator again. As I've still nothing to do, I'd like to propse an idea: using standard page layouts. What I mean by this, is that there'd be specific layouts that all pages in a category would follow, for characters, vehicles, weapons, and the like. This way people would know exactly what to write on new pages, and the pages would be more organised. As for what I'm propsing, User:Technobliterator/Sandbox contains my first proposition for a character layout. What do you think?--Technobliterator 16:19, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's great to hear; I'm more than happy to devote time to it and possibly create some more standard layouts, and I know just how they could be implemented into standard help & guidelines pages. what do you think of the prototype standard layout I created on my sandbox page? I think we should follow this, but under ==Characteristics== subheaders we could add more, for example Revolver Ocelot could have ===Liquid's Arm=== and Raiden could have ===Cyborg Ninja=== . I'll get one up for vehicles and weapons after the character one has been finalized. So what do you think?--Technobliterator 16:47, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * All right, here's my response:
 * That's probably a better format, yes, we should use that instead. Or, rather than "in [game]", how about "during [event/incident]"?
 * I should have mentioend that; 'Early life', 'Career' definitely, maybe 'pre-[Event/incident]'? Although maybe the former two would be better options.
 * Scrapping trivia? I see what you mean. So it'd go into behind the scenes, notes, etc? That seems fair enough, works for me.
 * Main headings? Well, if this was another wiki I'd normally vote against that idea, but looking at the Metal Gear Wiki many galleries need to be split into subsections, and if that's the case then havng gallery as a subheader would be a poorer layout, so I'm fine with keeping gallery as a main heading. As for notes and references...if gallery's a main header, then notes and references should be too, so I'm fine with that.
 * I think that's all I've got for now, too. Forum? Also, is there any way to talk to you through non-Wikia means (like, do you have a Steam account, IRC, MSN, etc)? Does Metal Gear Wiki have an IRC channel that you're regularly on? Because I've found that I get more things done and decided through non-Wikia communication; yes there's now Special:Chat for that, but Metal Gear wiki doesn't have it enabled.--Technobliterator 21:51, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Activating chat wouldn't be a bad idea, the only thing I'm concerned about is knowing when you'll be online or not, which is why I prefer using Steam. I'd trial run it for a week or so and then close it if there's any problems with it.--Technobliterator 21:17, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Since you didn't return online from that discussion, I've added a link to Special:Chat on the main page, although I do think that the wiki navigation topbar would be a better palec to add this (maybe under the Community section?) However I'd also say that I think Metal Gear Wiki should upgrade to the newer wiki navigation, if it wouldn't break the current coding, this is because the newernavigation imo looks better, is smoother to use and it can also contain more links (it can contain sub-sub links, for example)--Technobliterator 17:11, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Radio images Snake Eater.
Hi.

I was wondering if you could upload the images that are included on the radio in various calls in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, such as the food and medicinal herbs when Para-Medic (or in the case of Life Medicine, Para-Medic and Sigint) is called, or the various weapons/NPC images accompanying the calls and other things, as well as the images of the support group (either normally accessed or gained by contacting them multiple times) and stuff like that. Weedle McHairybug 08:37, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Template:Multiple image
Hi, Bluerock. Would you please tell me how to make a Template:Multiple image like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Multiple_image on this wikia? Thanks--Hoe Hunter 13:28, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

FOX Engine or Fox Engine
Hi. "Fox" is the name for an animal, I don't think that it's suitable for a videogame engine trademark. Do you agree with me that we must rename the article to "FOX Engine"? --Hoe Hunter 20:01, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

I think it must be named "FOX ENGINE" and that goes about TRANSFARRING, too, not "Transfarring" (people may think that it's written mistakenly in this way). --Hoe Hunter 20:13, March 13, 2012 (UTC) (notice the trademarks in the images)

Re: New Skin
Hey Bluerock, I'd like to help anyway I can but I have not seen any changes in Wikia's layout on this, or any other wiki. If you could post a screenshot of what you're seeing that could give us a starting point. I'll try to help as best I can but I no longer have as much time to do things on here due to more real world commitments.--Soul reaper 13:17, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

There's no problem with using images from the MGS4 instruction booklet, right?


 * I'd be glad to help with the chat thing. Do you know any other wikis that have it on the front page? Looking at some examples could help. I also want to try and tidy up the navigation menu a little but I don't have access to the CSS. Since wikia forced the new design on us, the nav menu is pretty, unsightly.--Soul reaper 09:42, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

RE: MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation
Basically, editing the page requires you t preview it before you can publish; click preview and then you cna pbulish it from there.Technobliterator 20:47, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Watermarks
Hi, Bluerock. Do you know how to remove watermarks from images, for example a JPG file? Thanks. --Hoe Hunter 02:41, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome! ^^
Thanks man, appreciate it. Anything that needs doing? TidusTehSacrificer357 11:35, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, cool. What do you think was the best part about MGS3? 01:24, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. The Kerotans added a little silliness to it too :P

Spinoffs never work out well, do they? Look at Kingdom Hearts. 06:01, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

hey im a new user here i have been on here on and off and i am a MGS fan to but i only have MGS4 and Littlebigplanet (which has a Metal Gear Solid Pack that came with the Game of the year edition but i recently upgraded to LBP2 and all the pack's content's inclding costumes and levels were transferred to it Lucky me huh?) and Super Smash Brothers Brawl which has snake in it but i am planning on getting MGS3 for 3DS i was wondering if you wanted to meet me on chat.....trying to make friends here now that this wiki has a chat.PS:i onlyp layed MGS1 once when i borrowed it from my cousin when i was 4 but eventually he took it back and i think he sold it....or we did i barely remeber anything from it at all except for the bosses the enviroment a few tibits and Pycho Mantis....oh who could forget him huh?)Ultimate ninja master 02:45, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Blue thanks for the welcome, but I think I'll do just fine; I've edited many Wiki's before. I'll message you if I need any help with anything though. Big Solid Boss 23:49, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Just popping in
Hi, Technobliterator here, justpopping in to let you know I haven't forgotten about this place, I just need something to do; before I suggest some new template ideas of my own I want to have done some more proper work first. Any tasks that you need helping with, at all? How's the wiki been, by the way?Technobliterator 17:46, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

hello...
hello i am currently on chat right now cause you're here i am in america and it is 6:29 where i am now.Ultimate ninja master 22:29, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

dfle3 chat
Hi. New to this site. Wanted to start a thread about what I considered to be a 'fair' speed run for MGS4...new to this site so not sure if I did it right...be good to be able to edit my comments. Do you have a Community Board where I could post that kind of stuff up? Not exactly sure where I posted my suggestions on a 'fair' speed run for MGS4.

Also, for some of my edits for the game, I'll have entirely removed someone else's comments or mentioned that the original entry is beneath my edit or whatever...not sure what the conventions here are, or who has the right to delete previous comments (or leave them there).

Might add some edits/replacements here some time soon.

Cheers.


 * Hi Bluerock. I'm not getting the hang of this site at all. I want to post something about speed runs on a community forum which is generally available...not sure that a personal blog entry is the way to go for that...most people wouldn't be aware of it, I don't think. You're links aren't even always visible...I mean the one which points you to forums. You've got a Watercooler section which I'm not sure is the right place for my post...is it?


 * Not sure what you mean by signing my comments with four tildes. What is that about?


 * P.S. your site has annoying pop up ads...the poker one...how do you make it go away?


 * Cheers.


 * Thanks for that. My Preferences had "Don't show all ads" as the default, it seems, but I got that annoying pop up ad for poker following me around today. Will see if it still does that next time I log in.


 * re site layout...many of your links are barely visible, hence me being in the dark about where stuff is...e.g. your links for "On the wiki", "Game information" etc. have a camo rating of over 90%, I think!


 * re Watercooler...I think I tried to post that thread of mine which I posted in my blog today on there, but for whatever reason I had no luck, I don't think. It was straightforward posting my blog up, but not my Watercooler thread. Might try again in a while, otherwise looks complicated.


 * re signature...I've added those to my Walkthrough entries now...not sure if that is what you meant by adding them. Accidentally deleted a sub-entry for one of those, but I managed to revive it...so, good that that was able to be done instead of alerting you to it!


 * Back to generally viewable forum posts...just something straightforward would be good...like Forums >>> New thread >>> Post. I'm assuming that Water Cooler is suitable for my proposed topic...maybe some sort of section where it's obvious what kind of posts belong where.


 * Cheers.


 * Just curious, did you find my entry for the Screaming Mantis fight particularly useful? As in this part of the game gave you trouble? Before I came up with this method, I felt that the section was impossible to beat. I'm yet to feel I've come up with a method which I feel so good about as that for the final fight with Liquid...THAT needs work!


 * What emblem did you get? Your time?


 * I did delete some original entries today which I didn't when I added mine here days ago. Not sure how you feel about that. From memory, there was a very long section on beating Crying Wolf, which I left, but do feel that it is overlong. My quick kill method is the first part of that entry, I think.


 * Cheers.


 * re better for me to create my own personal walkthrough...the entries that I've replaced or added to are the community ones, right? In that case I think that the most effective strategy should be the default one, without regard to the amount of work someone else put into it. That person who put a lot of work in their entry (not that I haven't), they could use their strategy in their own personal walkthrough linked to at this site, couldn't they? Hopefully, if I've deleted someone's entry, your site allows them to 'salvage' my deletion and use it again on their own personal walkthrough, right?


 * If not, that would be a suggestion for this site...the site 'remembers' whatevers been deleted so it's not lost and people waste their time writing stuff here.


 * I did notice on someone's long strategy for TBE walkthrough (I think it's for TBE) that they recommended planting claymore mines for the Crying Wolf fight. If the purpose of the TBE guide is to help people acquire the BB emblem, then I suspect that that advice would lead to the Frogs being killed by claymores, so the advice is 'bad', if you want the BB emblem...or the other higher emblems on lower difficulty levels.


 * Basically, I'm trying to contribute the most effective ways of doing better in the game...I have no wish to author every single entry for TBE...just bits I found difficult and the simplest strategy for overcoming those difficulties.


 * How many attempts did it take you to get the BBE? How many times did you play the game before you got it? This is the first time I got the highest honour...have played the highest or 2nd highest difficulty setting in previous games (maybe on just one game) but I don't think I ever seriously tried to get the highest ranking...probably would have found it impossible in any case...walkthroughs like this probably not so publically available back then either.


 * I'm still not sure why adding a sig is important for you re talk forums...you know that it's me if I don't do that, right? I thought you meant add it to the walkthrough entries.


 * Okay. I've been assuming that what I've been editing is like a Wikipedia walkthrough for the game. Your comment to me that I should not have changed the entries and instead started my own walkthrough on a personal page here made me think that this is not like a Wikipedia walkthrough. Haven't really delved too deeply into this site...e.g. I just made the assumption that the T.B.E. entries here were for those trying to get the Big Boss emblem...like I said, one of the Crying Wolf entries gave me the impression that the advice would lead to an unsuccessful attempt on the Big Boss emblem. If that's not an issue for you, I wouldn't have deleted that particular entry.


 * re me adding alternative strategies and therefore should create a new guide altogether...you mean I should write an entire walkthrough myself? No thanks! Hopefully I've given the simplest and most effective strategies for my entries...of course, I wouldn't begrudge anyone adding an alternative strategy if my advice proved too hard to follow...I'm not an elite gamer myself, so I think pretty much that if I can use the strategy, anyone can.


 * If you have other reasons for thinking that my contributions belong on my own personal walkthrough, then you should say why. I'm not going to the trouble of creating an entire walkthrough myself.


 * I mentioned Wikipedia because you know that its entries are generally available to all viewers...it's not like you have a choice about whose entry you wish to read. You do mention that there are two different T.B.E. walkthroughs...I'm trying to edit the Wikipedia equivalent of entries...don't mean to edit or delete people's own, personal walkthrough...I'd be shocked and surprised if I was capable of doing that...those people should have exclusive priviliges on their own walkthroughs and no one should be able to edit or delete their entries. Have me entries been in the "main" walkthrough for this site? If not, I'd like a link to add my edits to the "main" walkthrough.


 * re making edit comments...haven't been doing that so far...didn't know about it...sorry if I am unintentionally breaking conventions here...new to this kind of thing. I did edit the regular Crying Wolf entry (not TBE) and so some of my comments co-exist with whoever authored the main entry...not sure what your convention is on that...I included that claymores may not be the best option for dealing with Frogs in that fight.


 * I assume that you gave me links to two of those TBE walkthroughs before...might have to check them out to see if I can make heads or tails out of which is the 'main' entry!


 * I tried replying to you in my thread about who got the Big Boss emblem...I don't see a "Reply" link for that...I'd like to reply to you there, if possible. Be good if I could edit my OP too.


 * re editing articles here...I've gone over my old entries sometimes and edited them for clarity sometimes. An ongoing process. Personally I think that with some of my entries, they could replace the old entry, but I don't really want to tread on toes...that's more of a Big Boss responsibility! I.e. if people don't have success with my methods, I think it would be okay to have small additions to my entry giving brief alternative strategies...instead of, at the moment, two large entries...one by me, and one by someone who I think has a more complicated entry than me.


 * Will try and add edit comments from now on, but I've probably done most of the work I'm going to do for my entries...unless I really get a handle on other parts of the game which are difficult for me! Hopefully you'll let me know how to reply my Watercooler post!


 * Cheers.



I had a look at your 'two' different MGS4 links...one of them is for the Big Boss Emblem criteria.

Can you tell me WHICH entries I modified? Did I modify the Main walkthrough or some obscure walkthrough? Because the Criteria section is not what I edited. I want to modify the main walkthrough...the first link you gave me be different to what I edited? What's the difference between that first link "1" you gave me and the T.B.E. entries I have been modifying? I did modify some entries for the regular difficulty level of the game too.

Btb, it seems random whether a paragraph break will be big or small...I'd like a WYSIWYG system...so what I'm looking at now will look the same as when I hit "Publish"...which doesn't happen now.

Cheers.


 * You didn't answer my question about the differences in walkthroughs...you gave one irrelevant link...I found the relevant link for a particular part of the game...I contributed to one of them...my fundamental question is "Which one am I contrinbuting too?". Is it the main one or some obscure one no one looks at? I want to contrbute to the main one! Thanks.

I'll try restating my query for the two different walkthroughs...I just want to know what the difference between them is...who are they intended for? I've been adding entries or editing the one with "T.B.E." in the URLs. You showed me one with "The_Boss_Extreme" in the URLs. So, can you just explain the two links? I don't remember you going into that, apart from just saying that there are two different walkthroughs or whatever you called it. If I know what the purpose of each is, then I'll know which one to contribute too. * Okay, just noticed your second PM here...are you saying that T.B.E. URLed entries are for those seeking the Big Boss Emblem? And the The_Boss_Extreme is for those not worried about meeting the criteria for higher emblems?

Another thing, when I'm editing one of those T.B.E. entries, I can't seem to get to the main page of that, so that I can then navigate to another entry in another act. I'd like to be able to do that. Not sure what the trick is with that...be good if there was no trick, just an easily findable way of doing it.

Basically I'm saying that I find your site confusing...you've got multiple walkthroughs, if that is the right word, and it's not clear what each is for, and navigating from specific parts of the walkthrough to the main page again seems unintuitive. Be good if it was more straightforward.

Thanks.

Hi. Backagain. Obviously I'm not visiting this site much more. Just thought I'd say that whilst it makes sense for a lot of the site's feature to apply when editing the wiki, when it comes to chat like this, it does make the site more geeky...as in not being user friendly. You may want to consider to implementing my ideas as far as the forums go, i.e. not being able to edit the entire thread but only being able to your posts and have your reply be to just one post. Perhaps other users are put off by the complexity? Like I said before, I like sites where your ID is automatically given when you reply to posts...here it's an act of memory and, as you've seen, it fails me often!

Out of curiousity, did this site have a heyday? It seems quiet. How busy was it when MGS4 came out? Very? If it has quietened down, a lot of that would be due, obviously, to the game no longer being novel and people moving on. But maybe there is an element of people being put off by the geeky aspects to this site?

Are there other wikis for the previous games? Maybe one of these days I may wish to replay those games and will need to seek advice or try to give some. You got links for those?

You merged those two competing walkthroughs yet?

Cheers.

P.S. had to snoop around to find this thread...other sites it's intuitive re where the forums are and what your last post is...here, less so.

N.B. thank God I remembered...editing this bit in now...I remember somewhere (forums?) some guy offering to help with the site and them saying that they had coding experience with sites like this...they were asking for your permission to help you, I think (they don't need your permission though, do they?)...I think you should encourage them to contribute to this site and hopefully make it more user friendly. I see that the link for your Forum page is still murky...I didn't even notice those links before all the headers were barely visible. Is that guy helping out here now?

Dfle3 07:07, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Wiki navigation
Soon as I get time, I'll make sure that's one of the first things I'll look into; I really need to do something around here, it's been too long and I want to help. Also, any chance we can discuss with the community about my idea of standard page layouts?--Technobliterator 15:51, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm so terribly sorry, I was so busy on other wikis with other jobs that I completely forgot about what I was meant to do here, this task and the other things I wanted to do. I'll get to work right away.--Technobliterator 20:17, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I got it. As well as using the code you removed;

.WikiHeaderRestyle > nav li { border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-top-left-radius: 3px; background-color: #color; } .WikiHeaderRestyle > nav li.marked {background-color:006cb0;}
 * Use that too, it should work.--Technobliterator 20:48, May 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Honesrtly I'm so useless, I've had my ankle's ligaments torn (which can be worse/just as bad as a broken leg& I'm on crutches), and I've been trying to get a new infobox code set up on SporeWiki, which all adds up to my lack of activity here. Well, if you look here, there's some code that should work on the main css.--Technobliterator 11:23, June 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, brilliant. Can we get on Special:Chat sometime (perhaps arrange a meeting time) to discuss this? I've got plenty of layouts for every article, weapon, character, story, vehicle, etc. And also, mind saving a screenshot of the wiki skin with the code, and then perhaps using paint or something to point to what you want changing?--Technobliterator 13:41, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Delete my account
Hi, Bluerock. Is there a way to delete my entire account? If you can do it, Please do it ASAP. Thanks. --Hoe Hunter 13:31, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

is it possible to chat.

xtremegianca alt
if you did not recieve a title can we chat. other one may or may not say my name.

Hmm...
Hmm...been a while since I posted here...wondering if I'm posting in the right place (goes to intuitiveness of the site)...looks like I posted in the wrong place, unintentionally. Anyway, I suppose the main thing I'd want to get addressed is the issue of being able to look at a section of the walkthrough, say, and then go back to the contents in one click. E.g. you click multiple links for parts of the walkthrough and one to go straight back to the contents page. Your site just seems to offer a "previous" or "next" option, which can be too grindy, I think. I'd like to see something more direct so you can zip in and out of certain sections, without having to move one section at a time.

re entry edits...hopefully your site records authors and changes made...like I said, it seems possible for people to edit other people's posts in general...and you do have the issue of 'needing' to add a sig...so, it seems that maybe it might not be possible to keep tabs on changes etc.

Dfle3 07:29, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Ten Cuidado.
Okay, I made a mistake about what Ten Cuidado meant. So what does it mean? Sorry, I don't speak Spanish as well as I should. I only know "Si" (yes) and "Ole" (hello). Weedle McHairybug 19:11, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

EDIT: Never mind. Apparently it meant "Watch out!" or "Be careful." Weedle McHairybug 19:14, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Fulton extraction of MSF/Big Boss pic.
Hi. I was wondering if you could get an image of the MSF using the Fulton to extract themselves from the area after completing a mission? Thanks in advance. Weedle McHairybug 21:21, May 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I uploaded a pic of Snake preparing the Fulton. Is that what you were looking for? --Bluerock 18:27, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I was actually thinking of it actually being deployed, although that's a good start. Weedle McHairybug 18:36, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Uploaded another, though it's not possible to get a decent pic with the balloon also in shot, since it moves too far away from the camera, and you can only see it from the bottom anyway. --Bluerock 19:55, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's good enough. Thanks. Weedle McHairybug 20:03, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

"Killed most of [Liquid's] men."
The wording made it a bit ambiguous, especially when the Genome soldiers were technically also Liquid's men, seeing how they did serve him, plus they only said that most of the soldiers were brainwashed, carrying the implication that there were some that served him willingly. The fact that The Twin Snakes also included a flashback to Snake killing some Genome soldiers during Liquid's speech also didn't help the confusion, either. But, if Liquid was indeed only referring to FOXHOUND, I guess I can't argue with that. Weedle McHairybug 20:31, May 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * He probably killed those soldiers during the unavoidable boss battles, but that can hardly be considered "most of [Liquid's]] comrades." It's more likely that he is referring to his immediate combat squad in FOXHOUND, given the wording. --Bluerock 20:48, May 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Nastasha's novel changes the wording to "dozens", suggesting Liquid was talking about the Genome soldiers, not FOXHOUND. Either way, there were like 100 hundred Genome soldiers. He obviously didn't kill most of them. By the way, if most of them were brainwashed, why did they still try to kill Snake after he killed Mantis? Their brainwashing should have worn out by then. --68.45.180.34 18:30, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

On a completely different note, you should use an extra colon before your comments to make them stand out more from the ones above. --Bluerock 19:04, June 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting point regarding the novel's wording. They tended to do this for other dialogue too, probably due to a different English translation. As for the brainwashing, there were other soldiers who participated willingly in the revolt.


 * Sigh, whatever, Bluerock. --97.96.142.107 23:47, June 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's standard practise, just saying. Indenting it at a different degree to the previous comment provides easier readability. You will notice that most people do this, except maybe new editors. --Bluerock 08:55, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Related videos module forum post
Hi there, I wanted to make sure you saw my post here. Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers, Sarah (help forum | blog) 17:07, June 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Speaking of video modules, is the new related videos module going to include the capacity to use links besides those from Youtube? I'm asking because I tried to upload the GameTrailers version of the Konami Pre-E3 Show onto the Konami site, but the link apparently prevented the upload of a video (the add video button was stuck). Weedle McHairybug 17:20, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep you will be able to use any supported video sites and any videos you find on the video wiki. We are working to get more video content partners now and hope to have more there soon. Let me know if you have any other questions! Sarah (help forum | blog) 18:52, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not the one who created the "unknown" status in this wiki!
It was in place in Sokolov, Raikov, McGolden and Python's pages years ago. As far as I know, the only characters whose fates have been questioned to date are McGolden (due to vanishing without a trace), Turner (due to being listed as MIA at the end of Snake's Revenge) and Pacifica (due to Snake saying no one knows if she's dead). I personally think Pacifica is dead though. She landed head first into the ocean after falling like 200 feet. That kind of fall did kill every member of Bravo Team in MGS2. As for McGolden, I'm not sure. He could have gone into hiding after finding out his neighbor was kidnapped. If you think he's deceased, you can change his status. --68.45.180.34 18:31, June 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, for as long as I've edited here, the unofficial policy was not to state anything in-universe if it was unknown (discussed on various talk pages with previous admins). I definitely agree on this for characters who die at the player's discretion like Python, but an exception could be made in some circumstances like Paz and McGolden. What I personally think of McGolden's fate is irrelevant since it was left ambiguous. In the meantime, I and other users plan to write up some manual of style guides for the wiki to avoid any further confusion in the future. --Bluerock 19:36, June 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * As I said, when I first edited here, the "unknown" status was already in the pages I mentioned. Someone else put them in those pages. Not me. Also, please do write up those manual of style guides. --97.96.142.107 23:50, June 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know the status was being used at some point but we put a stop to most of it quite a while back. Unfortunately, these sorts of policy changes were not recorded for ease of reference so an MoS guide would be most useful for this. --Bluerock 09:01, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

What could be considered a main section in Rosemary's page?
I'm not sure myself. You should do the edits because that silent guy will simply revert mine. 76.116.65.4 00:08, June 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Main subheadings, i.e. biography, behind the scenes, etc. I'll make the changes. --Bluerock 02:28, June 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks! It's hard to take things to the talk page because Omega Fighter never says a word. That's why I talk to you instead since you are the only active admin. --76.116.65.4 12:34, June 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * It may be hard, but the alternative is just edit warring, which is never productive. --Bluerock 14:02, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Ammo case photos in Portable Ops and Portable Ops Plus.
Hi.

I was wondering about something: Can you upload the images of the various ammunition case artwork from Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops and Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops Plus? If not, can you at least direct me to the place where you got the images pertaining to the menu artwork of various weapons and equipment so I can do it myself without having to use my digital camera? Weedle McHairybug 14:59, June 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for uploading the images. Keep up the good work. Weedle McHairybug 20:36, June 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * No prob. I have a lot of images saved on my PC but I only upload them if there's a need, rather than for the sake of it. Just ask if your looking for a certain pic and I'll see if I've got anything close. --Bluerock 21:50, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Please Help Me Delete These Pages
Hey Blue can you do me a favor please? I changed the name of one of my pages that I created, the "Template:MPO+ stats" page, to the "Template:MPO+ Unique Character stats" page; thinking that I would have make another Template page for the regular characters in Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops Plus. I found out that I didn't need to create the page and tried to change the name back but couldn't. Can you please delete this page and all of it's redirects so I can start over?

MGS-1987-FOREVER!!!! Big_Solid_Boss 18:23, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Interrogation.
I thought it was referring to an alarm because that's what the Radio frequency/interrogation FAQ stated on GameFAQs. My mistake, I won't trust him again.

Here's the source:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/914828-metal-gear-solid-3-snake-eater/faqs/34049

In fact, every interrogation line from Snake Eater, save for the EVA and Raikov interrogations, and to a lesser extent the AC!D codes, were from that FAQ.

Weedle McHairybug 17:33, July 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * He probably just made a mistake through assumption. I have tried it before and no alarm was raised, which I believe was on the Normal difficulty setting. --Bluerock 18:00, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Hi.

I'm trying to add in something to Gray Fox's article, but for some reason, I can't add it because of an "extension hook." Do you know what that means, and if so, how do I fix it? I would have added it in yesterday, but I was having some computer problems due to a blackout. Weedle McHairybug 11:13, July 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * What exactly are you trying to add? I've never heard of this problem before so not sure how much help I can be. --Bluerock 18:45, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Never mind, the problem's been fixed. Apparently one of the titles was long enough to cause a hangup on the page, which necessitated one of the image files to be moved. Weedle McHairybug 23:11, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Video Game Olympics
Hello, my name is Nic and I'm a member of the Wikia Development Team. We are going to be running a Video Game Olympics promotion, where we determine which game characters would be most suited to win certain Olympic events. A character from your wiki has been selected as one of the participants of this promotion. In order to promote this, we would like to add a participant badge to your main page in the top right column. Would you be willing to participate in this promotion? It's totally up to you whether or not you add the badge. Please respond accordingly. Thanks. - Wagnike2 (talk) 16:51, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Checking in
Hi ther, It's technobliterator, I'm just checking in to see how you're doing and stuff. Is there anything I can work on regarding standard layouts and the like? KLike, making ones for new types of pages, or editing articles so that they fit in with the layout?Technobliterator 10:09, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

MGS2 underwater mines
Hi. I was wondering if you could try to upload some pictures of those underwater mine obstacles in Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, please. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:39, July 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do. --Bluerock (talk) 12:26, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Got a clue?
Hi. After years I saw this pic again and I guess it was for Pause Screen of Arsenal Gear in MGS2. Are you sure it's related to Hindu mythology? And what is the relationship between Arsenal Gear and this pic? Thanks. Cold Hotman 12:02, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * See here. --Bluerock (talk) 12:19, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

helloAztec 1 (talk) 20:39, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

jhon.nextar 07:02, August 19, 2012 (UTC)hey admin.i am new to this though i find this wikia not so working out .u should create a new wikia which more people willbe ingterested in.so pls make an edit to this wikia.make it interestingjhon.nextar 07:02, August 19, 2012 (UTC)aka jhonjhon.nextar 07:02, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

hey can u go to the chat pls

Hi, Bluerock. I finished playing MGS4 a few days ago and there are two things that are really confusing me (specially the first one):


 * The light that is patched to Old Snake's M4 Custom turns off a second after I turn it on.


 * I saw the promotional video of Praying Mantis PMC in which a giant mantis chases after a guy trying to escape with a motorcycle, but the other PMCs' promotional videos weren't played in the process of the game.

I finished the game on Solid Normal.

I appreciate your help. Cold Hotman 21:46, September 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * The flashlight that can be attached to multiple weapons is used for dazzling opponents, rather than illuminating environments. It will throw off their aim if they are in close range (I know this, because I've had it done to me personally on several occasions in Metal Gear Online).


 * The PMC ads are only seen at the opening of the game (the second of the two commercials), but they are all shown on different "TV stations"; you can switch the channel using the D-pad (I also didn't realize this on my first playthrough). Alternatively, you can wait for the Start Menu sequence to finish (Snake in the graveyard), after which the Konami logos will appear and then one of the PMC ads will be shown at random.


 * --Bluerock (talk) 07:55, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, but if you push the start button during the gameplay and select the weapon menu, when attaching the light to M4 Custom, it hints that the item (light) will also be used for dark areas. I think it's more natural that the light attached to the gun turns on/off only with player's order not on itself. Maybe the player wants to use the light rather than Solid Eye's night vision.

I just wanna know that if you have experienced the same thing when playing MGS4. Did your M4 Custom (or any other guns that use light) have the same malfunction like mine? Cold Hotman 11:09, September 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * The same thing happens for me, yes. I don't believe that it is a malfunction, and is probably an intentional design. I agree though, it would have been better to have also had a toggle on/off function. --Bluerock (talk) 12:24, September 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank God, man. Thanks. I thought that it was a software glitch that only happens to me. Now you say that it happens to you, too, I'm sure that it's not a glitch. BTW, there's a toggle on/off function for light-featured weapons in MGS4. If you hold the R2 button while selecting a light-featured weapon and then push the Square button, the light will turn on/off, but it will turn off a second later. Cold Hotman 14:00, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Bluerock. Is there a Software Infobox on this wiki that we can use it in Fox Engine article? Cold Hotman 17:20, October 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't believe that there is one, though it shouldn't be too difficult to create one. Do you know of any examples that would be appropriate? --Bluerock (talk) 09:53, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Why not. Just take a look at Unreal Engine or Havok (software) on Wikipedia. Cold Hotman 13:09, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Bluerock. Do you know how to defeat Gear Rex in MGS: Peace Walker? I've done 127/128 side missions but only the last one remaines (fighting Gear Rex on top of the Mother Base). Cold Hotman 14:23, October 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's a tough mission, so I suggest you go co-op on that one. Would help to have the bandana and some missile launchers, along with currys and rations. --Bluerock (talk) 16:38, October 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * *Bandana... You mean I shouldn't wear helmet on that mission?


 * I got another question and I appreciate your help. Why PMC soldiers in MGS4 recognize Snake even though he uses local rebels' clothes? Cold Hotman 20:03, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Can we use it?
Hi Bluerock. I got some news about MGS5. Can we add it to the article?

http://gamingbolt.com/metal-gear-solid-5-release-date-summer-2013-by-earliest

It's Weedle McHairybug's opinion:

"Given the fact that it's at least stated by a Konami staffer and not simply a blogger, It at least warrants a mention. You might have to ask Bluerock if mentioning it is allowed or if it is speculation, though, since I might be mistaken."

Cold Hotman 14:12, August 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * As long as it is stated that the comments are from a motion capture actor, and that it is by no means official confirmation, then a brief mention should be ok (with the source referenced of course). --Bluerock (talk) 20:10, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Is there a way that people be able to talk privately or send PMs, on this wiki? Cold Hotman 19:34, August 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, if you both go on the wiki's Chat you can privately message each other. --Bluerock (talk) 09:22, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Hi Bluerock. Is there a way to lock one or more articles, so only a few trusted users can edit it like they do on Wikipedia. So we can protect important articles from vandalism. Cold Hotman 14:26, September 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I can lock some articles to unregistered users if it's absolutely necessary, or ban certain users who are persistently vandalising. Are there specific instances where you think such action would be appropriate? --Bluerock (talk) 16:51, September 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes page is getting hit hard these days and we have to undo or re-edit multiple cases of vandalism per day. You can take a look at its history page. Cold Hotman 19:18, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Raiden article references glitch.
Hi. I tried addressing it on the Raiden talk page a few weeks ago, but no one responded.

Anyways, the references tag in the Raiden article are not working for some reason. Can you find out what is the problem? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:44, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Image upload problem.
Hi. I tried to upload an image, but it sort of came up with a redlink (long story short, it took a long time to upload, I had to close it down and then try to reupload it, only to discover that it was already uploaded, and when I refreshed the page, it was a redlink). Care to fix it?

Here's the image link:

File:0b2a8bd91759e5b4 l 2.jpg

Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:46, August 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I cannot locate this particular file. Try and reupload it under a different name, see if that works. --Bluerock (talk) 13:42, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

UN UFO investigations.
Hi. Recently, I and anon 76 (aka Balliscolta) had gotten into a dispute regarding when exactly the event mentioned in the Grenada tape took place. He claims 1974 due to Peace Walker taking place during that time. I thought it was 1977 due to it being the real life date for the event. I was wondering if you and Fantomas will settle the issue for us. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:34, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not Balliscolta. --76.116.65.4 13:11, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Title change
Hi. Could you please change this article's title to Metal Gear Solid 5 (disambiguation) Cold Hotman 19:28, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

Paz's survival
How did she manage to survive falling head first into the Atlantic Ocean from a height of 100 feet? 76.116.65.4 21:01, September 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Only Kojima would know that. Nanomachines maybe? :) That conversation in Peace Walker, regarding her possible survival, always seemed like a story setup for bringing her back at a later date. --Bluerock (talk) 21:09, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Hey no problem! I just like to add whatever I can to make metal gear wiki the best there is and spread its awesomeness

1 of your.......fans
Hey Bluerock you might not remeber me but we discussed why raiden had no arms when he reappeared in MGS4 & why you like gray fox over Ninja Raiden? & that i was making metal gear rex in littlebigplanet? well ill be making a new account soon do to me abandonning my old account......some of my friends where jerks you will know me now as......Deepthroat.....No? How does Mr.X Work for you?184.63.178.171 12:14, September 26, 2012 (UTC)Mr.X


 * Yeah, I remember. Use whatever name works for you, not sure if any of them have already been taken though. --Bluerock (talk) 12:43, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

Mr.X
As Soon as i get it activated i chose Mr.X101 because i found out what deepthroat means......Ew.184.63.178.171 01:58, September 27, 2012 (UTC)Mr.X101


 * Lol! I'm sure the Watergate Scandal pseudonym predates that particular definition, but that's what most young folk today think of when they hear the phrase. --Bluerock (talk) 09:37, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

im not sure if you know yet but in Littlebigplanet2 you can make movies & i was wondering if you wanted me to make "BlueRockSolid" lol IDK y but i figured y not to test my skills basically its a movie of Metal Gear Solid for PS1 with you replacing snake*& i replacing gray fox for....IDK i just feel like it* i want to test my movie making skills & my memory skills of the game i was thinking i could post it on youtube & my page but what do you think (you look like your pic the fox thing) so what do you think + its a perfect way to showcase the metal gear i made what do you think?184.63.178.171 11:34, September 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a good idea, but I'd prefer it if you didn't use my username, if that's ok. Look forward to seeing the Metal Gear that you made. --Bluerock (talk) 13:39, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Actually to be honest using you as the main character sounded like a good idea at first but since i made a bitchin young snake costume & some awsome MGS1 Charactr costumes which i poured my heart into i have decided to get back to the basics & have snake as the main Character. hope thats cool plus without snake it doesnt feel the same.184.63.178.171 18:19, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

overuse of "sans"
does every use of "without" really need to be replaced with "sans"? it was only used in games as as part of the name of big boss' pmc, using it to replace "without" unless referring to msf is really unnessesary.Malice419 (talk) 05:35, October 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's down to the editor's preference really as they're interchangeable. I haven't noticed an "overuse" of it, to be honest. --Bluerock (talk) 07:47, October 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * ive noticed it on several pages e.g the metal gear (weapon) page in the section about metal gear raxa i thinkMalice419 (talk) 20:22, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * and i dont think they're interchangable as sans is a different language.Malice419 (talk) 20:24, October 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, there are plenty of foreign words used in everyday English. As I said, it's down to the writer's choice; there's no official preference for one or the other on the site. --Bluerock (talk) 21:14, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * thats ok, ijust think it might be confusing to people who dont know that sans means without, i was confused until i looked on the msf pageMalice419 (talk) 03:25, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Spontaneous reflex movements?
So that's what caused Solidus to move. I didn't know they were common in brain-dead people. I would expect them to not move at all. --76.116.65.4 20:18, October 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Spontaneous motor movements have been observed in a number of patients after being diagnosed as brain dead, and can falsely suggest retained brain funtion. You can probably find more info about it online, if you're interested. --Bluerock (talk) 20:36, October 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Way ahead of you. 76.116.65.4 20:58, October 9, 2012 (UTC)