Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-5085906-20130627191357/@comment-6747658-20150515160843

And the final 40 minutes done:

Next up is the notion that because GF and Akiba, both being genome's, slamming their head onto the ground is perhaps more then we see. Already this is stupid, GF was slamming his head repeatedly into the floor as he was loosing control of himself, not unthinkable when he is more machine than man and practically brought back from the dead. Akiba however, was freaking out because he screwed up, that's a big difference.

And we're back to the shadows, which was already debunked earlier in this threat that both the "current" gen and the "next" gen had generic for practically everyone. While it is odd that they haven't still fixed the shadows properly, even in the PC version, it is still no ground to believe that, because BB's shadow is lacking hair, that it means that BB isn't real.

And here comes the voice bit about BB's Japanese VA, whom we already know has a far greater vocal range then David Hayter, this scene is rather pointless honestly as Python shows a bit of TPP's english and then in Japanese and a bit of MGS2 with Solidus in English and then in Japanese. He then goes on about the three voice files found in the PC version of GZ. While there is no doubt that they do indeed sound like David Hayter, they are generic files at best like you'd use for MGO. It is possible that these were done by an impersonator, or re-used from older voicework and were meant to be used for the Deja Vu Mission. In fact, Python reveals they were used for the Jamais Vu mission with Raiden, but he raises questions since Raiden wasn't listed in credits and thus this could possible mean that David Hayter is involved with TPP.

Again,no, David himself has said various times, to the point of becoming annoyed by his own fanbase, that he is not in TPP. This no longer is a "cover" story or whatever, it's been nearly two years now, David is not in the game, get over it. As for the soundfiles, it does sound like him, but considering the quality they sound more like re-used voice bits then actually freshly recorded stuff, at best it was done by an impersonator, there's plenty of those these days.

Next up, the damn sillhouette that supposedly looks like a shadowed GF as the cyborg ninja, again this has been discussed prior in this topic to be nothing more then a coincidence, Jackie was moving the camera around like he always does, that sillhouette looked like GF for a split second is still Python grasping at straws and taking anything he can as "proof". Likewise goes for those patches on the shoulder, BB is wearing a protective sneaking suit, those patches are supposed to protect his shoulders. That they happened to look like those on GF's cyborg's back is coincidence. I mean c'mon, are we also going to claim Kaz is Liquid Snake because they wear the same coat and have blond hair? You read it here first people, Liquid isn't Solid's brother, that's Kaz with prostethics! Spread the word!

Now comes up the Medic, and yes, Kiefer is voicing the Medic with a low pitch voice, this isn't uncommon practice in videogames for VA's to voice other roles as well, it cuts down costs on not needing to hire others for generic roles. This is nothing new. As for the face model, while it does bear some resemblance to BB, it doesn't bear "great" resemblance like Python suggest, eye depth, hairline, mouthshape, earheight, nostrilheight are all different. While it is true that the injury marks are identical, this doesn't say much because they could have just copy/pasted BB's injuries on the Medic to safe time. Again, as said earlier, there is resemblance but it is by no means a lookalike of BB and most likely just an edited soldier model without the baklava mask.

He ends up by showing off that early Fox Engine head model with the deep scars and GF's Twin Snakes model, we already debunked that the Fox Engine model doesn't look like GF one bit and was most likely just used for testing purposes, since Python only shows them before going on to something else, I assume he wants to imply that Medic is GF but that's a no go there, so far we know GF doesn't have such medical skills.

Ok, so next he goes into phantom pain and how mirror therapy is used to treat it as it makes the brain believe the lost limb is fine. This is true and all, but it doesn't really follow in what he shows next. The GZ poster with the text "From "FOX" two phantoms were born." and that under the poster it said that the text was purposely mirrored thus showing the text mirrored on the poster. He goes on to imply that "What is used to invery an image? A mirror... Ground Zeroes is a prologue to which game? The Phantom Pain..." While I can see what they're going for here, it's already redundant because the reason why the text was mirrored is so that FOX shows as XOF (albeit mirrored) and XOF is the primairy antagonist in GZ and most likely partially in TPP as well. I am truly astounded that they read far too deep into this when the point of why the the text was mirrored, was right there in front of them in the text.

In no way does this imply/hint that GZ is a VR treatment simulation or whatever and that they somehow make believe that whomever portrays BB is the real BB despite not being so. No, the text was flipped so that FOX became XOF, nothing more.

Currently he's going on about Hexagons and how they appear everywhere....well DUH, Hexagons are a common sight in science, as well in cybernetic and futuristic stuff. Not to mention snakes have hexagonal scales and the militairy is known to use hexagonal camo for their vehicles as well as outfits, it's a common thing really and so far I really do not see the signifiance of these pointless minutes wasted on showing where hexagons appear in the MGS series.

Okay, so apparently because Dr. Strangelove talked about AI and BB mentioned it being like a beehive, so now Python goes about how hexagons are synonymous to the Patriots. No, that is NOT what BB meant when refering to the AI with Strangelove. The AI acts like a hivemind, the hive being the main AI and the bees/drones being the information gatherers and whatnot, not once was there any implication to hexagons, and as stated before, hexagons are a very common theme in scients, cybernetics and militairy. This is again a moment where Python reads too deeply into what it said and shown and tries to make links in order to make his theory more plausible. Hexagons aren't synonymous to the Patriots, they're just that fricking common.

He goes on that, because there are hexagonal tiles in the hospital scene in TPP, and that because Olga was in a Patriots controlled hospital, that thus, the hospital in TPP is most likely run by the Patriots and that everything we see is a lie. While it is possible that the Patriots can be controlling the hospital, it just seems unlikely because we're assumingly still in the early phases of Zero's reaches of wanting to control everything and the Patriots AI didn't exist until late 90's early 00's, as well as their control over America and the like, that's a near 20 years later before the Patriots was in such a grand control over things.

He goes on about the Boss AI, Colonel AI, Sunny, Fox Engine in the Deja Vu mission and cut out voicework from Gray Fox all list the names of train stations in the exact same order and how this relates to GF being a possible Patriots pawn because the rest were involved with the Patriots. While it's an interesting thought, the naming of train stations are more so a kind of easter-egg from Konami's origins. The train stations mentioned are from the Nose Electric Railway in Osaka, the order of the names are the order of the stations the railway goes through, NS01 being Kawanishi-noseguchi, up to NS14 being Myokenguchi. Osaka is the origins place of Konami as it was first founded in Osaka.

He ends up with the Interview with Quinton Flynn about David Hayter with Quinton talking about that there is probably more to the story. But as we already know, David is not in TPP so that point is redundant. Finally he shows an image of, what I think is from the Kojipro podcast, where we see two models of BB's prosthetic arm and in the background a Cyborg Ninja Bust, a voice over is heard calling it an interesting coincidence, thus implying once more that GF is this Venom Snake. No, that's just a bust, and that's just two models. It's a podcast of MGS so there's bound to be MGS related materials there, it means absolutely nothing, stop looking into things that aren't there.