Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-3444885-20141210002159/@comment-1672596-20141210014529

Alfrays wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote:

Alfrays wrote:

Weedle McHairybug wrote:

Alfrays wrote:

Weedle McHairybug wrote:

Alfrays wrote:

Weedle McHairybug wrote:

Alfrays wrote: i don't think he even know that she gaved birth to his sons. As far as we know(from PW), he does not even belive that clones exist. Actually, I'm pretty sure Big Boss knew about the clones. After all, EVA DID specifically state that he left because of the Les Enfants Terribles project, meaning he definitely had to know about the clones (with EVA even stating to Solid Snake that he never wanted him in an apologetic tone.). i think that he left because he has discovered that they wanted to clone him, nothing more. Besides, even Miller talks like Snake knows nothing, like saying "i wonder how he wil respond to this" or something like this. Actually, just because Miller said "I wonder how he will respond to this" doesn't mean Big Boss didn't know. Don't forget, Miller didn't know about Cipher's plan to screw over MSF if Big Boss refused to rejoin by basically framing MSF with causing a nuclear attack on the East Coast.

And EVA made pretty clear that he knew about the clones, and even Big Boss basically confirmed as much in the ending of MGS4. I disagree. To me the speech between Huey and Snake about clones and the one  between Miller and Zero show us that Snake does not conceive the fact that LET taked place. We will see in TPP. The clones were made without his consent. Do you honestly think Big Boss would have willingly acknowledged the clones existence knowing that? And EVA already made clear in her history lesson that Big Boss did know about LET and the clones (heck, it was the reason he LEFT the Patriots and made war with Zero). I think that if that was the case, than while speaking with Huey he would made some reference(at least to make us undestand), but instead he just denies absolutley the idea. What Eva said can be freely interpreted. Besides, Kojima retcons without making any problems, and he has already apologized for the heavy retcons that we will see in TPP. To me the ambiguity of PW just prepared us about this. Except what Zero did (steal his DNA and clone him without his consent) basically is similar to being impregnated by rape. In fact, Ayane from Dead or Alive was a byproduct of a rape by Raidou, and her mom Ayame refused to even acknowledge her as her daughter until around the time of Dead or Alive 3 (at least according to Dead or Alive: Dimensions, where she stopped Ayane from swallowing a dagger to commit suicide). This is most likely the same thing. And no, what EVA said CANNOT be freely interpreted, she made very clear that Big Boss left the Patriots specifically because of LET and their cloning him without his consent. I don't think that cloning is equal to rape, and in any case the references(that for me are necessary if what you say were true) would be for us only(and not for the context of the speech), like when he says to Strangelove that he was used to shock teray(referring to volgin for us). As for the rest, i cannot help but to disagree, as i said, to me PW prepare us to a retcon(which moreover can play on the ambiguity of what Eva said) EVA's statement was not ambiguous at all. And considering they basically made Big Boss clones without his knowledge or consent (which is the equivalent of having children, the closest he'll ever get to that, anyways), that fits the definition of rape (as rape means someone forces someone to have sex with that someone, without their consent, many times without even their knowledge if they are knocked out.).