Board Thread:Metal Gear Solid V/@comment-93.42.16.80-20151001203157/@comment-1672596-20151007151011

Paranoid Donkey wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote: To address your first point, actually, there isn't moral relativism. God made very clear there is only ONE morality in the scriptures: His morality, the ones he laid down in various laws and codes. If moral relativism truly did exist, there wouldn't even BE a Ten Commandments, there wouldn't be a Leviticus, Deuteronomy and Numbers. Okay I did say I wasn't going to respond but this. I mean, c'mon. You really went to such an indefensible position. Moral relativism is perhaps one of the most prevailing self-evident truths of humanity. It's why people kill, steal, hurt, and generally just treat their fellow man poorly. It's because their moral compass doesn't lead them to believe that their actions are wrong, or even if they are, they are at least justified. As I'm sure most people discussing moral relativism will tell you, God and scripture morality are a moot point as far as disproving the concept. and your final point there makes no logical sense; "If people did have differing views about what is right and wrong, there wouldn't be one specific moral code in a book!" is essentially what you're saying, I don't meant to disrespect religious beliefs but by saying something in the bible "disproves" anything, you don't actually have a logical argument. You want to talk about Hitler? Try Mein Kampf - that's one personal relative morals. Or is that the morals aspoused by the Bible? (P.S. That was a rheotical question.)

Weedle McHairybug wrote: And for your second point, when you are anticipating that Solid Snake is going to be putting a stop to your plans, and you are going out of your way to try and stop him before he stops you, you use everything you've got, and yes, that WOULD naturally include child soldiers. That's actually how most militaries operate when dealing with something they know full well are a grave threat to their plans. Who's to say the children were adequately trained and actually battle-ready? Who's to say Big Boss really did want Solid Snake to die? People often subconsciously set themselves up for failure all the time, simply because they're unprepared or scared of what success will bring them. Human beings are far more complicated that you want them to be - we are ambiguous, we are unclear, we have competing morals and yes Weedle in spite of what a 2000 year old book may say, human beings have different moral codes. As I said before this is self evident. Even if it wasn't, the mere fact that people are capable of having differing perspectives on ANYTHING than one another should demonstrate that there are competing moral ideologies in the world. Everything in Kojima's universe is based heavily on the questioning of what is "right", and who gets to say so? Is there such thing as a timeless enemy? Do you love her or hate her? - Does it have to be either? Human beings are not coins with two sides.

There now that's sufficiently off-topic, and this time I will stick to my no reply rule. It just bothers me to see such a complex species be shoved in to an objective Column A or Column B, especially on a website about Metal Gear Solid. Adieu. 1. There is indeed only one morality, despite what Nietzsche stated. Real moral relativity as you described is amoral, and in fact renders laws and moral codes meaningless. If I were to use moral relativity, I could kill my neighbor and my whole neighborhood, heck anyone I met since I figure: Since morals are relative, that means there is no inherent meaning behind them, and since there's no meaning at all behind morals, I see absolutely no reason to not do things considered morally reprehensible on a consistent basis. It basically means morals are meaningless, hence, nihilistic.

2. Solidus had managed to get Raiden battle ready when he was barely even 6, and the Liberian Civil War actually took even LESS time than Zanzibar Land. If they could pull that off, Big Boss definitely could do it in about a year tops.