Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-10941901-20130723221328/@comment-1.64.166.64-20130724083534

Zelda4dinner wrote: I think it was more of a tribute to Foxhound, since she idolized the unit growing up when men like Roy Campbell and Solid Snake were members, and I'm not sure if she ever changed her mind about it (unlike her opinion of Snake).

Since by the 1990's, the Patriots have control over virtually every government agency and organization, I can't see how they wouldn't be secretly controlling Foxhound, in the sense that as a special forces unit it was probably under the command of the CIA or the DOD who certainly were under the Patriot's control. It's probably safe to say that Ocelot joined Foxhound as a Patriot spy, probably to keep an eye on Liquid Snake as I doubt the Patriots ever trusted him. Prior to Ocelot, it's unknown whether any other Patriot spies had infiltrated Foxhound's ranks during Big Boss's time as commander-in-chief, but I'm sure they kept an eye on him.

Which brings us to the real question- while we can certainly think of reasons why Big Boss might be allowed to take back control of Foxhound (The Patriots wanted to keep a close eye on him, they needed his help, etc.) I can't think of how such a powerful and watchful organization could be duped into missing that, while Big Boss was commander-in-chief of Foxhound he was also building up Outer Heaven. The only thing I can think of is, if Cipher began construction of the proxy AIs during MGS V, then perhaps Big Boss somehow manages to delete pertinent information related to his activities with MSF from the AI database, thereby creating a window of opportunity for him to regain control of Foxhound whilst simultaneously planning his uprising... similair to how Ocelot used the damaged GW to hide within the Patriot's network. Sorry, but didn't things happen this way? -> The original Patriots splited into the Zero faction and Big Boss faction, with Anderson and Dr. Clark on Zero's side (as well as the AIs that were created later) and the rest with Big Boss. So I think another comment saying that Dr. Clark being the Patriot spy is closer to the in-game history, as Ocelot has always been working for Big Boss. Ocelot's participation in MGS1 and 2 both aimed at liberating USA/Big Boss from Zero's control.

As for Foxhound itself, since Big Boss left USA after the birth of the twin Snakes, I tend to say Zero gained control over the unit. If we fast forward to MGS1, Campbell said (before he cancels the nuke bombardment) that Foxhound is under investigation around that time and the organization was already disbanded by MGS2. So it is quite clear that, other than Dr. Clark and Solid Snake, Foxhound has been mostly serving Big Boss' interest ever since Outer Heaven. As to how much Big Boss or Zero has control over the organization between MGSPW and TPP, I think this is what Kojima is trying to answer in MGSV.

Lastly, someone suggested in other posts that The Patriots maybe having a hard time fighting the Russians around TPP's time and have a truce with Big Boss. This theory makes some sense but we just have to wait and see if Kojima is thinking in the same direction.