Board Thread:Metal Gear Solid V/@comment-4913740-20140331092208/@comment-1672596-20141030181215

SolidBiscuit wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote:

SolidBiscuit wrote:

Weedle McHairybug wrote:

185.26.182.28 wrote: I've seen some pretty well put together theories that suggest that Skullface is actually setting up the feud between BB and Zero. Going as far back as near the end of Peace Walker. Pay special attention to the conversation between Zero and Paz where Paz questions if she is even talking to Zero or not.

Obviously at some point BB and Zero realize they are being played, and Skullface is offed at some point. Following that there is some form of reconciliation, but BB obviously goes on to head Foxhound. I doubt the retcon is strong enough to avoid that major detail.

But don't forget that BB and Zero are philosophically opposed. BB is essentially an anarchist in the true sense of the word (self rule) Zero is a totalitarian. They are going to fall out again later regardless of Skullfaces false flags. There's a small problem with that theory: Skull Face mentioned he needed Paz to find Zero's location, and considering that Paz is the only one to get orders directly from Zero, it is extremely unlikely he'd be able to access Zero's comm logs, never mind pose as him specifically to instigate a fight between Zero and Big Boss. It's more likely that Zero gave even Paz orders via proxy due to his extremely paranoid nature by that point. Posing as Cipher wouldn't be that difficult so long as Skullface knew that Paz was one of his agents. All he'd need to do is "hack" her receiving equipment, presuming a radio or such.

But the oddness at the end of PW, including Cipher ordering Paz to kill BB (Remember in the Ground Zeroes tapes it says Zero would be pissed at SF if BB were killed?) is really only one piece of evidence that the whole thing is being set up by SF, to weaken Zero and put him in a vulnerable position to be exposed and finished off.

Remember MSF were due to become Zero's military. This is why SF went after BB. He knows BB from before, but the GZ tapes show that MSF was just a stepping stone on the way to Cipher, BB was in the way mostly. The grudge is with Cipher. (I think)

Sorry if I'm not being that coherent. I'm flying on coffee right now, but I will try and dig up a Youtube link which explains this far better than I have been able to. Except it takes more to posing as someone than just taking up a radio. Zero also would have most likely supplied her with his frequency regarding contacting him with status reports. Even if Skull Face merely picked up a radio and claimed he was Zero, she'd get suspicious due to the frequencies not matching up. He'd still need to hack into the actual feed by deducing which radio frequency Zero was using and then hijack it, also hacking Zero's source frequency to ensure he can't be stopped. And that is only possible if he knew where Zero was located at. Remember, Skull Face himself made very clear in the ending and sixth tape that, aside from Paz, no one actually knew where Zero was, and they got their orders either from cutouts or proxies, and most likely, if they got radio transmissions, they bounced around to ensure lacking a trace to where Zero is hiding at. Heck, the MGS Novelization had Snake being slightly suspicious of "Miller's" secret frequency due to it not matching up with the standard frequencies. I'm with you on all of that, however we know that BB does go forwards and head Foxhound with Zero's blessing, that is very unlikely to get retconned. So for the sake of continuity, a master strategist (played us like a damn fiddle) like Skullface probably wouldn't find it that difficult to fool a teenage girl into doing what he wanted.

Having said all that, there could be multiple reasons why Zero decided to call the dogs off BB for the time being. We'll have to wait and see on that one. I think actually the SF playing BB and Zero like a fiddle theory is even a little bit too obvious and convenient, for a MGS game.

Btw here's the link if you missed it on my first edit. Pretty interesting:

http://www.reddit.com/r/metalgearsolid/comments/2jdo48/mgsv_theory_new_tapes_imply_zero_didnt_order_the/ Unfortunately, Peace Walker and even The Phantom Pain strongly suggests against his regaining control of FOXHOUND, especially considering how the world wants Big Boss dead as both Ocelot and Ishmael made very clear. And that's not even getting into the strong implication from MGS4 that Zero didn't even know about Big Boss forming Outer Heaven, coming as enough of a shock to him that he formed an AI system out of distrust for humanity thanks largely to Big Boss's actions.