Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-86.46.22.35-20130403153709/@comment-1672596-20140628195028

96.59.223.143 wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote:

Misterbunnsy wrote: For god's sake. These theories are so ridiculous.

The first twin clones (Solid and Liquid) were born in 1972. Solidus came sometime later (though when exactly is not clear)

His accelerated aging allowed him to appear in his late thirties / early forties when he was only about mid twenties. There is no physical way for a child to be accelerated in aging to appear to be a man. Solidus would be three at the oldest by Ground Zeroes (that's if he was born in '72, shortly after the first clones) and it would not be possible for him to keep watch for someone over 9 years.

The only way it could be Solidus is if Kojima retcons a heap of information. That being said, it's doubtful that he is Solidus. He already has a name, one that isn't even biblical anyways (George). On that note, I'm still doubtful Eli is intended to be Liquid. Even with the Kanji in the Japanese version, I find it odd that the English version would use another, more wordy phrase than use "Liquid Man" (and really, "Never Be Game Over" is indeed twice as wordy as "Liquid Man"). And if it was to avoid spoilers, frankly they shouldn't have used "Liquid Man" at all, whether in the Japanese version or not.

And besides, Kojima has had a history of exposing major characters as being related to if not directly the same as characters who appeared in the series before (as evidenced by his confirmation that Kazuhira Miller is the same as Master Miller in MG2 and MGS, that Ocelot in MGS3 is indeed a younger version of Ocelot from MGS1 and MGS2, that Huey is indeed "who we think he is" regarding a relation to Otacon, and, heck, he even confirmed that Naked Snake was indeed the same guy as Big Boss, or at least strongly implied it in an interview and confirmed it with the leaked voice document for MGS3). If Eli was intended to be Liquid, I'm pretty sure he would have pointed it out, if not flat out, then probably like how he "confirmed" that Huey was Otacon's father (not a direct explicit confirmation, but strongly implied). We're pretty close to release (as evidenced by even the official site giving out pre-orders for the game), yet he still hasn't said anything that either directly confirmed or otherwise strongly implied Eli's connection to Liquid. He never officially confirmed that Naked Snake was Big Boss in Snake Eater though it was obviously him. The player doesn't even officially find out he's Big Boss until the ending. I see no reason why Eli can't be Liquid.

Odd, I definitely remember reading comments on GameFAQs that indicated that Kojima described Naked Snake in a similar manner to how he described Huey, though maybe that might have been Ocelot, not sure. Whatever the case, I definitely know he made sure to note that Miller was indeed the same one as in MG2 and technically MGS during TGS2009, and also strongly implied that Huey was indeed related to Otacon (though thanks to the MGS4 database, it wasn't made clear whether that meant his grandpa or his father until after release) in the same event, even though we don't even have any definite leads otherwise until the endings of Peace Walker (in the case of the former, it wasn't even until the second ending timeline that it was even confirmed outright), and I really can't think why Kojima would make their connections to past characters in the series blatant and yet not Eli = Liquid. At least with Naked Snake, it was understandable as we were playing as him. However, Eli isn't even the playable character, Big Boss is, and even if we are to assume from Kojima's comments that Quiet is the "hero" of the story, that means Quiet's the playable character, not Eli.