Board Thread:Metal Gear Solid V/@comment-93.42.16.80-20151001203157/@comment-1672596-20151007141742

Bluerock wrote: 100.3.56.214 wrote: Must you always be sarcastic? He did save the Outer Heaven resistance survivors. That is heroic regardless of what he did afterwards. A healthy dose of humor will do you good once in a while. Also, he rescued them so he could use them for his own ends, not as an act of kindness.

And Weedle, the games never made him out as a pure villain. I'm just saying the immorality was always there to some degree. People like yourself just choose to overlook it. Immorality? Immorality would be more like the outer heaven resistance begging for help and then Big Boss just gunning them down after making it seem as though he'll help them. Immorality is the May 1968 stuff and the Hippie Movements' Free Love. Immorality would be taking joy in seeing people die or killing people for the sake of it. Immorality would be trying to tell a confused kid that reality never even existed and you should form your own moral code. Immorality would be promoting abortion as well. Immorality would be unleashing a bioweapon on the entire world for a eugenics experiment.

Besides, if they really wanted to make clear he was running child soldiers, those kids should have attacked Solid Snake. I wasn't overlooking anything. It simply wasn't there. Had I been writing the games, then international standards or not, I WILL make sure the children's AIs are treated no differently from the enemy soldiers AIs just to ensure people got that Big Boss was running child soldiers in MG2.

And quite frankly, they should have made him a pure villain. I dislike moral ambiguity and relativism, and I felt Solid Snake was far more of a villain in MGS2 than Big Boss was in the prior games, considering he hid critical details about the mission from Raiden even after he found out about it, never even attempted to end the S3 Plan even when it was pretty clear he had the power to do so (if anything, he seemed to actually work in ensuring the S3 Plan succeeded), and actually backstabbed Raiden late into the game. Not to mention in MGS1, they painted him as an even worse psychopath than Liquid Snake (and not only did he not deny the accusations at all from both sides of the camp exempting Liquid, but in the case of Naomi he actually agreed with her accusation), and even Hideo Kojima in the MGS3 commentary specifically referred to Snake as a created monster when explaining why he created Naked Snake the way he did.

And BTW, I thought you said roughly two years prior that morality was relative, so why would you say it was immoral of Big Boss to do this? Moral relativity automatically means that morality in itself is meaningless, that there is no such thing as morality, so you really can't lay claim to morality.