Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-50.151.195.29-20150903211431/@comment-1672596-20151112131002

99.1.241.116 wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote:

99.1.241.116 wrote: Why does everyone want Big Boss? The heck is wrong with you people? You've had FOUR GAMES of Big Boss action. MGS3, Peace Walker, Portable Ops 1, Portable Ops 2.

Yet, this is basically a nail in the coffin, because it manages to retcon the story in a meaningful way up until Metal Gear 1 and Metal Gear 2, where Big Boss still lives, even after MG1.

That isn't even shallow writing. A body double formed at the very beginning of the series, which is being explained here? >.>

Everyone expected a game after MGS4. This isn't a sequel. It's a prequel. It's in-between. It makes up the rest of the timeline between Peace Walker and MG1, because there is STILL a huge gap between those two which chronologically is never explained.

As far as Huey turning into a demented bastard, I almost could've seen this coming...because the way he's been talking, ever since Peace Walker, his creations and his science go before everyone else. Including MSF. Including XOF. Including DD. And including whatever loyalty and self respect he had. It's mostly because we were told we would actually see Big Boss's downfall, even by Kojima, yet we don't, we only see the Medic fall, and we don't even see much of a fall anyways since most of the stuff he did was actually quite understandable. Maybe if we saw Big Boss going the route that Magneto did in X-Men First Class, heck, even Anakin becoming Darth Vader in Revenge of the Sith, it would have worked. Not to mention, it needlessly retconned several stuff in the series just to shoehorn in the stupid twist. Like for example, the necessity of the S3 Plan, or Les Enfants Terribles for example, heck, basically everyone's fight against Zero (especially when the twist made EVA, Ocelot, and Big Boss out to be utter liars to Solid Snake, made Solid Snake into an utter tool by the end of MGS4, among other things thanks to the truth tapes making it pretty clear that they all knew Zero can't have been responsible, and since the truth tape was supposed to be the same tape Venom got in the ending, it means Big Boss HAD to know about Zero's true role in the events.). Quite frankly, after this, I'm really glad Kojima is fired.

I agree with Huey, though, not to mention despite his talk in TPP, he didn't sound like he didn't like Big Boss ordering for him to install it with a nuke. If anything, he jumped at the opportunity while Big Boss himself was surprised that Huey would actually go through with installing it since it conflicted with his personal morals. Most of the above I could explain because even though a lot of stuff has been retconned, there's actually plenty of reasons why the S3 plan was still needed, as well as Les Infantes Terribles, and as for why Ocelot and Eva lied to Snake and as it turned out for him to be a 'big tool,' most of it is understandable in the context of the game.

But that's me.

Yeah, there are some issues, discontinuity in some aspects.

But I believe the "Fall" of Big Boss actually refers to the creation of Outer Heaven, and the installation of a "phantom" Big Boss basically meant that he screwed himself. If Someone did manage to get that far against Outer Heaven during its first undertaking and suppression by the US, then his entire plan falls apart, because they see "Big Boss" at the head, not as the head of FOX.

It's the beginning of the end, so to speak. But eh, not gonna get into it here.

Huey never argued against the nuke installation...you're right about that >.> How would it still have been needed? The plan's point was basically to mold people into the Patriots' ideal nature, both before and after the revelation that S3 did not stand for Solid Snake Simulation. There's ZERO reason to reuse a plan that was proven to be a success long beforehand and make a big deal about it. And there was zero reason to lie to Snake even AFTER the Patriots were shut down, which actually ruins Snake's reunion with them and makes the fact that he's able to make his own decisions ring hollow since they're lying to him even on their deathbed. There's absolutely NO way that can be justified with this plot twist.