Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-5038094-20140721042428/@comment-1672596-20140906170724

Bluerock wrote: The Patriots could have as much influence as they like, but they still couldn't stop Solidus instigating Shadow Moses, nor stop the Marines creating RAY. You seem to have been spooked by the AIs at the end of MGS2, which was their intention, but they are not gods, and neither is Zero.

Big Boss's "betrayal" of Zero now begins at Peace Walker's conclusion, and not simply the events of MG1&2. This merely changes the context of Big Mama's speech in MGS4, in that MG1&2 are now the final straw for Zero. Nowhere is it claimed Zero "forgave" Big Boss or ever became best buddies with him again, but Zero still saw him as a friend, and though the two tried to destroy each other he still had respect for him.

I'll finish by bringing this back to the topic, and affirm my belief that remakes are NOT the future of the MGS series, especially if they're just to address little niggling issues like these. Something like Acid or Ghost Babel, not constrained by the main series canon, and free to try new ideas/stories/protagonists in a familiar Metal Gear world. Actually, In the Darkness of Shadow Moses strongly implied that they themselves may have instigated the Shadow Moses Incident up until discovering that Master Miller was killed, maybe when Donald Anderson was killed as well, and Liquid Snake was posing as the former throughout the mission (at which point everything fell apart on their end) especially when Richard Ames supplied Nastasha with a disc containing data relating to the entirety of the FOXDIE data as well as the events of the Shadow Moses Incident with the strong implication that they be used as blackmail material, something that wouldn't have worked against them if they weren't the ones who instigated it, and may have left Ames at their mercy as a result. And regarding RAY, considering Ocelot said "Steal? No, no, I'm taking it back!" when actually commencing the theft, it's more likely they manipulated the Marines into creating it for them while at the same time pretending they didn't want it than their literally having no hand in it, especially considering what they tend to do when things don't go their way (they tried to have Solidus killed for his role in the Shadow Moses Incident, for starters, and Otacon's statements regarding Drebin strongly indicated they cannot tolerate any dissent from their goals, no matter how minor.).