Board Thread:Metal Gear Solid V/@comment-98.234.99.168-20150703054955/@comment-1672596-20150717200537

Kornflakes89 wrote: 93.40.11.14 wrote: "Les Enfants Terribles, Zero called it"...plural... not just L'enfant terrible, so there must be both Solid and Liquid in the game (and Solidus as well). You know one twin has blue eyes (the first one, just like Solid) and the other one has green eyes (the second one, just like Liquid) so it makes sense. It would be a major retcon, wouldn't it? Well it may be... but it could easily be justified. In my opinion Foxhounder Solid Snake is clearly a brainwashed-War Machine obeying orders like a puppet. My guess is that in TPP Solid, Liquid and Big Boss met and later in the 90s when BB get back to Foxhound he brainwashes Solid and sends him to Outer Heaven and that's the original Metal Gear you know how it goes. If you think about Solid Snake in MG, MG2SS and MGS you're able to realize that HE DOESN'T KNOW SHIT about what the fuck is going on. It's not hard to believe his memory has been erased.

In my opinion it would be a shame not to have Baby Solid in TPP... so I'd accept retcons in order to see him, just like I accepted that huge retcon about third-generation japanese black haired Master Miller just to have him in PW, GZ and TPP, being an awesome character (I really love the guy).

Of course they say it in the plural form because that's the projects name and it's never once been referred to as Les Enfant Terrible. For the uneducated, not saying you are, it's French for "The Terrible Children." and yes, they can drop the phrase with "Enfants" and still be talking about only one of them, all three were part of the project, this does not mean all three are in the game.

The two Eli's eye color is not clearly shown, especially the second one, so you cannot say that they definitely have different colored eyes and even if they did, how do you know that it really is just Eli imagining his clone twin in his head and the different colored eyes is just there to throw us off and make us think it's both of them? Especially when Eli imagining his clone twin makes a hell of a lot more sense than Solid and Liquid having the same clothes with the same rips and tears in the same places and having the same facial scars in the same exact spots.

So not knowing what's going on means his memory was wiped? Yeah that makes about as much sense as any of PythonSelkanHD's batshit insane conspiracy theories. Tell me something, if his memory was wiped, how is it that in MG2, he remembers the events of MG1? And in MGS1 he remembers the events of both previous games?

So you'd accept a retcon just to have a character in the game even if he probably shouldn't, when shoehorning in characters just to have them in is not how a good story is told and ends up making things worse in the end?

Just like I told the other guy, if Kojima feels Solid Snake should not be in the game, then he won't be, he's not going to put him in just for the sake of having him there or because the fans want it, the fact that he never once budged from having Kiefer Sutherland voicing Big Boss because of all the crying over it should be more than enough to show that he's done giving in to fan demands and is doing things how he wants them done, and as this is his last Metal Gear game, that's exactly how it should be done. You forgot to mention that Solid Snake alluded to playing with a toy called Tobiacid as a child in Metal Gear Solid 4, which makes mind-wipes impossible or at the very least strongly unlikely.