Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-5085906-20130627191357/@comment-1672596-20150724191237

177.249.112.38 wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote:

Bluerock wrote:

Weedle McHairybug wrote: Ether101 also felt the same way about Big Boss being treated as a "good guy," and he actually hated that about MGS4. So, someone shared your opinion. Good for you.

Weedle McHairybug wrote: And quite frankly, that's not "simplistic," that's actually following the standards of villainy there. "Villainy" doesn't have strict standards to conform to. And believing so is simplistic. Yeah, actually, it does. Look at most Disney villains, or most James Bond villains, or heck, even the villains in DC Comics or Resident Evil villains. They followed a pattern and a strict standard. Even in Metal Gear, there were several villains that matched that standard (case in point, the Patriots, Volgin, Coldman, the Winds of Destruction, etc., etc.). And are you going to call Marquis de Sade simplistic then? Because he made clear he was a villain and embraced it. So you use Childrens movie villains as a guideline as to what a Villain is?? that is simplistic because everyone can be considered a villain.

Just a little example Gaston is the villain in the beauty and the beast, but if you follow the story from His perspective then the beast is the villain as he has belle captured.

And that applies to all villains, Zero is the villain in the metal gear saga but if you see it from his eprspective then Snake is the villain No, I'm not just going by children's movie villains at all (and for the record, I felt Gaston was poorly written, as most villains do NOT expose heinous plans in public lest they have a death wish and lose any power they might have). Have you forgotten that Albert Wesker, the Patriots, Agent Smith, Colonel Volgin, Hot Coldman, Kefka Palazzo and the Joker are NOT kid-friendly villains (the first guy's a huge megalomaniacal bioterrorist with delusions of godhood and from a franchise that deals with undead, unethical experimentation into biological weapons, and is pretty much a really grown up series, the second, fourth, and fifth villains are characters from what is obviously a franchise not meant for kids with their specifically being, respectively, a megalomaniacal set of AIs/councilmen who believe they have the right to play chess with people's lives, and have conducted an extensive list of crimes relating to mass murder, framing innocent people, attempted assault on a minor, and attempted murder of a pregnant woman; an extremely sadistic and brutal GRU colonel who sought world domination and had several instances of mass-murder on his hands even before blowing up the Sokolov Research Facility and nearly started a Nuclear War; and an extremely corrupt former CIA operative who reveled in sending a woman to die in what was ultimately a pointless mission, and also did drug trades and even worked with the KGB for quite some time beforehand, not to mention nearly started nuclear Armageddon in his last moments; the third guy is a renegade nihilistic computer program who has more than a little genocidal thoughts towards humanity, and ultimately wanted to destroy everything in a fit of nihilistic angst; the sixth guy is a really depraved clown who gets uplifted at the very idea of causing death, destruction, chaos, and mayhem, actually blew up the world, and spent his time as God trying to fry people out of nihilism; and the last one is basically the same as Kefka, only he doesn't even need magic to commit his atrocities)? And for the record, Marquis de Sade is DEFINITELY not child-friendly (actually, in most public discussions about him, Sade's horrific acts are actually toned down to such an extent that he actually comes across as whitewashed, so if anything, Sade's the exact OPPOSITE of a children's film villain, as he wouldn't even be allowed on a children's film at all).