Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-5085906-20130627191357/@comment-4913740-20140330123644

24.34.106.56 wrote: I believe some people have some seriously far out theories about MGSV and body doubles. On the matter of Gray Fox, he certainly does not double as Big Boss (neither does Decoy Octopus), but will definitely be in the game. A body double would create much trouble closing the plot hole between Peace Walker (1974) and Metal Gear (1995) as we would have serious trouble understanding how Big Boss became the villian that he IS.

Gray Fox was "rescued by Big Boss" in 1978, this could be retconned, but also due to the coma Big Boss falls in it is entirely possible that someone from Big Boss's operation saves Gray Fox while BB is still in a coma, thus he credits Big Boss even while he's incapacitated. We are lead to believe that everyone else has continued working as this somehow leads to Miller being caught in Afghanistan.

The body double theory would also prove to be a little too ludocris for a game which is trying to be grittier, edgier and darker. Body doubles arent any of those things, they are good for plot twists, however I have a feeling this game (being the loop closer) will be more straightforward as most of the serious twists have been revealed in MGS4.

I have also heard time travel theroes...no. There will be no time travel, c'mon.

It would be strange to not have Gray Fox in the game, that being said he will likely not be playable.

Skull Face is another character people have been reading a little much into. He's either a revisted character (Gene, Hot Coldman), or hes actually entirely new. Probably entirely new. I highly doubt he is the main villian. As someone who hates both Zero and Big Boss, he could just be someone new who has been affected by the 'war' which Zero and Boss have been waging. (Olga is the prime example of someone profoundly affected who has little connection to the actual characters).

The V.R. Theroes are also pretty ridiculous. How would any of that fit into the MGSV lore? If the entire game, or a portion of it, is VR simulation, it would actually make a good portion of the game (story wise) entirely obsolete as it never happened. VR is something that Solid Snake and Raiden used as training simulation. If VR was to play a huge plot device i feel as though it would have been enlarged upon more in the series (especially MGS4).

The Boy with the mask on is probably Psycho Mantis. Ishmael is probably not real, he IS voiced by Keifer as is Big Boss. This is just his psyche trying to reboot. Something tells me that Psycho Mantis is helping to rescue big boss and that while he is driving other soilders insane, while trying to help big boss, this conjurs up bad memories especially as Big Boss has already gone through some serious shit in the past 10 years. (excluding the 9 he slept for, so 19 years really). I believe this because Psycho Mantis takes out a helicopter, and allows Ocelot to rescue Boss.

Somethings to remember. 1. Big Boss is not a good guy, hes actually a terrible person.

2. Big Boss creates FOXHOUND. Therefor at some point he 'rejoins' the US intellegence community. This allows him to keep tabs on them, while furthering the goals of OUTER HEAVEN.

3. Big Boss has been aware of Les Enfante Terrible for some time, this is one of the major reasons why he hates zero. 1972 is when the project commences and his DNA is obtained, this is explained in MGS4...at length.

4. There are 3 characters who are hugely important to the MGS universe whos backstories have yet to be really fleshed out. Big Boss (incomplete, very detailed though), Gray Fox (really only discussed in MGS1), and Liquid Snake (little to no back story given) Something tells me that MGSV will end with the creation of FOXHOUND, show us why Liquid thought he was garbage, and show us how Gray Fox earns the title of Fox. Dave (solid snake) will probably not be in the game. This is the game which will end in the creation of FOXHOUND, the beggining of the Patriots AI creation (this was finalized in MGS2), and the set up for all next games in the series.

The mysteries are just that as to not spoil the plot before the game comes out. As twisted as the plot of MGS is, there arent that many questions left after MGS4.

Other characters you should expect to see:

Para Medic*, Donald Anderson*, Major Zero*, Naomi (she knew big boss), EVA* (definitely mentioned at least), and Campell (at least an honorable mention, totally possible hes not in it at all) (*= almost certainly in it, even if only mentioned or heard)

What i would like to see? The very last act of the Phantom Pain being Snake infiltrating Outer Heaven with David Hayter returning to voice snake and Keifer being Big Boss. This would play out like Ground Zeroes, perhaps with a little larger map. Rescue gray fox, destroy metal gear, set up for MG2: Solid Snake which would be remade maybe? probably not. they may retcon MG1 and MG2 to be as one. Also unlikely, but would be really cool. This is one of the most intelligent and logical arguments I've seen in a long time.

I would like to point out to you that an unofficial version of FOXHOUND existed in Portable Ops, when Snake and Campbell form their own unit to take out the rogue members of FOX.

It was officially organised into a special forces unit within the U.S Army in 1971, with Big Boss at the helm, and Roy Campbell as tactician. Snake leaves FOXHOUND and America shortly after to form the MSF. So the unit is already in existence by MGSV. The end of MGSV will hopefully show us how the hell he manages to retake control of FOXHOUND without Zero / Cipher trying to stop him. Or maybe Cipher does try to stop him, and fails.

Either way, you've done some good analysis here. My hat goes off to you.