Board Thread:Metal Gear Solid V/@comment-25168690-20160817194149/@comment-26985269-20160925082605

Adachi Did It wrote: Yup, it definitely seems that the more people started throwing the word legend around the more out there Kojima's ideas got. Don't get me wrong it worked, MGS 2, 3 and even 4 were amazing games. It seems with MGSV though nobody seemed to say "well we've got the gameplay and engine down, now where's the story we're known for creating?".

Obviously opinions are gonna differ, but I haven't seen 1 person say "MGSVs was just as good as previous games". Which is terribly sad to me. Mainly because as much as I want to defend Kojima for the previous masterpieces imo that he made, I just can't defend the story of MGSV. It seemed so needlessly watered down in every aspect.

I'm hoping for a miracle with Survive, I want it to be good. I'm just not at all feeling what I've seen or heard of it so far. I just have this horrible feeling it's either gonna be a generic survival game or some mindless zombie killing simulator. But who knows, I'm an optimist by nature, so until I see it's terrible with my own eyes, I'll hope for the best. I'm a critic first and foremost. I believe if we gloss over missteps of the past, it'll lead to future missteps. If the gaming medium wants to define itself as art, it needs to be held up to a higher pedigree, requiring gamers to be critics themselves.

Metal Gear will be different without Kojima, that much is certain. Survive is only the extreme of what could happen. Death Stranding could end up surprising everyone who've jumped off the Konami train. But if Kojima hasn't learned from the past, then it could end up being one of his most pretentious attempts at direction. A trend in Kojima's work since the success of MGS1 has been to up the ante by adding loads of style and technical effects over substance. As a result his games have become progressively as nuanced as a Michael Bay film.

Compare MGSV with Transformers and what do you find?

Lens flares: Check

Token hot chick: Check

Poorly written human characters: Check

Anthropomorphic machines with genital equivalents: Check

MGS4 had some of the best and worst moments in the entire series. If it's thought of fondly now, it's because Peace Walker and MGSV polarized the fanbase.

I have to agree with Agness Kaku, who has compared Kojima's writing to fanfic.

"Snake meets Meryl but he's really Old now so she's not that into him. He wears a Young Snake disguise to try to win her back but it's just not the same. Later the guard with diarrhea from Shadow Moses takes off his mask to reveal that he's hot and they make out. They get married at the end and have diarrhea babies. Elsewhere in the story, Naomi and Otacon do it before Naomi dies of AIDS. Mei Ling makes an appearance in a cute little captains outfit. FOXHOUND is back but they're all sexy models so Old Snake can take photos of their butts.  Rose is back and her boobs jiggle. Last but not least there's Olga's child Sunny who's really smart and cooks food for the men because that's what women are good at."

"Liquid isn't an arm anymore he's in Ocelot's mind. Mantis returns to play with the PS3 controllers. Raiden's a cyborg ninja now because Grey Fox was cool. Nanomachines gave Vamp his powers which could have kept Solidus alive, but Eva and Ocelot need parts to reassemble Big Boss so Solidus is a zombie in a bag. Solidus gets tossed in a dumpster fire and Eva jumps in, and Snake jumps in and gets burned and later microwaved. Ocelot fights Snake on top of Mount Snakemore and tries to kiss him but he's not that into it. He's says his catchphrase and then dies of AIDS. Snake attempts suicide but is stopped by his dad. His dad introduces him to Zero who proceeds to poop before he is humanely euthanized. Big Boss encourages Snake to live with AIDS, and Snake and Otacon start a family together."

Survive is what it is though. A cash in using assets from MGSV. It doesn't have to work within the story, expand the lore, or tie the timeline together like previous games. The final product will either be a dumb game or a fun dumb game along the lines of Rising.