User:Drawde83/Ramblings

Snake Eater
when Snakes in the hanger he creates a butterfly out of the C3 throws it it the air and when he catches it he says "Gotchya this time". he's refering to the real butterfly he couldn't catch while in the cave with Eva and the fact that He's kind of beaten The Boss by successfully planting all the C4. I Think it's at this point that Snake starts to believe he can beat The Boss.

I'm curious as to when Solidus was created in relation to the other snakes something doesn't add up. if the Sons of the boss were created in 1972 then Solidus would have been anywhere from 8 - 17 by the time he became Raidens "father" Isn't that a bit young to be considered someones father? I suppose in a conflict with child soldiers a 17 year old could be considered to be a bit older.

Thoughts on the Metal Gear wiki
it seems to me that a lot of articles get created just because somebody created a link for it even though there isn't really enough information about it. How I would like this situation to be solved would be if people tried to create lists of related topics and then if they get big enough they can then be split off into their own article.

We need to encourage more wikipedia members onto this wiki, the articles they have on metal gear related topics are usually much more complete than those here. maybe someone should work on copying some of the data over. Would that cause any netiquite issues?

Random Thoughts

 * Naked Snake gets called a true patriot by the president at the end of Snake Eater.
 * Jack was the only one who could have stolen the other half of the legacy.
 * He could have used the money to buy his way into the patriots, perhaps all the conflicts he caused were really requested by the patriots. (don't have to have the money to use it)
 * Jack would have motivation for being the patriot contributor to philanthropy. (his death may be an issue for this)
 * Whatever happened to the plans for the shagohod, didn't the chinese get them.
 * in Sons of liberty someone (solidus or Emma) mentioned what would happen if the patriots weren't there.

Speculation
Ok these are my Ideas for what may happen in MGS4

the meaning of the name "guns of the patriots" I think comes up in something GW says to Raiden at the end of Sons of liberty. To paraphrase GW says that Raiden was just a weapon to them like a fighter plane and that he was merely a pawn. I thought about this after looking at the new poster. the conversation points out that the patriots try to gather useful people that they can happily sacrifice and like in chess they like putting people in situations in which they have no choice but to do what the patriots wish.

ok now is you consider that while looking at the characters on the poster you realise that it's true of all the characters.

Big Boss - manipulated to retrieve the philosophers legacy and kill off the Boss. He later formed Foxhound and caused many of the earlier incidents in Solid Snakes history.

Otacon - was convinced that Metal gear Ray was a defencive weapon rather than an Offensive one . was brought to big shell to save EE his sister and therefore took Solid Snake with him.

Vamp - whatever the event that caused the break up of Dead cell it caused them to turn into terrorists but perhaps it was all caused by the patriots and Dead cell was only acting in self-defence. were used to stand in for Foxhound as part of S3.

Ocelot - got lied to about the true intentions of the S3 plan and of the real location of the patriots. as he has a hand in everything since the virtuous mission to the big shell incident you can tell that the patriots were using him as well. the patriots groomed him from birth after taking him from the boss.

Meryl - was sent to shadow Moses to ensure the co-operation of campbell which convinced Solid Snake to come out of retirement

Solid Snake - everything up to this point has been about putting other characters in a position to help in the creation of Solid Snake my guess is that Guns of the Patriots will show where this ends up. He did make an obligation to go and save Olgas child.

So in Summary the guns of the patriots are the people that the patriots manipulate to force them into doing there will. The only question is how will they gain control of snakes actions

As has been stated elsewhere there were several clones created in the Les Enfants terribles project. What if one of these had been trained up as Solid Snakes Assasin he could have gone through the same VR training as Raiden and through that could believe that he is the real Solid Snake. If snake and Otacon ended up seperating at some point this snake could have taken Sold Snakes place within Philanthropy. when the real Solid snake pops up the fake snake will be sent to investigate just like in the big shell incident.

because the circumstances surrounding Olgas Baby are similar to what happened to the Boss and Ocelot. and when you look at the patriots facination with being able to control history or create new Solid Snakes. I beieve their big plan is to keep history repeating. If they can get this to happen they can only become more and more powerful.

according to the timeline at the end of SnakeEater it took a while before the patriots could get all of the legacy. If it was all on the microfiche that ocelot stole then the only person who could have gotten to it first would have been Big Boss. but what I don't understand is why he gave it back to them.

the line "no place to hide" could mean that snake is hunting someone down. This could make the game more interesting as you may have to find clues interrogate soldiers. it could add in time limits which would literally give snake no place to hide as hiding would take up time and so would getting into a firefight

I read somewhere that at the time of guns of the patriots Snake has 6 months to live. What I think will happen is that when you start the game snake will be relatively fit and healthy but if you play it over the couse of those 6 months Snake won't recover as well from his injuries until at the end of 6 months you will just get a game over screen.