Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-166.137.88.23-20130610185107/@comment-68.45.180.241-20130618180517

Weedle McHairybug wrote: Jim Logan wrote: 1.64.177.16 wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote: 1.64.177.16 wrote: Bluerock wrote:

Charliegian wrote: Just watched some MGS1 Cutscenes, some interesting things:

(I'm refering to the times in this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLTqIXZ1jQQ)

1.)   [2:31:40] Liquid talks to snake about how they are really twins, pay attention at around [2:32:39], Liquid says, "But....I'm the one father chose" Interesting.

2.)   [2:43:33] Liquid talks about the Les Enfents Terribles project, pay attention at around [2:43:54], Liquid mentions the (apparent) coma we now see BB in the trailers. 1) The delivery of that line did seem like Big Boss had chosen Liquid as some sort of successor, in the original MGS1 at least. However, I think The Twin Snakes remake changed this dialogue (or made it more clear), so that Big Boss's "choice" was actually that Liquid would be the inferior clone, whereas the original only said that Big Boss had told him personally that he was inferior.

2) Different comas. The one Liquid mentions occurred around the time of Les Enfants Terribles (c.1971-72). This first coma is only mentioned in the English version of MGS1. The coma in the TPP trailers is 1975 onwards. I just looked up both versions:

In the original (After Liquid said he's the leftovers/garbage): "But I'm the one father chose" and then "He always told me I was inferior, and now I'll have my revenge!!"

In TTS (After a similar line): "But I'm the one father chose" and then "He is choosing me knowingly, to be the inferior one!? For this I want revenge!!"

So the original version had at least some degree of (if not a very strong) implication that BB and Liquid met in person more than just once and told Liquid that he was the recessive clone (although there is no clue to whether BB knows who actually is the inferior one), while in TTS, despite the remake left an open door for Kojima to say Liquid learned what he knew indirectly, I think the main point remains that Liquid thinks he is the recessive one and based his hatred on this "fact" regardless of how he learned it (which is true to both versions)

For the coma part, I don't think we were ever told that BB only fell into a coma just once prior to Outer Heaven, so technically a 9 year coma after the 1972 coma still does not contradicts with each other. I say the TTS version's the more canon one. Aside from TTS's script being rewritten to reflect the Japanese version more (hence Mantis' "nostalgic" comment), In the Darkness of Shadow Moses uses the TTS version of the quote before TTS was even made. Plus, the bios for Liquid Snake (at the very least the OMH) mentioned he learned of his status as the allegedly inferior clone AFTER Big Boss was defeated in Zanzibar Land, so he can't have learned this from Big Boss, never mind have it drilled into his head. Still, assuming the coma thing did indeed happen, it won't be the first time. Heck, even before that, it still wouldn't have been the first time (Para-Medic mentioned seeing Big Boss while he was unconscious after the events of the Virtuous Mission). Hm... Just a bit side tracking - I believe there are differences between being unconcious and being in a coma right? I know little about the meidcal definitions of them but I guess it is more or less right to say that unconciousness occurs when an individual become irresponsive to the surrounding due to stresses and injuries substained to his body which affects his brain function, while a coma is a state where an individual is irresponsive to the surrounding even after the stresses and any injuries substained is removed / recovered. So that ocassion Para-Medic mentioned might well be unconciousness than a coma (as Naked Snake was so badly wounded at the time)... anyway enough meidcal bullshit from me - that does not change the fact that Big Boss should have fell into a coma at least twice before Outer Heaven, once in 1972 and once at the end of MGSGZ. GZ and TPP are the same game.... That doesn't mean that they are going to be released together. Don't forget, Oracle of Seasons and Oracle of Ages were released separately despite technically being the same game. Kojima implied this was likely to be the case when he compared MGSV to a "tv series" rather than to a "movie." Besides, Kojima himself admitted that they haven't decided whether to released separately or together.

Not this again.