Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-179.197.35.147-20140929015719/@comment-1672596-20151102152511

64.33.250.214 wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote: Actually, he only lost to Big Boss once in Portable Ops, which was the second fight. Yes, you did need to beat him in the first fight, but that's just for gameplay. For the cinematics, it was made pretty clear that Big Boss and Null, if anything, fought to a stalemate. Solid Snake may have beaten him both in MG2 and MGS1 (though the latter's in the gray area, no pun intended). As far as being killed by Liquid, he did at least manage to cripple REX enough to force Liquid to expose himself, so it's not like he did nothing of value in his last stand.

So far as Raiden, he did do some really impressive stuff in MGRR, like taking down Desperado as well as going one-man army against a huge PMC when no one else was willing to directly go against them for various reasons, all to save orphaned children. And for being outmatched against a senator souped up in nanomachines that rivaled even Vamp's, he did very well, actually.

I do agree that with MGSVI, IF there's going to be an MGSVI, they need to retcon the mess that was MGSV. The thing fans of Raiden seem to forget, like the person I replied to, is that Rising is stylistically and tonally different from previous games. It also took liberties with the canon, and how neatly Raiden's character arch was completed in MGS4. It wouldn't be fair to compare anything Raiden did in MGRR with Gray Fox some 10+ years prior. I'm more inclined to believe that MGRR exists in its own expanded universe.

In all fairness, they DID try to at least explain why he did these things in Rising rather than a "just because." Besides, based on what Drebin 893 said in the ending to Otacon, that would have been inevitable anyways (and I might as well point out that due to what Drebin said, there is definitely no way Sunny's actions actually did the world any favors, considering it just left it either ripe for a UN takeover or even a full on warzone).

And quite frankly, Rising actually didn't take all that many liberties with the canon. It at least actually managed to reference events from prior games. If anything took liberties with canon, it was Peace Walker and Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain. Those were worse with taking liberties, like retconning Master Miller's backstory for no real reason other than just because, or needlessly retconning EVA, Ocelot, and Big Boss's explanation for the fight between Outer Heaven and The Patriots and even making a body double die in Outer Heaven despite Big Boss explicitly telling Solid Snake that the latter had erased him "twice before." And since I know there are people like Bluerock who will claim it was merely a "different context", let me point out that this actually directly conflicted with what they said and did in MGS4, so no, it's not merely a different context. A different context would be more like two people recalling the same event in exactly the same manner that transpired, with the only difference being they are two different individuals and slight variations due to positioning. This was anything but "slight variations", that was outright lying to Snake.