User talk:Weedle McHairybug

link titleAhh, I see. I didn't mis-read, you had changed it. My mistake. --Fantomas 00:09, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to the Metal Gear Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Jungle Evil page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Fantomas (Talk) 16:56, November 4, 2009

Zanzibar Land Article
Probably a good idea, but it should be tidied up a bit and probably condensed, so that it doesn't look too long and messy. Maybe it would be better to give it a new article altogether? -- Bluerock 00:06, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Zanzibar Land Article
Don't worry, It's not too difficult, I can do it if need be. I actually just uploaded a new article on Metal Gear G and it doesn't look too bad. -- Bluerock 00:21, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Just wanted to stop by and say thanks for all your edits. Frequent users have come and gone over the past four years, and it can be a little daunting when it gets to the point where it's just me against the wave of silly little edits from unregistered users, users who only stop by every now and then and spammers. You and Bluerock have been a big help posting things I hadn't even thought about these past couple of days and I really appreciate it! --Fantomas 19:21, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

RE:
Caterers would be the personnel who supply food to the soldiers (so baking cakes ain't too far off). Perhaps the soldiers of the Metal Gears have very limited carrying capacity, being cooped up in those machines, so maybe that's why they need their own catering unit, compared with other troops? Of course, I'm just speculating.

Also, I put these in a section of their own, as being under development, since they only ever managed to produce the one Metal Gear D and zero Metal Gear Gs by the time of Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake.

-- Bluerock 23:24, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Metal Gear 1 original manual
Unfortunately, there isnt any more information on how exactly Snake gets into Outer Heaven. Pretty much all the images and info in the manual have already been uploaded, there's nowhere near as much info as there was for Metal Gear 2. There are a few outdated details, such as FOXHOUND being formed under the UN, and Big Boss being a former member of the SAS and GSG9, but these have been retconned in later games.

Anyway, here's a link to the website which has the manual available to download. Be aware though, its a very rough translation, i.e. Solid Snake is also known as Stiff Serpent, lol, so read at your own risk! -- Bluerock 11:18, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

whoops, here's the link
http://www.msxnet.org/gtinter/mg1remi/mg1reme.htm Look under the heading 'Manual', and the translated Japanese manual is there, as a zip file. -- Bluerock 11:22, November 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Just so we're clear, it IS legal to read it, right? PS: I am allowed to respond to you via my own talk page, right? I'm asking because you seem to respond to my talk page if I mention or ask things to you. Weedle McHairybug 12:24, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

RE:
I don't see why it wouldn't be legal to read, seeing as the website posted it for anyone to have a look at. Also, concerning the talk pages, I must admit I'm not sure myself whether to post replys on the senders talk page, or on your own. I guess I'll have to look into it. -- Bluerock 12:42, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Also, this is the same site that hosts the translated Metal Gear 2 manual, in case you were wondering.

Re: Talk Pages
Just been reading up on Talk Pages, apparently either way of responding is ok. The preferred method is to post on the Talk Page of the person your replying to, as they are more likely to be notified about a new message on their page, whereas they would need to manually check for new messages on the other guys page. -- Bluerock 12:57, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

What the hell are you talking about?
Nothing in the trailer for Peace Walker suggests that Coldman was the deviously cunning strategist. You're the same idiot who believes that Jack Krauser survived his fight with Ada.


 * For the record, I'm not an idiot. As for the whole Jack Krauser surviving the fight with Ada thing, I never said that. What I said was that we shouldn't say that he has Las Plagas, nor should we actually say one way for another that he died or survived. I'd personally don't care one way or another. As for my statement about Coldman, he basically seemed to have a lack of respect for The Boss from his statement in the Trailer, from what I've heard of reviews on Gamefaqs. Plus, he at least RESEMBLED Major Zero (It was previously speculated that Zero was the deviously cunning strategist that Gene mentioned until the CIA director was revealed to be him in MGS4 due to the sihlouette resembling Zero more than the DIA.), and it was stated that he worked in the CIA. Honestly, please don't try and pick a fight. If you must disagree, at least do it without resorting to insults. Weedle McHairybug 22:22, November 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Coldman was the cunning strategist. It was revealed.

RE: What is this? Also, response to your statement about the retcon of Big Boss serving the GSG 9 and SAS.
From what I understand, Gulf War babies are those that were born to veterans of the first Gulf War, that had a high case of birth deformities, when compared with those of non-veterans. This was attributed to exposure to depleted uranium from shells fired by the US in that war. It is possible that it also could have been caused by the anthrax injections given to soldiers before engagement.

In the fictional Metal Gear Solid universe, these injections were used to implant them with "soldier genes", but the experiments were a failure, as the babies had horrible deformities to the eyes, jaw and spine, due to something called Goldenhar syndrome. I recommend you read up some more on it, there are some news articles that can be found on the web.

It's possible Big Boss could have worked with SAS or GSG-9 forces, but this information was disregarded in the MSX2 manual for Metal Gear 2, where instead it is said that Big Boss worked in LRRP in Vietnam, SOG and the 'Wild Geese' (which I can only hazard a guess at being some reference to the 1978 British film of the same name, about a mercenary group in Africa). Since no other sources state his connections to SAS and GSG9, I would assume these have been retconned away, and are reflected in the Big Boss wiki article. I suppose it could be added as a trivia point though.

As for NEST in Revenge of the Fallen, from what I remember, they are supposed to be an international group, as I believe was said in Optimus's opening narration, though it's true that it seemed to be almost completely American, with one British guy put in there as well, lol.

Sorry for rambling on a bit. -- Bluerock 10:22, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

De-Oxagynized water
Well to me its water that make things sink very well, i dont know alot about it, but i'll give you a couple links

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=22267

RE: Permission to edit Liquid Snake's characteristics section?
I've actually been thinking of removing that section (much as I did on Solid Snake's page), because it's pretty pointless. Either way, I probably wouldn't mention it, because even Solid Snake shows a bizarre amount of inhuman agility in that game (such as jumping off a rocket, and throwing a grenade down the barrel of a tank). It's just part of The Twin Snakes overly ridiculous nature. --Fantomas 23:42, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Gray Fox
Hey Weedle,

You removed the info on his ears and nose being cut off, and you claimed Fox said that they 'would have' done so if Big Boss hadn't rescued him.

However, in MG2: Solid Snake, he actually says 'THEY'D cut off my ears and my nose...', as in they HAD done so. I can see this point could be confusing, seeing as all images of him, (pre-Metal Gear Solid also) show him with nose and ears, but he would have probably had reconstructive surgery for so horrific an injury. Apart from this point, the info doesn't seem to be contradicted anywhere else.

Of course, my case rests on the Subsistence translation of MG2, and you seemed pretty sure that Fox had said things differently. Was this according to a different translation?

Bluerock 19:48, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

FOXHOUND Gear
Hey Weedle, Regarding the equipment info for FOXHOUND, I don't think it would be that big a problem to add it to the FOXHOUND article. The reason I mentioned it for the Zanzibar Land article, is because I thought it should mainly be about the country itself, but it didn't end up looking too bad in the end. -- Bluerock 19:01, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

RE: FOXHOUND Gear
Also, I was wondering how you were going to talk about the Chameleon suit, if at all. I was thinking of explainig it as a possible prototype to the designs for Octocamo (there's even a camo index table provided). It's interesting to see Kojima's planning back in 1990, no? -- Bluerock 19:15, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

RE
Oh, I didn't realise you were the one who created the Zanzibar Fortress article. If you're wondering how I was so quick at editing it, it was because I was actually going to create the article myself and was in the middle of writing up an offline version ready to upload. But ya beat me to it, lol. Anyway, I don't mind rewriting up sections a little if I can make them sound a little better, compared with the rough translation over on msx.net. I'll probably take a look at the FOXHOUND Gear article if ya end up going through with it, if thats ok. __ Bluerock 19:55, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Question about the Occupations section.
Because sometimes they are not the same. But if you just list his affiliations all over again, it's a little pointless. For example, with Para-Medic, her affiliations are FOX, FOXHOUND, etc. but her Occupation should read "medic/doctor" or whatever. It doesn't, we haven't added it for some reason, but you get what I'm trying to say? --Fantomas 23:01, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Lynx
As far as I can tell, Lynx just seems to be the name given to that particular class of soldier (like Jonathan). -- Bluerock 02:02, December 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, now I think about it, it's probably the name of a particular unit within the Red Army (just as FOX is a unit of the CIA, and FOXHOUND of the US Army), seeing as the word is capitalized. -- Bluerock 02:05, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Hey, Fantomas.
I'm mainly opposed to the suggestion that just because the mission which is required to unlock Raikov is in the walkthrough is evidence that Raikov's appearance is canon. Especially considering that the point of a walkthrough is to list everything required to 100% a game, so also probably lists other such missions which aren't canon. You can add it back if you still feel it should be mentioned, but in my opinion a walkthrough (even an official one) is not an incredibly reliable source of information. --Fantomas 20:30, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

Python
The database made it clear that Snake was a member of FOX in 1961. http://natmal.net/mgsdb/?enc&id=80

I do recommend you get the Portable Ops strategy guide. Unlike the EVA, Paramedic and Sigint missions, the Raikov mission is actually mentioned, hence, Raikov surviving could be canon. It also recommends sparing Python. I wish the database would have made Raikov and Python's fate clear but it didn't.

RE: Hey, Fantomas:
No, I have no idea. I know very little about things of this nature. But remember: just because they mention something in Metal Gear, even if it is in relation to a real world event, does not mean it has to be based on something that really happened. I've noticed you do this before on Crying Wolf's page, where you tried to tie Wolf's background to real world events. I don't know if this is why you were asking (to and try and attach a name to Big Boss' and Python's mission in Vietnam, maybe?), but I just wanted to mention that. --Fantomas 12:49, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

RE: EVA
Hey Weedle,

This is one of those really confusing points in the storyline that isn't entirely understood, but I'll tell ya what I think of it all:

EVA is definitely aware of Big Boss's resurrection, since she had a hand in it, and knows that Ocelot (as himself) idolises him and wishes to destroy the Patriots. However, from what I understand of it, she is not a part of the insurrection in which he plans to become a Patriot himself and rule through military might, since this does not agree with her views on interpreting the Boss's will, as she disagreed with both Zero's and Big Boss's methods.

This is because she believes that he is now a different person (Liquid), though it is not made clear whether she believes it is through supernatural means or not. I doubt that she would have risked her life to prevent him from taking Solidus's body in Eastern Europe. If she was a part of Liquid's plan, she coulda just handed him over, I cannot believe that the whole chase sequence is all just a show.

I'll have to get back to ya on this, as I'm away from home until the weekend and I can't remember all the dialogue from the cutscenes, but this is all I can think of right now. -- Bluerock 19:38, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Exactly Bluerock. You could even tell that Eva was emotionally distraught. She really believed that Liquid took over Ocelot. For example, she gave him an apple and called him Adam but he simply crushed the apple and EVA shook her head in sadness. And besides, I doubt she would sacrifice all of her "children" to put on a show. --72.186.96.252 20:18, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, but the way the article worded her part on the insurrection (IE, "her planning with Ocelot for "liquid's" insurrection") implied that she was fully aware that Ocelot was faking his being possessed by Liquid. Well, might as well put it back in, as well as remove that tidbit about how she arranged with Ocelot for "Liquid's" insurrection. Weedle McHairybug 20:42, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * She did not know that Vamp burned Solidus' body. She really though that he burned Big Boss' body. It's true that she was reconstructing Big Boss' body but we must remember that she also had Solidus' body and used it as a decoy. Liquid Ocelot destroyed her Pyx, remember? He then took Big Boss' body from the Pyx and had Vamp burn Solidus' body. It happened so quickly that she didn't notice the eye difference. --72.186.96.252 22:23, December 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * That's an interesting theory, one I hadn't thought of before. Can it be proven (i.e. can you see the eyepatch switch)? --Bluerock 22:36, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait, so you're saying that in EVA's pyx was the bodies of both Solidus and Big Boss? Your working on this assumption that Big Boss' body was even in Eastern Europe to begin with. At no point is there evidence to suggest Big Boss reconstuction was happening there, or that his body was ever there. It's an interesting theory, but it seems like there are too many assumptions for it to be proven, unless I'm missing something... --Fantomas 22:39, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * No, Liquid Ocelot's men must have taken Solidus' body from one of the decoy's vans during the chase. And EVA did tell Snake that Big Boss' body was in the pyx. But whatever, it's simply my opinion. --72.186.96.252 12:51, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are assuming Big Boss was actually in the Pyx/Eastern Europe. EVA does say his body is in the Pyx, this is true, but we are then shown his body, which we know was actually Solidus. As we all know, the whole thing was staged to fool Liquid Ocelot & Zero, and that's why Solidus body is used, if this is so then bringing Big Boss' now reconstructed body to Europe with them and having it in one of the vans would have been a very silly move on EVA's part. EVA had to have known that the body was Solidus, or this whole portion of the game makes little sense. --Fantomas 17:33, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * ...or if not Liquid Ocelot, then definitely Zero or the AIs (then again, it's implied in the ending that the AIs had basically overthrown Zero and also did things that not even he would have approved of.). I doubt that Liquid Ocelot was fooled. From what I understand about Big Boss's explaination, Liquid Ocelot seemed to know that it was Solidus, and yet deliberately chose him rather than Big Boss. Of course, even without Big Boss's explaination, Ocelot would still have understood it to be Solidus (He briefly worked for Solidus since at least the FOXHOUND Rebellion, if not even earlier), and even commented on Solidus's eyepatch making him a split image of Big Boss. If we are to assume that Liquid was slightly in control of Ocelot (which, at least in the final battle, it's implied that he was in at best minimal control, due to the whole phase thing.), and Liquid had met Big Boss during the events of Peace Walker, he'd also know the difference. Also, there was official artwork of Big Boss's charred body and it looked significantly different than the Biomort that was Solidus. Weedle McHairybug 17:56, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Liquid was TWO YEARS OLD in Peace Walker. How the hell would he meet Big Boss? He was a baby at the time. And Fantomas clearly has a short attention span. Big Boss' body was NEVER in the van. He was in that boat aka "Pyx". Ocelot took his body and burned the "Pyx". EVA did not know that the body that Vamp threw into the fire was Solidus's. Deal with it, Fantomas. --72.186.96.252 13:07, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * You might as well ask how Liquid Snake even learned of the Les Enfants Terribles, or how he was acting as though he actually met Big Boss in Metal Gear Solid/Twin Snakes. I mean, it highly unlikely that Liquid would have found out about his origins from the SAS, SIS, US Goovernment, or the US Armed Forces, considering how that is highly classified information, and besides which, Solid Snake, his twin brother, never even knew about the Les Enfants Terribles project prior to Liquid telling him about it, never mind his involvement in the project. Also, in regards to EVA, there would be absolutely no way that she would mistake Solidus's body with Big Boss's body on the PYX, even disregarding the eyepatch's location. Going by what Big Boss said in Naked Sin/Naked Son, EVA and the Paradise Lost army had not only hooked him up to a machine, but they also replaced many organs and body parts (including, presumably, his skin and eyes, going by what Solidus's body looked like when Snake saw him), and the way he was referring to the process implied that it was happening sometime before Solid Snake paid EVA a visit. Weedle McHairybug 14:38, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Another thing that doesn't make sense: Do you really think if Liquid Ocelot had gotten his hands on the real Big Boss, he would have just let him go? No, he would have destroyed his body too, most likely. Liquid hated Big Boss. Your whole theory is just fanwank. It's not really much of a stretch that maybe EVA was just keeping her cover intact by leaping into the fire after Big Boss. Or maybe (as shown by the scene earlier where she thinks Snake is Big Boss) even though she knew it was Solidus, she was hallucinating and thought it was actually Big Boss. --Fantomas 14:56, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and besides which, not only would Liquid "hate" Big Boss, "Liquid" Ocelot not throwing Big Boss's corpse into the fire would be a big blunder in regards to his plans (Remember, the reason why "Liquid" Ocelot decided to fake possession from Liquid was so he could trick the Patriots AIs into thinking that Liquid had resurfaced and try to focus on him while the real threat to their existance (IE, Solid Snake/Old Snake) can [albeit unknowingly] shut them down. In order to trick the Patriots into thinking that Liquid has resurfaced, he needs to be exactly like Liquid in terms of mannerisms [or, to quote Osiris from "Tropic Thunder:" "I'mma not gona break character until the DVD release"]. That means he can't afford to save Big Boss if he manages to get his body, if he is to act in character.). Granted, Liquid Ocelot really needed to work on the voice [I mean, he did kinda mess up on the voice acting of Liquid, since he sounded more like Revolver Ocelot in terms of Voice Acting than Liquid.], but still. Weedle McHairybug 15:05, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Secret Service
Is it in an optional codec conversation that Snake mentions that? I've been playing MGS2 since release and I have no memory of him saying anything like that. I'll see if I can find it on YouTube or something. --Fantomas 22:33, December 17, 2009 (UTC

RE: Hi. I'd like to know a few things.
Spy report for Venus is:

Power Substation - Alien Invasion? "A female dressed as what can only be described as a Venusian has been sighted at the Substation. The subject appears to be armed."

Spy report for Teliko is:

Guest House - Alien Sighting? "A female wearing a bizarre outfit has been spotted at the Guest House. The subject appears to be armed."

Will try looking for other parts of the script relating to the two.

Bluerock


 * Ah ok, just saw your last message, guess you don't need these. -- Bluerock 17:39, December 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I didn't. But thanks anyways, and good luck. I also wrote a blog requesting help related to a mission. Weedle McHairybug 17:40, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Fantomas, permission to create an article detailing the plotline of Peace Walker?
I'd rather we waited until the game is out, to be honest. The game itself might also give us a better title to use for the article. --Fantomas 21:39, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Metal Gear VRC-4
Hey Weedle, The VRC-4 was just another name for the original TX-55 model, not the main upgraded version, "Metal Gear 2", at the end of the game. --Bluerock 15:18, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'm American too
I live in Florida but I was born in New Jersey.

Me too. Mgstec 03:22, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Good enough for me.
Thanks! :)

Yep, that's me.
I'm glad that Minet is returning for Peace Walker. Her return surprised me. I just wish people would stop saying that she's West.

Cuban Cigars are illegal in the United States?
I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. --70.126.138.212 15:20, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Whatever I say goes? I ain't some arrogant know-it-all. If I see something that's incorrect, I erase it.


 * I wasn't trying to imply that at all. I was just saying it as a form of respect, that's all. Weedle McHairybug 00:49, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

In that case, I apologise. I don't particularly enjoy omitting other people's additions and I try to avoid doing so as much as possible but if it's either wrong or unneeded, it can't stay, can it?

Real name
Hey Weedle,

I noticed your comment on Fantomas's page regarding the safety of putting your real name. In my opinion, its not that good an idea since you can't really specify you can see your user page or not, so really anyone can see it.

Although, I myself have, no one has bothered to track me down, though its probably because I live all the way in the UK. The worst thing that happened was when some unknown IP tried using my real name, and home country, during some dispute, to get a reaction from me. But I just shrugged it off and made a joke back to him (I think its the same guy who seems to hate Fantomas for some reason).

Anyway, just my experiences.

Bluerock 14:41, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, no one has, aside from the IP Bluerock mentioned. And like Bluerock, I also hail from the UK. The IP sometimes uses my name in an attempt to sound scary and intimidating, and once looked me up on Facebook (despite apparently not having an account) and then referred to me as an Albino, which is funny because my Facebook profile pic (which is the only picture of me he'd be able to see without adding me as a friend) has never been an actual picture of myself for this very reason. I have no idea who he actually found. --Fantomas 14:56, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok. It's just that where I hailed from, which are some Pokemon Fansites, especially BMGf and SPPf, have basically been merciless towards me because I'm a Misty fan. I was even sent to the Hall of Shame in the former just because I wanted to help my friends bring back Misty, seeing how they were upset and wanting her to come back. Also, I'll admit that while I don't really have anything against you, I have been nervous about Mod-types, due to my experiences on SPPf and BMGf. If they knew my real name, I feared that things would ultimately end up getting worse. Basically, we Misty fans have been victims of bashing, and only we Misty fans seemed to suffer from it, while the ones that are hurting us either aren't being stopped, or are actually being praised for what they are doing. Weedle McHairybug 15:02, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * When I was at school kid's used to make fun of me for being a Misty fan. I would just like to say this though: if you were to put your name on your user page, the odds of it bringing around people who just want to be assholes is actually pretty slim, and even if they were it's not the sort of behaviour I tolerate at all here. --Fantomas 15:14, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That gives me enough willpower to add it in. Of course, then again, the template apparently isn't working. I inputted the template code, yet it comes up as a red tag. Weedle McHairybug 15:35, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * EDIT: I made the template using Wikitext, BTW. Weedle McHairybug 15:45, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I really don't care whether you post your real name. It's your account. I'm not going to track you down and harm you. I live in another state for Christ's sake. I've never revealed my real full name on the internet and I never will. I will say that I live in Florida though. And yes, I hate Fantomas. He's a jerk. Anyway, I was a Pokemon fan myself back in 1998, 1999 and 2000. Too bad Misty never hooked up with Ash. Have a good day. --70.127.201.57 17:05, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I wasn't sure at first, mainly because of how it is implied that if you leak out your real name they'll either steal your identity or you'll get yourself into a lot of trouble from a potential bad person. For example, in Sister Sister, Tia and Tamera had met someone online claiming to be a famous fashion designer named "Verique," that person later revealed to be a scam artist/grade A sex offender, Tamera decided to sneak out to meet him, causing Tia to try and chase after her, causing the both of them to get into deep trouble when meeting him. One of the episodes of Smart Guy, while toned down a notch, covered a similar plotline, and in the case of a movie starring Sinbad known as First Kid, an online "friend" of The President of the United States's son was later revealed to be a deranged ex-secret service member who wanted to kill him due to his costing him his job. I didn't want to meet similar risks with it. However, after learning from you guys about it being low, I decided to try and risk it. However, the name template is currently not working for unknown reasons. Weedle McHairybug 22:27, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

RE: San Hieronymo Takeover
I will see what I can do when I have the time. I'll try and keep the important plot points in there, while any info relating to specific characters and their development can probably be removed since they will probably already have been noted in their respective articles. Bluerock 17:02, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ahh, so it was you who wrote the long version of that article. Sorry I sort of stopped summarising it, but I have a very short attention span for things of this nature. --Fantomas 17:51, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Metal Gear REX Mass-Production
Hey Weedle,

I think you should remove your edits concerning REX's mass production. It was REX's blueprints that were sold to other countries, not the weapon itself. The countries themselves built their own versions of REX from these blueprints, so they are not mass-produced since they are not all the same, and are derivatives of the original. The railgun would have been removed from the plans themselves.

Bluerock 13:44, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

RE: About your timeline...
You mean my personal timeline? I don't know really, I've just never thought of it as being part of the events. I think that's after the point where the real world events and the MGS world diverge completely away from each other. Who knows? --Fantomas 23:14, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

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NSA Codebreaker
Hey Weedle, Are you sure that the real NSA codebraker was also named EVA? Or was that just the name she thought up on the spot? --Bluerock 18:56, February 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure Zero had mentioned when talking to Snake that the two NSA codebreakers in the Soviet Union were named ADAM and EVA, which means that was indeed the codename for the NSA codebreaker. Weedle McHairybug 19:00, February 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, ok then, couldn't remember. --Bluerock 19:10, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

So your real name is Eric James Otness.
Interesting, your last name is new to me. I've never heard of Otness.


 * Otness is not a really common last name, not even in Norway (Since I'm of Norwegian Descent.), so I really don't blame you for not hearing it. Actually, the name "Otness" is so rare that anyone in America with the last name of Otness is very likely to be a relative of some sort. To be honest, the last name wasn't even the last name of my Great Grandparents when they were in Norway before they moved to America. They named their last names after their old farm, the North Otness Farm (Derived from an old farm "Ot" near the Lake ("Ness").). Weedle McHairybug 14:57, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

RE: EVA
Yeah, I know sorry. The wiki neglected to tell me that you had made an edit so it got deleted by mistake. I added it in again anyway.--Bluerock 16:38, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know who the actor model was or if there even is an actor model.
I think Miller, Marcova and Marv's models were probably not based on any celebrities. --Socom64 19:42, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Where did it say that Sniper Wolf was born in 1983?
I believe you but I've never heard about that before. 70.126.138.182 23:21, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * It was stated in the Timeline article. Specifically, in the 1980s section. Weedle McHairybug 23:40, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday
--Bluerock 11:06, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * And from me, keep up the good work! --Fantomas 11:21, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Ocelot having that duel with Big Boss during the 60s?
When was the novel released? 2003? As you know, Snake Eater came out in 2004 so the duel thing would be moot if the novel was released after that.
 * No, it came out just before MGS4 did. --Fantomas 16:37, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fantomas is right, and the novelization even foreshadowed Naked Sin/Naked Son where Snake attempted to commit suicide in front of Big Boss's grave. My point still stands as the game did not have that mention originally. Weedle McHairybug 16:39, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks.
 * You're welcome. And next time, please try to find a better arguement than it's not in the games when trying to argue canon. Weedle McHairybug 16:55, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

RE: So, Psycho Mantis was using stealth?
When the info on it possibly being some psychokinetic power was added (was it you?), I did actually consider that it might have been. But a Codec conversation with Otacon, when Meryl is under Mantis's control, says otherwise:

Otacon: Someone else must be controlling Meryl. Do something, Snake...save her.

Snake: What am I supposed to do? I don't even know where he is.

Otacon: Probably somewhere close by. He's just invisible.

Snake: How?

Otacon: Stealth camouflage. A technology I developed... Stealth camouflage works by bending the light around the user in such a way that they're rendered nearly invisible. But if you had Thermal Goggles, you'd be able to see him. Anyway, you can't see him with your naked eyes, but there must be some way to make him show up.


 * Ah. Ok. Well, is it at least all right if I add in that whether he was using stealth camouflage or using psychokinesis to cloak himself in his trivia section? Weedle McHairybug 19:47, February 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * You mean suggest that either is possible? I wouldn't bother. More Codec dialogue suggests that it is actually stealth camo:

Snake: I can't see Mantis!

Campbell: Snake, he has mind powers, but he's not a magician.

Snake: I get it. Stealth camouflage maybe?

No problem.
I'm glad I could help. By the way, what does the name "Weedle McHairybug" mean? Anyway, have a good night.70.126.138.182 23:16, February 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, it's a long story. Basically I was a Pokemon fan. However, I was also a Star Fox fan as well (the very first Star Fox game I played was Star Fox 64), I made a bit of a story in my head that combined those two franchises together, and then some, into this story called "Pokemon Crew." Basically, it was the Pokemon version of Star Fox. My username was based off of the lead character. Most of the characters names were based off of certain species of Pokemon. As Weedle's name implies, he was based off of the Pokemon Weedle. He was also based off of the main character of Star Fox, Fox McCloud (which also explains his last name.). Star Fox and Pokemon weren't the only franchises that I used to create it, however. I also used Beast Wars: Transformers as an inspiration for one of the storylines as well. Weedle McHairybug 23:22, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

RE: You said that Big Boss was stated in official documents pertaining to Metal Gear Solid to be in his 70s when defeated, right?
Yes, these biographies seem to be difficult to find on the internet, but I found them on Konami's official site for MGS (its in Jpanese but the stats are in english). They have been printed in other media such as the Art of Metal Gear Solid book, but this is the most direct source I can find []. Other character bios are on this site too, which is where I got all the height measurements from. --Bluerock 08:25, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I know.
Huey is definitely related to Otacon though. He looks just like him. --70.126.138.28 21:32, February 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, he is definitely related to him. Although I kinda wish Hideo Kojima would give a better hint as to who Huey is other than "Huey is exactly who you think he is." I mean, at least when he said that about Naked Snake, there was no one else that it could have been (Solid Snake wasn't born yet in the setting of MGS3, and neither were Liquid or Solidus, so the only person that it could have been was Big Boss.). However, Otacon has two people in his family that could easily match that description: His father, and his Grandfather. I might bet my cyber-dollars that Huey might be his father, though, since his being in a wheelchair may explain how Otacon's dad was able to successfully drown himself in a pool. However, I won't hold to it until we have valid confirmation. Weedle McHairybug 21:39, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, Eric.
Ocelot doesn't specify the war he fought in. He only tells Snake that he fought in a war in Chad. I suggest you at least try to play some of the other Metal Gear games. Here's the conversation.

Ocelot: I've fought wars in Afghanistan, Mozambique, Eritrea, and Chad. Among the Mujahaddin guerrillas, I was known and feared as "Shalashaska". I was trained by the Russian GRU. I am not like one of those KGB slugs. To me, this isn't torture...It's a sport.

Snake: You're all just a bunch of sadists.

Ocelot: Don't confuse me with those uniformed fools.

70.126.139.90 13:36, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Changes to Mi-24 entry undone.
So I see. Fair enough, changes undone.

Question about Psycho Mantis battle from the novel.
How did Snake manage to beat him in the novel? He obviously didn't change controllers but how did he manage to avoid having his mind read?70.127.204.161 13:50, March 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, technically, he didn't avoid having his mind read at first (He encounters Master Miller in the Commander's room, which upon leaving it he enters Kiddieland, Master Miller abandons him, Meryl apparently goes nuts in the park, he chases her into the Funhouse, where he sees three mirrors being occupied by three people: Meryl, Otacon, and, yes, even Big Boss. Meryl and Otacon are pleading with Snake to get them out, but Big Boss seemed to be resigned to his fate in the mirror. However, Big Boss does plead with Snake to give Snake the passcodes, or otherwise he'll die a horrendous death. When Snake states he doesn't even know the passcodes... well, long story short, Big Boss ended up having his brains pouring out of him.) Snake does eventually resist, however. Also, he had a bit of trouble lifting his SOCOM off of his holster, though (first it appeared as though it was scorching hot, then later, he ended up having trouble lifting it.). Snake also managed to beat Psycho Mantis by tricking him into levitating the entire room (Snake accidentally discovered his weakness when he first broke out of Mantis's hold and fired a round. Apparently, Psycho Mantis has trouble focusing on keeping Snake at bay if he is busy levitating objects.). After he levitated the entire room (well, you know, the contents), Snake then fired a round at his knees. Weedle McHairybug 14:01, March 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow, thanks. By the way, I've noticed the edit war on Solid Snake's page. I believe the novel is partly canon but it is inaccurate on some stuff. Gray Fox was killed when Liquid crushed him like a bug. He didn't die with his body intact in the games. And none of the games say Solid Snake was born in New Mexico. Finally, Otacon never told Snake that Johnny was a head technician in the games either. --70.127.204.161 18:36, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Technically, none of the games really covered that much on the Les Enfants Terribles project, so we shouldn't say what did take place and what didn't in regards to that aspect. I also noticed that part about Gray Fox and placed it in the Behind the Scenes section (well, techically I placed it in the Trivia section, but Bluerock decided to split it up.). As for Johnny Sasaki, I doubt he would have been a Genome Soldier in the first place even without the novel (It's heavily implied in MGS1 that the way Genome Soldiers get their genes enhanced with those of Big Boss was through shots, and given Johnny's issue with shots, there would have been no way he would have been a Genome Soldier.). His being brainwashed and being a former technician at Shadow Moses was probably a bit more likely, given the alternative. Weedle McHairybug 18:42, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Liquid Snake's real name and hair. And Patriots
Here's a question that's been buggining me. What's Liquid's Snake real name. We don't know. We know Solidus(George Sears) We know Solid Snake's name (David) last name unknown and we know Big Boss's real name (John or Jack doe) Anyway What's Liquid's real name? And has his always been blond? During Shadow Moses Liquid was aware of The Patriots so Why didn't Ocelot come out and tell Liquid the truth. He could have used Liquid's help to destroy The Patriots. Would that make more sense instead going through whole the Liquid Ocelot ordeal. I mean they asked Naomi to help. Why not Liquid?


 * They stated that Liquid's name was heavily classified to even the highest member in a chain of command. In short, we don't know. Assuming what Hideo Kojima said was true, we might find out in Peace Walker. His Hair color is never really specified. The TGS2009 shows a kid that Big Boss jumps on to save him from apparently aerial bombing that resembles Liquid, but we don't know for certain yet. Anyways, the kid has blonde hair. However, an interview with Yoji Shinkawa implies that he used to have brown hair just like his brother, but it was bleached to blond by the intense rays from the sun during his time in Iraq. As for why Ocelot didn't tell him, I don't know. Weedle McHairybug 21:31, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

You misunderstood.
The point I was making is that since Big Boss joined FOX in 1960, Python had to have been a member of FOX too since they were on a mission together. 70.126.138.71 22:18, March 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, although the database article for Big Boss doesn't mention that mission that Python was in (Heck, the article didn't even mention Python at all.), which is strange, especially considering how they seemed to have a history. Weedle McHairybug 22:20, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the trailer, Otness.
Peace Walker is going to be a great game. Please try to buy it though. :) --70.127.203.197 18:03, April 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll try to buy it as soon as it comes out in America. However, I won't buy the Japanese release since, to be honest, I don't really understand Japanese. I am going to take a Japanese course over the summer, however. Weedle McHairybug 18:05, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

MGS1
Hey Weedle, I was just wondering if you knew that the original MGS1 game is available to download for PSP. I remember you mentioning a couple of times that you hadn't been able to play much Metal Gear (besides Portable Ops). I don't think it costs that much either (only £7.99 here in UK). --Bluerock 20:39, April 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * If I'm going to go download the original MGS1 game onto my PSP via the PSN, I'll have to go to my local Best Buy (As that's pretty much the only place where a wireless connection can actually work since I don't possess a wireless connection at my house. The main issue is accidentally accessing someone in my neighborhood's account.). Weedle McHairybug 05:29, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Portable Ops Recruitment
Hey Weedle, Yeah, I was aware that Sokolov didn't have his own recruitment section there at the moment, but I was thinking one could be added there in the future. Same for Python, Raikov, Zero etc. Whether they're canon or not doesn't really matter since it won't be part of the article proper, it'll be concerned with gameplay. You could help add these if you wish. --Bluerock 14:20, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll consider Raikov and Sokolov. However, Python's recruitment is already noted in the Trivia Section, and I'm only going to give a section to those that require at least one mission to recruit them, and also has dialogue of some sort. In other words, Zero, Null, Cunningham, Elisa/Ursula, or any of those characters would not get their own sections, and at best can only get a mention in the Behind the Scenes section. Also, I might have to keep the mention of Raikov and Sokolov in the main articles, as they're technically canon, and yet make a recruitment section for the Portable Ops detailing exactly how they are recruitable. Weedle McHairybug 14:33, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. --Bluerock 14:42, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice work on the Sokolov article, may need trimming down a little bit but good start anyway. --Bluerock 15:37, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Peace Walker
I was about to say this to you yesterday but my internet cut out. I actually wanted to avoid Peace Walker spoilers until the game was out in America/Europe, as most of our viewers/users are probably American. But you appear to have poosted info for the entire game up here. I guess we have no chouce but to leave it now. I wanted to avoid spoilers, so I'll be temporarily leaving until the game is released over here in the UK. I hope you and the others will be okay in my absence. --Fantomas 09:06, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

CIA Director > John McCone
I suggest that we change the name of the CIA Director page to John McCone since 2 CIA directors have appeared in the Metal Gear Solid series: John McCone and Hot Coldman. That way we can avoid things like "The DCI, who wasn't the DCI at the time,...." It can be a bit confusing. - Marcaurelix

Solidus Anti-Hero or Villian? Ocelot's Apple.
Here's a question very few ask. Was Solidus a anti-hero or was he a villian? I know his main goal was to destroy The Patriots but at what cost? He seem to have traits of both.

He wanted to save the world. But he was willing to use a nuclear weapons and Metal Gears to do so. So it begs the question who side was Solidus on? Why did Ocelot crush that apple for? What he's got something against apples? If you couldn't tell just by looking at them. How would tell the difference between Revolver Ocelot and Liquid Ocelot in terms of personality?


 * Well, technically, the weapon that Solidus was planning on using was a purified hydrogen bomb that releases an EMP wave to short circuit Manhattan's Wall Street to release the control of The Patriots. As for Ocelot crusing that apple, if you're talking about Liquid Ocelot, it's namely to disavow any remanence of his former self to sell the act, at least to Snake and the Patriots. Revolver Ocelot had more of a western personality, similar to cowboys. Liquid Ocelot was more menacing, and he also acted loud and arrogant (that last part was, of course, based off of Liquid Snake). Weedle McHairybug 05:32, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Pupa
Here's the link that proves the Pupa is similar to the Shagohod. http://www.konami.jp/mgs_pw/en/character/index.html Mgstec 03:29, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Who's the "deviously cunning strategist" Gene mentioned? Coldman or McCone?
I ask this since in Peace Walker, it is revealed that Coldman was the person who actually planned The Boss's defection and death. Then who's the cunning strategist: Coldman or John McCone? Coldman: We used each other. I'll get my old directors job back at headquarters and you'll finally be able to "walk tall" among your colleagues. Huey: Rgh..I wont let you get away with this! Coldman: How unfortunate. Guess I'll just have to take your "legs" for myself! Huey is pushed down
 * Well, from what your saying, it sounds like it was actually Coldman. We assumed it was the DCI previously, due to a lack of info. --Bluerock 09:53, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * This is according to Weedle's info from Peace Walker. But we aren't sure that the info Weedle has given us is accurate. We might need to wait for his response. For the moment, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and I'll make some changes in the wikia. - Marcaurelix
 * Well, it was first alluded that he used to be the Director of the CIA in the scene where Coldman shoves Huey down the stairs. Here's the quote:
 * Huey: You used me


 * The scene can be seen here on Youtube, although I'll warn you, it does deal with Spoilers. His relation to both the Virtuous Mission and Operation Snake Eater was mentioned in the scene where Big Boss was caught by the Peace Sentinels in The Boss's AI. Here's the direct quote:

Snake is punched in the face by Coldman Coldman: I know all about you. Tselinoyarsk? 10 years ago? Snake: You were involved...? Coldman: The operation to eliminate the traitor? I planned the whole thing. Snake: Shouldn't a suit like you be back at Langley? What the hell are you doing here? Coldman:...It's what the CIA does best. Ensure people in the know keep thier mouths shut, or else pack them off someplace where there's no one to listen.
 * Snake: Lobo? Smells like a rotting corpse to me


 * Although that particular scene isn't on Youtube, a similar site has the scene, Justintv. It's here. Other than the obvious warning of spoilers, I should also warn you that most of the site is in Japanese. Hope that answers your question. Given what Coldman said, it's very likely that Coldman was the man who plotted the entire thing. Weedle McHairybug 12:23, May 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm, doesn't really answer the question about whether he was the DCI at the time, just that he planned the operation to kill the Boss. He may have become DCI after his predecessor's death in 1970, and then lost it just before Peace Walker. We need to wait for the whole game first rather than make assumptions. --Bluerock 12:32, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * The scene where he caught Big Boss implies that the reason why he was demoted to the CIA Station Chief of Central America was because he knew too much about the operation and was a convenient way to remove him. The only way that such a possibility should occur is if he was the DCI by the time of Operation Snake Eater, and was then demoted shortly before the mission's end (If the CIA were truly concerned about such information being leaked out, especially by one of their own members, I'm pretty sure that they would do such a thing.). Anyways, at least I tried to explain it. Weedle McHairybug 12:37, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm.
Hmm? I see I've got an unanswer question. Oh well too bad.

Well, I'll be god damned.
You were right about Coldman. I was wrong. The DCI in 1964 was NOT the deviously cunning strategist. Coldman was. I apologize for calling you stupid. For a guy who's autistic, you're definitely smart. :) --70.127.200.182 13:36, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Apology accepted. To be fair, I heard the rumor on Gamefaqs when talking about the TGS2009 trailer, so I can't really take all the credit. Weedle McHairybug 13:53, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ocelot and Peace Walker The Patriots
It would seem that Ocelot doesn't have a role in Peace Walker I've watched the japanese vesion of the game on Justin.tv he doesn't make a appearance in the story. Or for that matter The La-Li-Lu-(Clears throat) I mean The Patriots. So if any of you expecting Ocelot or The La-Li- Uh The Patriots to make an appearance. You'll be sadly disappointed.

Well, I'm not sure whether it's canon.
Some of the extra ops missions involve talking cats and Big Boss fighting a dragon. Then again, I could be wrong. At the very least, the date mission could be considered canon. By the way I saw you mention a timeline in Gamefaqs. Got a link to the translation of the ending credits timeline? 70.127.200.182 21:46, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * You know, I was searching for a translation for the timeline myself. I do know that EVA was briefly mentioned by Snake and Miller, though. I only knew because EVA's name was in plain english. Weedle McHairybug 21:48, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Good luck on that. I'm surprised that Paz dies. I never expected that Big Boss would kill her.--70.127.200.182 19:29, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know. A bit surprising, although I did not anticipate that Paz would act the way she did either. Weedle McHairybug 19:31, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Gray Fox Age unknown confirming
Whether this canon or not I had a source that confirmed me Gray Fox's age from a metal gear website. Gray Fox (A.K.A. Frank Hunter) born 1954 died 2005. would make him 51 when he died. Now bear in mind wherther or not this canon I'm not sure but my friend said this might be canon.


 * Hmm... 1954? Lets see, That would mean that he'd be about twelve during the Mozambician War of Independence, and possibly around 4-11 while in Vietnam when he was forced into hard labor. Approximately 16 by the time of the San Hieronymo Takeover, maybe 17 by its end. I'd say that fits about right. However, just for accuracie's sake, I think you need to post the site's name, to verify if it counts as a source, since, logical or not, we need to know if it is verifiable. Of course, he'd still need a Vietnamese parent, given his heritage. Weedle McHairybug 01:39, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Gray Fox Age confirmed.
I had my source or my friend re check that Metal Gear website. It's an over seas website you would find in your yahoo or at least the american branch. Eurpoean website Metal Gear ultimate Source or something like that. But anyway the source confirms that he was born a year before his parent died during the veitnam war. Gray Fox born 1954 died 2005. making him 16 in Portable Ops. Making him 41 during MG1 45 in MG2. And finally 51 in 2005 MGS1 when he died. It's canon.


 * Ok... Can you at least post the link to the site or the keyword? I'm sorry, but I tried searching Yahoo, but the closest to a site matching that description is omgmetalgear.blogfaction.com. Weedle McHairybug 02:39, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry
Unfortunatly only my friend knows the name of that website but he'd already signed off. So I'll to wait a while before I can E-mail him again. Sorry I can't be much more helpful to you. But I already told you can't find in yahoo. Again sorry. But he confirmed me twice that this is his right age. And that's all I know.

So EVA is in Peace Walker.
I had a feeling that was the case. So did she have new dialogue or was it flashback stuff? I'm surprised The End showed up too. 70.127.203.237 21:16, May 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * A bit of both. EVA's explaination to Big Boss about what The Boss's true mission back in 1964 was heard in a flashback that played shortly after Big Boss euthanized The Boss's Horse while reliving his execution of The Boss. Also, she recorded several tapes for the Militaires Sans Frontieres about The Boss's life, which included explainations on why she had to kill the Sorrow and why she was set up by the government. However, I only read this on GameFAQs, and I can't know exactly what the tapes are about until it hits the US. As for The End, that was quite a shock as well. I'm also surprised that both his english VA and his japanese VA are playing the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Weedle McHairybug 21:25, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Thanks Otness. I'm surprised Suzetta Minet is not a big time voice actresss. EVA is her only role.70.127.203.237 21:27, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, in fact, it's also unknown if she's even a small time voice actress, as there are some hints that she may be an alias. Speaking of which, I was probably thinking of trying to establish contact with Jodi Benson to find out if she was Suzetta Minet. The reason why is because some people are speculating among alias-wise stuff that Suzetta Minet's true identity is either Jodi Benson or Debi Mae West. Since Debi Mae West has already denied being her in a podcast interview, the only suspect left is Jodi Benson, and even then we don't know with absolute certainty. Personally, I don't care if she is her or not, but if it means ending this debate, I'll try and find out the answers myself. Her residence isn't really far from mine, anyways (I live in Dunwoody, Georgia. She lives at Flowery Branch. That's about 42.1 miles apart) and assuming she still isn't working on Toy Story 3 before Peace Walker is released states wise, I might come into contact with her. Weedle McHairybug 21:36, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know. You're that guy from the Simpsons wiki, Imdb, Gamefaqs and Wikipedia. Anyway, good luck. --70.127.203.237 22:01, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Space Seals
Hey Weedle, I know you've read the MGS novel, so I was just wondering something. Is it specifically the Genome Combat Veterans who are nicknamed Space Seals in the book, or could it be refering to the entire Genome Army, as the manual and strategy guide stated this originally? --Bluerock 22:00, May 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure. It's on Page 19. I'll even supply the exact line:


 * "Since they all went through the same gene therapy, they probably felt closer than brothers. They see the unit as their only family. They'll be the usual types of foces: arctic warfare squads, light infantry, NBC warfare squads, and heavily armed troopers." Snake shoook his head. NBC warfare soldiers handled nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. Terrific. "And then there's the cream of the crop," Campbell added. "The Genome Combat Veterans. They'll be dressed in spec-ops black owl Kevlar-armored fatigues. They call themselves Space Seals." "Why?" Snake asked. "Do they sit up, clap their flippers and bark for treats?" No one laughed.


 * Given the way it was written, its implied that they are an entirely different unit within the Next Generation Special Forces. Weedle McHairybug 22:14, May 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes it does seem to imply that. Are they mentioned elsewhere in the book? As in Snake identified them specifically as Space Seals when/if he encountered them rather than the regular soldiers? --Bluerock 22:19, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry to be a pain, just wondering if Benson might have got it confused or something. --Bluerock 22:22, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * They were mentioned elsewhere. The cloaked soldiers that Snake fought onboard the freight elevator on the communications tower were identified as Space Seals. Also, he also hid before entering the storage facility when he witnessed three guards that he immediately identified as Space Seals from a black insignia on snow uniforms. They carried some containers (one a large rectangular box and the other a bulky square container, which contained a Stinger missile launcher with three missiles, and a large supply of C4, claymores, fragmentation grenades and flash grenades, respectively). He learned from eavesdropping on their conversation not only that a third container was stolen by an intruder (either Gray Fox or Solid Snake, it wasn't specified), as well as hinting that a majority of the soldiers ran from the base as a result of Mantis's death, but also briefly mentioning the Hostages (as well as hinting they are located in an area that doesn't have a TV.). Weedle McHairybug 22:38, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah ok, thanks for that. So, they also have a specific insignia as well. Also, I wonder where any deserting soldiers could have run off to since they were on an island (as Otacon points out to Snake, after suggesting that he should escape when the coast was clear)? --Bluerock 22:51, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wherever they went, they certainly used Snowmobiles to escape, as the soldiers stated. Weedle McHairybug 23:19, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Question about Trucks in Portable Ops
Sorry, but I wouldn't really know anything about it, as I know next to nothing about truck/automobile models and such. I think I mentioned a specific truck model for the "Military Resources" section of one of the event articles, as I noticed that someone had identified it as such in the "Trucks" section of the Vehicles article, but the ones in Portable Ops have not been identified by anyone yet. Do they look similar to the ones in Snake Eater? --Bluerock 22:42, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, they don't look like either the Maz-535 nor those gray trucks of which one parked over the manhole cover (on that note, I also don't know what that one is.). They do, however, look similar to the trucks in Peace Walker. Weedle McHairybug 22:48, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Peace Walker event page
Weedle, I know that you might be occupied, but can you please make a Peace Walker event page (you know, like the Shadow Moses Incident or Les Enfants Terribles, for example). - Marcaurelix


 * I'll try to make a first attempt, but the page might look tacky due to the fact that there is barely any information on the game aside from the Graphic Novel Cutscenes and fan-translations of certain cutscenes. By that, I mean english translations, of course. Weedle McHairybug 13:12, May 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. - Marcaurelix


 * Wasn't there a secret telephone call at the end. - Marcaurelix
 * Yes, there was. In fact, there were two. However, I have to wait until June 8th to add ithem in, at the very least, as I can't speak or read Japanese yet. Weedle McHairybug 22:18, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't talking to you.
I was talking to Omega Fighter. I didn't even know you created that sentence. By the way, where have you found those Peace Walker videos? I'm surprised that The Boss was finally exonerated.


 * Well, my primary sources wasn't exactly with the videos as much as with scripts of the graphic novel cutscenes, but they used to air them on justin.tv and Youtube. Of course, for some strange reason, the videos on justin.tv are removed after some time has passed, and in the case of youtube, most of the videos were removed either by the user's own volition (like with MasterMiller's videos) or due to the user being forced to remove the videos due to being tagged with copyright infringement (as was the case with one of the users who got up to the horse being euthanized scene.). Weedle McHairybug 16:06, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for adding to the Peace Walker page.
I knew Coldman was shot in the chest and not in the arm. It's also good to finally know the year Big Boss was born. 70.127.204.44 16:10, May 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * The way the scene was animated made it seem as though he was shot in the arm, that's why I initially thought it was the arm. Weedle McHairybug 16:11, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

You're right
You're right, Weedle. He was talking directly to the Patriots, since the Pentagon is under the control of the Patriots. - Marcaurelix

CIA involvement in Vietnam
Hey Weedle, I think you may have added too much info to the timeline pages in regards to this. Perhaps it would be a better idea just to state when CIA involvement began and when it ended (concerning the war), rather than mention every single aspect of it. --Bluerock 17:50, May 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, I will. However, I might have to keep the whole OSS part, since its technically separate from the CIA. Also, I'm keeping the CIDGs info in there because Portable Ops implied that Big Boss and Jack participated in founding the CIDGs as part of a CIA assignment. Weedle McHairybug 17:55, May 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * What's the significance of OSS again? Also, for the CIDGs info, do you mean Jack and The Boss? And where was it implied? I think some references would help for some of these more obscure points. Thanks. --Bluerock 18:13, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the OSS, also known as the Office of Strategic Services, was the predecessor of the CIA, and the main spy network for World War II. Considering the mention of the start of the CIA's activities in Vietnam being in the timeline, as well as the mention of the OSS becoming the CIA in the same timeline, it seemed to flow easier, plus it gives continuity as well, as mentioning the part about his Lansdon's involvement in that area would confuse people reading the timeline. As for the whole CIDGs info being implied, its the part before Snake and Python fight, where Python mentioned that their last mission together was nearly ten years prior, which Snake explained was a top secret mission in Vietnam. The closest event in question to Python and Snake's description was the CIDGs info. I didn't even think of it until Marcelieux added in the link to that article about the CIDG from wikipedia to Big Boss's article in the part about his mission with Python. Weedle McHairybug 18:20, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Tselinoyarsk
Where did you find the info on Tselinoyarsk and Zanzibar Land being the same place? Do you have a reference? Up until now the games never made this clear, though I remember this being speculated back in the day of MGS3's release. --Bluerock 19:06, June 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Apparently there was a novelization of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots released in Japan under the author Ito Keikaku. He's dead now, and apparently Peace Walker was dedicated to him. Anyways, apparently this novel stated that Zanzibar Land, the country that owed Big Boss for their independence, was originally called Tselinoyarsk. That's all I've heard and that's all I know. Weedle McHairybug 19:10, June 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * So, I guess we really don't have any proof at the moment then? Hopefully, someone who can read Japanese can provide an actual reference to this, or else it could be seen as speculation. --Bluerock 19:20, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Metal Gear Solid Guns of the Patriots, by Itō Keikaku (ISBN978-4-04-707244-2), page 240. 87.231.1.181 05:56, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Weedle McHairybug 13:20, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you also have a line from the actual text (an approximate translation)? Just to put it in context, was this revealed in Big Mama's speech to Solid Snake, or was this fact stated elsewhere? Thanks. --Bluerock 17:50, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. I'll try to find out soon, though. Weedle McHairybug 17:54, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I know from my source that the line in question is definitely not in Big Mama's speech. It is, however, in the Narration. I'll find out the exact line. Weedle McHairybug 18:54, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Any news on that? --Bluerock 18:14, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing yet. I'm taking a Japanese course, so I could try to buy and read that novelization, and translate it as I read it in case I ever find it. Weedle McHairybug 18:16, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * No need to do that just to find out, I was just wondering out of interest. I'm surprised your source couldn't just give you the line of text. --Bluerock 18:22, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * No need to do that just to find out, I was just wondering out of interest. I'm surprised your source couldn't just give you the line of text. --Bluerock 18:22, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Yeah
I'm just saying that you would think that the fire from the explosion would kill her. Then again, Liquid survived fire twice. I don't know. If Paz shows up alive in a future game, I'll apologize.

Also, I've read some of that Metal Gear Solid novel on Google. I'm not sure how canon it is. In the novel, Naomi immediately points out that Big Boss is Snake's father yet in the game, she doesn't know until Snake is captured. At the most, the beginning of the novel, Johnny being a technician and the way Master Miller died can be considered canon. That's about it. 70.127.202.62 16:18, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, IDR
Sorry, I did write that page on purpose, but it was only because I wanted help to learn on creating a page that was not messed up, like the Successor Project one.

BTW, I'm dead, aren't I?


 * Well, as long as you don't do it again, I'll spare you. Besides, I and several other members would probably go to jail anyways if we decided to kill you, and I don't have the authority to even ban you, anyways. At best, I could report you. Weedle McHairybug 21:18, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't actually agree with it, Weedle.
I just didn't have a choice. You and the British guy would just tell Fantomas to lock all four pages. And Kojima DID do something similar. You see them dying after six minutes if you run away, hence, they still die even if you don't run away. They are no longer in their suits if you knock them out and they can't survive very long without the suits. Why you and the two British guys can't understand that is still a mystery to me.72.186.97.147 19:25, June 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * You know, you could have just left the site if you didn't actually agree with it. That in itself is a choice. And I kinda meant 100% guaranteed that they died in that they showed the exact same cutscene each time regardless of how Snake does it, similar to how the boss fights in MGS3, or at least the Cobra Unit itself, were handled, in that even if defeated Non-lethally, the cutscene afterwards always remains exactly the same. In my mind, if I had done that, I'd still have the cutscene of the BATB unit blowing up if Snake/the player tranquilized them just to ENSURE that there is absolutely no chance of them surviving. Just something to mull over, anyways. And anyways, that's just me. If you think they died, then hey, they're dead to you, but we kinda need facts that are absolute 100% guaranteed, so even one difference, no matter how minor it is, is enough to not make it settled in my mind, and that might also be another reason why Fantomas and Bluerock are unable to state they're definitely dead. The only reason we label the others as dead is because unlike the Beauty and the Beast Unit, or Python, even, they always have the Bosses that Snake/Big Boss/Raiden meet their fates the exact same way even if Tranquilized or otherwise non-lethally defeated. Weedle McHairybug 19:32, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * What's this pointless rambling your talking about. You've wasted eight lines of space for this? This topic is boring. In the words of the March Hare. I've got a better idea. Let's chance the subject.
 * User 72.186.97.147 was stating that it's not his opinion, but fact that the Beauty and the Beast unit was killed, and that it shouldn't even be debated. However, several users already have stated, including myself, that it isn't 100% confirmed, I also pointed out that he agreed to using the term Neutralized for the four members articles. That's what we were talking, or rambling, about. Weedle McHairybug 00:16, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you blind? I NEVER agreed to it. I just didn't have a choice. Also, their deaths are 100% percent confirmed. Dialogue and and running away from the four beasts for six minutes confirmed that. You and your two friends are too stubborn to accept that. Finally, I don't plan on leaving this website for the time being. It's a good website even though it's filled with moronic jackasses. Hopefully, you and Bluerock will vanish one day like Chaos91 and Ocelot Youth. --72.186.97.147 12:54, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * If they wanted it to be 100% absolutely, why didn't they have the exact same cutscene play regardless of how you defeat them. By that, I meant that if you defeat the Beauties non-lethally, they still explode. Similar to how the Cobra Unit still exploded even if they were defeated nonlethally. See what I'm trying to get at? It would have been far simpler to do that just to ensure that no one even THINKS they'll survive. I know if I worked on MGS4 and I wanted them to be dead no matter what, then I would program the beauty fights so that even IF the player manages to tranquilize them, they'd still explode regardless, as that will make absolutely no one doubt their fate, making it absolutely 100% clear in everybody's mind, just like the Cobra Unit. Weedle McHairybug 13:33, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * They are not going to show Snake waiting six minutes after knocking them out. They are DEAD, you fool. DEAD! They DIE off-screen if you knock them out. Snake even tells Otacon that the wolfs are now guarding the GRAVE of Crying Wolf. But you wouldn't know that because you NEVER PLAYED the game. God, you are a stubborn dense child. You go ahead and believe that the beasts magically woke up and lived happily ever after if it makes you feel better. --72.186.97.147 13:40, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Child? 72, I'm 20 years old, and as soon as Valentines Day (my birthday) comes around, I'll be 21, so I'm far from a child. And I didn't even mention anything about waiting six minutes. Ok, if you want an example of what I mean by that, in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, regardless of how it is handled, the Cobra Unit dies the exact same way in the exact same cutscene, like for example The End's cutscene here. Personally, I don't even care if they lived or not, but that doesn't mean I should let them say that they are dead unless it is confirmed the EXACT same way that Metal Gear Solid The Twin Snakes, Metal Gear Solid 2, Metal Gear Solid 3, and even Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops did their boss fights. Weedle McHairybug 13:48, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20? Are you in college? You said that Obama wrote you a letter or something. He didn't become president until last year. Anyway, I'm 22. --72.186.97.147 15:57, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm in college. In fact, this fall I'll be in my second year of College. And Obama wrote me that presidential letter as part of an awards ceremony when I was a Senior in High School, and I graduated in 2009. And it doesn't matter if you are two years older than me, that still doesn't make me a child as childhood ends at 13, and adulthood is reached between 18 and 21. Weedle McHairybug 16:03, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm in college. In fact, this fall I'll be in my second year of College. And Obama wrote me that presidential letter as part of an awards ceremony when I was a Senior in High School, and I graduated in 2009. And it doesn't matter if you are two years older than me, that still doesn't make me a child as childhood ends at 13, and adulthood is reached between 18 and 21. Weedle McHairybug 16:03, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

New Subject.
If you wish to talk about something. Talk about Metal Gear Rising. And E3.


 * Ok, I guess we're going to have Rising take place between 2 and 4. We know its most likely going to cover rescuing Sunny from The Patriots, as well as his allying himself with Paradise Lost. Maybe, similar to Big Boss in MGS4, we'll get our first voiced appearance of Dr. Madnar, assuming what he said about Madnar saving him was true. Heck, maybe we'll even get some flashbacks to when he was in the Small Boy Unit (It was implied that he did get his PTSD reactivated to a greater degree than before before the events of MGS4.). Weedle McHairybug 00:35, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hopefully, you'll actually PLAY the game this time instead of WATCHING videos from YouTube.--72.186.97.147 12:56, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * If XBOX 360s are rentable, I will (since I have absolutely no intention of actually owning an XBOX 360, especially not for one game alone.). Weedle McHairybug 13:14, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL, what a surprise. Also, Rising is also for PS3 and PC. Anyway, Rising will definitely be a great game. --72.186.97.147 13:27, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll probably be ok with PCs, although I'm not too certain about whether it would work (I actually tried to play Rock Raiders from Lego on the PC, but trying to even get it started was almost impossible.). Weedle McHairybug 13:34, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * You are hopeless. This wiki is going to be filled with incorrect information once Rising comes out. All of that will come from you. --72.186.97.147 13:46, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * All right! All right! I'll get the PC version. However, I do read stuff and analyze them. Weedle McHairybug 13:50, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * And Hideo Kojima will not be directing it. Instead they got some new guy to do it. But he'll still be the producer.
 * And Hideo Kojima will not be directing it. Instead they got some new guy to do it. But he'll still be the producer.

Got Meryl Age wrong. I know all ages
Just to let you know you guys got Meryl's age wrong. She was born 1986. Mei Ling was born 1987. How do I know this? Because the original MGS1 game briefing scene already stated their ages. Mei Ling born 1987 Meryl Silverburgh born 1986. Nastasha born 1976. Sniper Wolf born 1983. I should know I played the original MGS1 game. I know what I'm talking about. Raiden was born 1984 Naomi Hunter was born 1982. Vamp was born 1979. Gray Fox (I got the age wrong sorry) born 1953. (Sorry again).
 * The first game only gave their approximate ages, e.g. thirties, twenties, teens, it never said the exact year in which they were born, only the decade, if that. --Bluerock 05:47, June 24, 2010 (UTC) Sorry I got the age wrong for Naomi Hunter born 1978 sorry. I got Vamp's age wrong. born 1977. Sorry.

Nukes
The nukes that Liquid intended to use were from Shadow Moses, for the same reason as the railgun, in that they weren't controlled by SOP. He says earlier that he knows where to find "nukes they don't control". The nukes in the storage building did have their warheads removed at the time of Old Snake's infiltration, but I don't think it ever said by whom. Possibly, it was Liquid himself. --Bluerock 17:35, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry!
The timeline was so fast, I couldn't read all of it. 70.127.203.117 17:40, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I know what you mean. I had to watch the cutscene twice just to get those things down from 1980. However, I do know of an alternative way, which is Youtube. It allows you to pause if you wish to read what's being said. Weedle McHairybug 17:50, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the Huey edit!
I guess it's possible that Strangelove is Otacon's mother but if that were true, you'd think that it would be mentioned in the ending credits timeline. Then again, Sigint turned out to be the DARPA chief. 70.127.203.117 20:37, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know. I mean, the closest to a hint that Sigint was Donald Anderson was with the MGS3 Ending Timeline mentioning that he helped found ARPAnet. Anyways, I think we can both agree that Julie Danziger is highly unlikely to be Strangelove, as she would be far too old by that point (I'm not certain if she could even produce children by then), plus, her being attracted to people who can stand up for themselves or not, having her marry that Robinson guy would not have been in-character for her at all, as she would not have married someone who was willing to sexually assault her daughter. Weedle McHairybug 20:48, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Laughing Rods are you kidding?
In the japanese version of Peace Walker Dr, Strangelove use Laughing Rods? Are you kiddning me? Their reason is (Mockingly) Because japanese don't believe in torture. Oh give me a break. They think they're so pure and innocent. Bullsh$t. There is nothing pure about them. This is one of the reasons why the japanese think they're better than Americans.


 * It's because the game had to fall in the T rating. Have an issue with that? Go bother Hideo since it was his idea to drop the violence to make it accessible for younger audiences. Meanwhile, take your bullshit Nationalism elsewhere. --69.225.116.149 05:24, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

WHOA! That NORAD thing really exists?
Shit, I thought that was just some thing Big Boss thought up. I never thought that NORAD actually created some little holiday thing to make kids believe that "they are in contact with Santa Claus". Go figure that Big Boss believed in the program for twenty years. Anyway, thanks for the link. At you least you are a little smart. 72.186.97.84 15:29, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * What's even funnier is that the entire holiday tradition that NORAD created was created completely by accident. Apparently, a local Dime shop in Colorado gave phone numbers to have the children call Santa and find out where he is, but they misprinted the phone numbers: Turns out the phone number for the store was mixed up with NORAD's number. Weedle McHairybug 15:35, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Chico tapes
Ha, I assumed the MH ops were unlocked after completing all the extra ops. I wasn't too bothered about doing them until afterwards anyway. I assume listening to all the tapes will unlock the ZEKE battle too? P.S. Talk on my page if you want to specifically talk to me, so as not to clutter up other user's pages. --Bluerock 20:59, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoah, thanks. I will eventually get round to the MH missions at some point. Also, that's a strange way of unlocking that battle with ZEKE, almost seems like a bonus mission rather than part of the plot. The reason I probably seem a bit clueless is because I don't tend to look at walkthroughs until after I've completed the game for myself. I like to try and figure out strategies and such myself. But I doubt I would have even found ZEKE with it being in the most unlikely Extra Op I'd want to play again. --Bluerock 21:28, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Of course I did.
The only briefing tape I didn't manage to unlock was the one involving Miller and Zero. I beat the main story and all of the Monster Hunter missions. 72.186.97.84 22:10, July 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * That question was actually directed towards Bluerock, but I apologize for the confusion. Weedle McHairybug 22:11, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Yeah!
I know you played both PSP games. Thank you for playing Peace Walker. I liked it myself but a lot of the extra ops missions are hard. I wasn't able to beat all of the extra ops mission. The Peace Walker battle was HARD. The Zeke fights were thankfully more easier. Zadornov escaping six times was HILARIOUS. Thank goodness, Miller and Big Boss aren't in charge of Florence's supermax prison.

Miller: Snake, it uh happened again. The Unabomber escaped. :D

Anyway, I hope you manage to play Rising some day. 72.186.97.84 16:29, July 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, depending on whether I find a place to rent an Xbox 360, I might be able to play Rising. No offense, but I'm not really an Xbox kind of person, or even a Playstation kind of person. I only allowed for PSP as an exception to my strict nintendo-related policy.


 * And I agree with you in regards to the Peace Walker battles (at least Type II and Custom), and it's not even the battle itself that is irritating me as much as trying to get all those AI chips. I mean, either I end up dying before I could even get the chance to get to the Reptile Pod or the Reptile Pod just doesn't have the chips that I desperately need to complete the AI.


 * And at least they tried to remove the most likely cause of his escape (they removed his red hand after his first escape as well as maximizing security), they just failed to take into account that Paz was doing it in time. Weedle McHairybug 18:33, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Why would believe Peace Walker is...
Here's something. Why do they keep calling Peace Walker The Boss. Why don't they just except that she's dead? Didn't Eva already explained why The Boss did what she had to do? Why are they keep throwng it in our faces over and over again? How did that (cough) female Metal Gear prove The Boss's innocence? It's a machine it doesn't feel. It doesn't have a heart. Why don't they just leave it alone?

2, Was Peace Walker being controlled by the real spirit of The Boss when it drowned herself in the lake? Or was it acting on it's own?

Huh?
What does a Cellphone have to do with Peace Walker drowning herself in the lake. I'm talking about The Boss. NOT a cellphone. GOT IT?!


 * When did I mention a Cellphone in regards to Peace Walker's fate? Weedle McHairybug 12:39, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think he was referring to a previous comment about the Codec by IP:70/72. Gekkou25 didn't realize it was a different topic, despite it clearly being under a new section. It was removed anyway, so don't know why he's complaining about it now. --Bluerock 12:47, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

ZEKE's S-mines
You accidently deleted the whole infobox, but I added in the S-mines for you. --Bluerock 20:53, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I really seem to have bad luck with the infoboxes. I mean, several times, I try to click "edit", and yet I either can't access it due to it jumping away, being able to edit it and yet somehow messing up the entire page, or something like this. Weedle McHairybug 21:10, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Mech needs to be fixed
How exactly are you trying to edit it/change it? It's based on the character/weapon infoboxes so I'm not sure what the problem could be? I always edit in source text so maybe that's why it doesn't happen for me? --Bluerock 05:52, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Edit comments
Hey Weedle, I noticed that a lot of your edit comments are a bit too long, and so they get cut off, and your whole message can't be seen. Just letting you know. --Bluerock 06:19, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Strangelove
Isn't saying that it "never progressed beyond a one-sided relationship" an assumption. Or was there dialogue to back that up? Also, a close relationship doesn't necessarily mean anything to do with being sexually intimate, as was the case with The Boss and Naked Snake. --Bluerock 00:02, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Solid/Liquid Snake Dominant vs. Recessive.
I understand the inferior and superior, that Liquid misbelived. But, the genetics shoudn't be related to the "inferior and superior" analogy. I'm sure Solid Snake still represents Big Boss's dominant genes. In biology, the dominant gene is the one that is "present" in the phenotype and the recessive is "hidden" in the phenotype. So if Liquid Snake has all of Big Boss's dominant genes, won't Naked Snake in MGS3 have Liquid Snake's features instead of Solid Snake's? Also, Ocelot only says Solid Snake was the "inferior" one, not the recessive one. 71.141.228.12 21:01, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Pro-tip: never try to bring real world genetics into the world of Metal Gear. The game never implies anything more tangible than "recessive = inferior, dominant = superior", so trying to bring real world genetics into the equation simply causes headaches, and we are never given enough information to decode it in any other fashion. The reason Big Boss/Naked Snake in MGS3 looks more like Solid than Liquid is because Kojima wanted to trick people into thinking you were actually playing as a young Solid Snake, and nothing deeper should be read into the matter. --Fantomas 21:59, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * On one MGS forum, a user wrote:
 * On one MGS forum, a user wrote:



Resessive doesn't mean inferior.

Liquid assumed it meant inferior.

Liquid is quite obviously the one with the recessive genes.

Ocelot says Solid Snake was the "inferior" one. NOT the recessive one.

Ignore the novelization, it's non canon.

Solid Snake = Dominant genes, "inferior" clone.

Liquid Snake = Recessive genes, "superior" clone.

...

That there most of the MGS info is TRUE and well explained, except for this one

"

These statements are pretty relevent to me because superior and inferior only represents a typical ranking and has nothing to do with genetics although Liquid has brought up the statement which confused many people, and I don't think Kojima would trick people into thinking they were actually playing as a young Solid Snake. If that's the case, then they wouldn't allow Raiden to be a playable character in the first place. 71.141.228.12 22:24, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

First off, I don't recall EVER using the Novelization when I even mentioned the whole recessive/dominant issue. Second of all, even IF I did, the particular chapter that went in-depth with LET was, at least according to a Kojima Productions Podcast, written with Kojima's direct influence. Thirdly, and the last point: The whole Raiden issue is not really a good example since they DID trick the fanbase into thinking they'd play as Solid Snake (most of the previews had Solid Snake in gameplay areas that Raiden was in, and the one shot of Raiden that was ever shown in any of the trailers was when he was doing the underwater insertion. Heck, Raiden's stance as a playable character was actually classified top secret among the staff, to the extent that not even his voice actor was allowed to talk. Weedle McHairybug 22:46, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Besides the hair color, Liquid Snake and Solid Snake look exactly the same anyway. --Bluerock 12:27, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Permission to edit James Johnson
Could I please edit this page or suggest that we change the image of James Johnson? Kennedy 3421 11:20, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Kennedy 3421

I have been asked Fanatomas but he has not replied and he is on leave. Kennedy 3421 14:06, September 5, 2010 (UTC) Kennedy 3421

I'm not really in authority, sorry. Weedle McHairybug 14:07, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Not yet at least. --72.186.98.237 15:20, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Communists are athiests?
Hmm, never would have guessed. I'm an athiest myself but I'm not Communist and I don't plan to execute religious people. :)


 * Yes, it's indeed true that Communists are generally atheists. Heck, religion is actually illegal in it, at least when Communism first started. I had an Uncle who once went over to Russia for something (Note that this was some time before the Soviet Union collapsed). He asked where he could find a church and eventually a person seemed kind to help him find a church. Unfortunately, that "helpful person" who helped him was actually a KGB agent who was trying to find any churches in the eastern bloc and try the parish and probably execute them. My uncle didn't realize until he saw the people hiding in the church the foolish mistake that he made. Fortunately, he managed to rectify it before things got ugly by saying that it wasn't the church, but still... Weedle McHairybug 22:16, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

So Hayter confirmed that Suzetta Minet is an alias.
Cool. Too bad he refused to reveal her real name to you though. It makes sense that it would be an alias. Konami wouldn't hire a random person to play a major character. I don't think she's Debi Mae West though. It wouldn't make sense for her to use an alias again. 72.186.98.104 19:24, October 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yep, it really wouldn't make sense at all for it to be Debi Mae West, and even IF it did make even the slightest amount of sense, the KP podcast in question already confirmed that Debi Mae West is not Suzetta Minet, and it really wouldn't make sense at all to basically deny your alias to people who pretty much know who you are anyways. Either way, the only remaining suspect is Jodi Benson, and, well, trying to make contact with her especially within the same state is going to be more difficult than I imagined, especially considering how my attempt at priority mail delivery to her house was refused before she even read it. I know she might get a lot of mail anyways, but can't she at least read it first? I also tried to get help in regards to writing the letter before sending it off and, long story short, I got banned from Little Ariel Forums. If you have any ideas on how to make contact with her besides mailing (I'm reluctant to utilize fanmail because I get the feeling that it won't be taken seriously in regards to an interview, since I had a bad experience with stuff like Ask Wario on the old WarioWareInc website where when you place a legitimate question and all you get is just pre-recorded gibberish.), please share them, because I really desire to end this debate once and for all. Whether it's Jodi, West, or anyone else, I don't care, the sooner it ends, the better. It's because of stuff like |this, |this, and |this that I even have this absolute desire to end the debate once and for all and find her identity. There were other questions for my planned interview with Jodi Benson, but right now the whole thing about Suzetta Minet is top priority. Weedle McHairybug 19:52, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Chainsaw
"Let 'er rip," isn't solely an expression used for cutting tools, it could be used to emphasise the release of anything really. But yeah, colloquialisms like that aren't really appropriate for a Wiki article. --Bluerock 12:34, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

Gekkos
I don't think so; when Liquid Ocelot messes around with the System in the first two Acts, the Gekko aren't affected; you'd have thought if they needed the System up for control to function they'd go as nuts as the PMC soldiers do. Regardless, using the past tense comes off as a little weird; after all, Gekko didn't used to be heavily armoured, they are heavily armoured. Evil Tim 17:59, October 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you have a problem with tenses with articles, take it to Bluerock, since he's the one who first enforced the policy. Weedle McHairybug 18:01, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't see any other articles on vehicles in past tense: Shagohod is in present tense, Hind is in present tense, REX and RAY have mixed tenses and probably need sorting out; most of the ones I'm clicking through are either mixed tense or present tense. The history sections should be in past tense, certainly, but Gekko doesn't have a history section. Evil Tim 18:13, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Shagohod
Just to explain my issues with that line: it was parked in a room full of highly explosive fuel which could be triggered - that's a weakness of the building, not the vehicle itself. It's like saying that it's a weakness of a car that it can be destroyed if you park in in the middle of an oil refinery and then blow the oil refinery up; yeah, the car will be destroyed, but not due to anything that's inherently wrong with the car. Evil Tim 18:53, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

The Ultimate Metal Gear Questions Part 1 and Part 2
Ok wrap your brains around this head cracker. Your going to need a calculator for this one to get this one right. How many cutscenes are there in MGS1 MGS2 MGS3 MGS4 MGSPO MGSPW. Now add them all up and tell me the total amount of cutscnes in all six main stortyline series. the remakes and non-canon don't count.

Part 2. Seeing how the big name game companies are doing reboots of their franchise. Bishock Infinite Medal of Honor and Castlevania Lords of Shadow.

My question is will Hideo Kojima do the same thing? A reboot to the Metal Gear series? I've seen the trailer to Capcom reboot of the Devil May Cry series.

New look new game engine new Dante.


 * Before I attempt the first question, I might as well ask this: Do codec/radio conversations in those games count as cutscenes?


 * As for your second question, define "reboot." Do you mean remake or just a new game? Weedle McHairybug 02:23, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * No they don't count. Only the cutscenes. and the reboot means a redo the whole thing. In other words a different Metal Gear series not set in the main story lines or the non-canon stories. Just like Bioshock Infinite.
 * In that case, Metal Gear Solid 1 is about...
 * Submarine launching SDV, Liquid telling the soldiers to stay alert, Snake boarding the elevator/Title Flash, Snake getting out of the elevator, Snake noticing a Hind D, Snake eavesdropping on the guards in the ducts*, Finding Decoy Octopus/Donald Anderson, Meryl ambushes Snake, Meryl flees/Psycho Mantis mindcross, Meeting Ocelot and Baker, Brief encounter with the Ninja, Baker explains, Vulcan Raven meets Snake in an Abrams, Raven talks with Liquid and Ocelot, Snake encounters the Ninja and Otacon, Ninja's identity revealed, Otacon meeting, Meeting Meryl in the bathroom, Meryl possessed, Psycho Mantis introduction, Mantis Death, Sniper Wolf shoots Meryl, Snake captured, Snake meets Liquid/beginning of torture sequence, Discovering Donald Anderson's corpse, Snake Flashback, Hind D arrives, Snake meets Otacon at Communication Tower B, Snake faces Hind, Hind destroyed, Sniper Wolf's death/Otacon's grief, Meeting Vulcan Raven again, Vulcan Raven's death, Liquid and Ocelot's conversation, Ocelot shoots the pal key out of Snake's hand, Snake entering PAL Key number 1, Snake entering PAL Key number 2, Snake activating Metal Gear REX, Snake confronting Liquid, Gray Fox to the rescue, Gray Fox's final words, Metal Gear REX deactivated, Liquid's speech, Meryl Lives/Meryl Dies, leaving for the door next to the door on the left, Liquid Dies, Ending.
 * 47 cutscenes/cinematics, not counting codecs.
 * 47 cutscenes/cinematics, not counting codecs.

Keep in mind that I'm most likely going to answer your first question in multiple parts, as I need to review youtube videos on the cutscenes themselves before I can actually tally them together.

* Note: Demo Theater does not count this as a cutscene, at least on the Youtube video I saw of the cutscenes. Weedle McHairybug 03:46, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

all right i must ask how do i add a walkthough to the website.

Mgs4raiden 00:29, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * All I know is that you need to create a new link and do the best to create a walkthrough like any other article, maybe even do it on your user page. Other than that, Fantomas or Richard101 are better people to ask. Weedle McHairybug 00:34, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * ok so portable ops sounds better. and see this http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2008/01/mgs4-nut-grab.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/03/rumorang-mgs4-exclusive-to-ps3-no-plans-for-xbox-version/&usg=__l8Ma3yKFUmGz8DqbEZqstK074G8=&h=337&w=490&sz=56&hl=en&start=26&zoom=1&tbnid=V9DyU9KM-E2OQM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmgs%2Bfunny%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1099%26bih%3D436%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C528&um=1&itbs=1&ei=y6K_TMzbPIWycdDN5PoN&biw=1099&bih=436
 * Just out of curiousity, is there a reason why you wanted me to see this? Weedle McHairybug 02:22, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

thanks
yeah i was clueless i've beat 4 like 6 times and ive been playing the games for as long as i can remember. would you recomened getting portable ops or peace walker.


 * If you like recruiting soldiers, sure. Might as well warn you, though, that Portable Ops may require a little bit of dragging excercises to get soldiers back into a truck, and with Peace Walker, sometimes getting certain codenames or weapons/item blueprints will turn out to be a great big pain in the butt. Be prepared for several twists, BTW. Weedle McHairybug 01:15, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * im all right with recruiting soldiers but peace walker sounds good as well how anoying are these codenames as anoying as the dog tags were.
 * I'd probably say even more annoying. To put it simply, you have to do, redo, and repeat several missions to get a codename by meeting the specified requirements (IE, whether you used weapons lethally or non-lethally, which weapon range, and which type of gameplay [ie, single player or co-ops] did you choose.), and there is no way to visibly gauge weapons usage. Also, are you comfortable playing Co-ops? Because in order to unlock everything, you're definitely going to need to do Co-ops. Weedle McHairybug 01:58, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

have you ever done this
i was playing 4 on hard the other day and killed raging raven in 2 shots. and also do you know a good way to get the bandanna.

Mgs4raiden 02:29, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Can't say I have, in response to your first remark. As a matter of fact, I haven't even played Metal Gear Solid 4.


 * As for the second question, I kinda responded to your blog that asked the same question. Weedle McHairybug 02:35, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * one time when my mate was playing mgs 3 he killed the end and he exploded and the wheelchair wheel flew and hit my mate in the head and sent him to the last area.Mgs4raiden 02:45, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Wow
Wow. I'm impressed. So have any of you figured out many cutscenes there are? And how many in total of all six games? No? Well what are you waiting for? I told you it's a real head cracker. Although someone already said MGS1 has 47 Cutscenes. Now you've got five more games to go. So hop to it already.

What?
WHAT?! You haven't finished yet? Sheesh. This is sad. I'm speechless. What about you Weedle McHairybug? What a name. Anyway. Do you have the answer to the ultimate Metal Gear Question? No? Too bad. I thought someone would be able to figure this out. I guess not.

Shouldn't you post your question to the forums? This is only ONE user's talk page; nobody else is likely to even see it here. --Bluerock 20:50, October 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey, I'm trying to get you the answers. Today I'll do Metal Gear Solid 2's cutscenes (not counting codec calls, as you specified). Honestly, I'm also focused on trying to do well in college. Anyways, here are the cutscenes:

Tanker Chapter:

Opening narration/jumping off George Washington Bridge onto Discovery, description of mission (non-codec), identifying the Marines/ominous feelings/Russian soldiers appear, the Russian leader appears/Snake snaps his picture, Snake identifies the Kasatka, Snake enters the control room, Snake investigates noise, Olga argues with father/Olga introduction, Olga's defeat/Cipher taking picture of Snake, Gurlukovich Mercenaries status report/discovering Snake, Snake enters hold/Ocelot kills surviving Gurlukovich soldier, Snake finds the Marines/Snake reports status, Uploading photos, Snake finishes uploading photos in time for the Commandant to finish his speech, Ocelot and Gurlukovich ambushes Commandant, Ocelot betrays Gurlukovich and kills both the Commandant and Gurlukovich, Ocelot detonates the SEMTEX/Ocelot transforms into Liquid Ocelot, Ship sinks/Ocelot escapes with RAY and reports to the president about the success of the mission.

Tanker chapter completed, I'll continue with the Big Shell chapter soon. Also, unlike before, the youtube source that I'm using is not going to use Demo Theater, so I'm just going to stick with the cutscenes as how they appear with sequence breaks, and CODEC conversations obviously will count as sequence breaks. Weedle McHairybug 21:35, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Well do you want a straight answer cliche one? Nevermind. Why not post it on a forum? My cliche answer is where's the fun in that? Beside I seeing you guys suffer... I mean I thought I would be nice to see if any of you could answer this question. Seeing how most of you are knowledgeable on the Metal Gear series. I thought I test that. You didn't here suffering part did you?


 * Well, getting to the Big Shell chapter (also, technically, I never heard "suffering", since you can't hear written words/typed words, but I did read them.)


 * Briefing Mission/Underwater Insertion/Marine Choppers, Entering Big Shell deep sea dock, explaination on Skull Suit, Raiden opening door, Raiden witnessing Gurlukovich Soldier waking up, Raiden witnessing a mysterious intruder unloading the bodies from the cargo elevator.
 * Your doing great although you could have just told me how many cutscenes there are in number form. You really didn't have give the title of the cutscenes just the number itself. Your originally suppose to count how many cutscenes there are in number form but what your doing now works too so keep it up.
 * Thanks, but could you have please tried to wait until I was actually done trying to finish it?! I mean, thanks to responding before I could finish it as well as the current problem with the scrolling aspect of checking edits, I couldn't just copy what I had and repaste it. Weedle McHairybug 02:53, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry friend I have confidence in your job of answering my Ultimate Metal Gear Question. In which seems everyone else has already given up. Weakling. But you. Your actually trying to answering it. I like that well keep going you've only got four more games to go. then add the total amount of cutscnenes in all. And then you finally solved the ultimate question.
 * Ok, I'll also give some warning as to when I'm going to be researching cutscenes with the intention of not repeating what happened last time. Also, just one final question: When it comes to games like Peace Walker or especially Portable Ops, do both the graphic novel cutscenes and the CGI/gameplay cutscenes count, or does it have to be one or the other? I just need to know, that's all. Weedle McHairybug 22:58, October 29, 2010 (UTC) (Sighs) Let me repeat myself just so we can understand each other. So...CLEAN OUT YOU EARS! Your mission is to find out ho many cutscenes there are in the Metal Gear series that includes all cutscenes period. Push the start button to bring the selection menu to save your data. And complete the task without delay.
 * Move on to mission number 21.
 * Move on to mission number 21.

Come now
Come now surely one among you can finish the Ultimate Metal Gear question. I didn't think it take this long. Oh well.


 * I'll be sure to finish up the Plant Chapter as well as the rest of the Metal Gear games, but it will probably be during Winter Break/Christmas break, since that's pretty much the only time in the near future where I don't have to focus on College-related work. Trust me, trying to analyze several cutscenes is going to take a very, very long time, and with Metal Gear Solid 2, 3, 4, and especially Portable Ops, I don't even have the luxury of a Demo Theater. I mean, I had to take several hours, almost to midnight, from three o'clock PM just to record all the cutscenes down and watching Youtube videos of the cutscenes at the same time, and I couldn't even implement them before my attempt at posting ended up with a posting conflict. Even then, I can't say with absolute certainty that I'll get the entire Metal Gear Saga cutscenes count done before Winter Break ends. Weedle McHairybug 20:43, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

??????
Weedle McHairybug are you receiving this? We're still here. We are formless. We've taken control Metal Gear Wikipedia as the base of our operations. Our goal is internet manipulation. We are conducting our experiment regarding Mission 21 also known as UMG. Many believe we are dead. You can't kill evolution. We've simply transfer to another System. You've already been in contact with our agent(G25) his orders were to convince you to conduct our experiment. Solve the equation that's been placed infront of you. Complete Mission 21 your our special monster. Complete your purpose.


 * All right, fine. Just please don't make any posts until I accomplish it, since I don't want a repeat of what happened last time. Weedle McHairybug 23:53, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Post what? I haven't talk to you in two to three hours. I think you need some rest.
 * Actually, you did post something some time before the two-to-three hours. At least, the edit history page suggested that you did. But, yeah, you're right, I might as well get some rest. Besides, I have to focus on learning how to do Origami for a Japan Club setting tomorrow at 1-3 PM, write an analysis on Animal Farm by the Monday of Thanksgiving break for English Composition, prepare for a Japanese class oral self-introduction on November 18th as my final homework assignment, do a Japanese skit, study for an upcoming Kanji quiz, work on a movie review for English Composition II, do the Homework problems on Chapters 10 and 11 for statistics, and study for my fourth test on Statistics (which is going to be done after Thanksgiving break), not to mention my final exams in those courses and any other activities that I have to meet Japan club with. In other words, until after 10:30AM of December 9th or sooner, which is the endtime of my final final exam and when I get out depends heavily on when I finish, I'm pretty much going to be very busy and probably won't have enough time. Weedle McHairybug 00:42, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah no. I don't you it was me. I believe it was (Them) that contacted you. not me.
 * I suggest you read up on the history section, because I defintely see your name on that posting, Gekkou25. BTW, just out of curiousity, is there a reason why you don't wish to do it yourself? Just asking. Weedle McHairybug 01:22, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah no. I don't you it was me. I believe it was (Them) that contacted you. not me.
 * I suggest you read up on the history section, because I defintely see your name on that posting, Gekkou25. BTW, just out of curiousity, is there a reason why you don't wish to do it yourself? Just asking. Weedle McHairybug 01:22, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Those are spam bots.
No point in trying to talk to them.

http://metalgear.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Solid_Snake&diff=prev&oldid=80923

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/User:StickManLegend

Here's another UMG question.
Here's another Ultimate Metal Gear. Why is it that nobody not ever game magazine companies or Youtube users never complain or say anything bad about the game? What I mean is not game is absolute perfect. Fans believe Metal Gear franchise is the greatest game series since Jesus Christ was born. Metal Gear series are great games but not perfect. No game I know is 100% perfect that is nothing wrong with them. The Metal Gear does have flaws and plot holes. And I think they worship Kojima a little too much. He's not a god but a person. Some gamers find the MGS series highly overrated and shouldn't be placed above every other game out there.

And I can agree with them. But nobody have the nerve to say nothing about.

What are people afraid for their lives? If they say one not so good thing about Metal Gear games saying their not perfect they'll be hunted down by the god worshiping hardcore MGS fanboys who will send death threats and hate mail? Saying they will hunt them down and have them raped or killed in some alleyway?

Does anyone agree on what I'm saying?

Oh come on now nobody on this board doesn't agree with me? YOU BUNCH OF COWARDS!

GROW A SPINE MOST OF YOU. Metal Gear is not the greastest gift since Jesus Christ. What?

YOU AFRAID TO SPEAK YOUR MIND? You too Weedle McHairybug? Are you just another Hardcore MGS fanboy? TOO AFRAID TO SAY NOTHING BAD ABOUT METAL GEAR? COWARDS! SPINELESS JACKELS ALL OF YOU! I'VE LOST RESPECT FOR ALL OF YOU! IF YOU WORSHIP THIS GAME SO MUCH THEN GO MARRY HIDEO KOJIMA! Just remember Kojima is not a GOD. He is a man. A mortal man. And when he dies. YOU CAN ALL DIE WITH HIM! I DON'T CARE ANYMORE. BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU WANT.

I'm done with this.


 * I didn't respond to you at first because I'm visiting family. And to answer your question, I have complained a bit about Peace Walker, namely about how poorly written Paz's speech was (Big Boss didn't seem to recognize the whole back story part, even though he should recognize it since he was one of those two people), the odd lack of mention of the LET, as well as some issues about fans trying to claim that Portable Ops is non-canon just because it was barely really mentioned. I also complained a bit on the ambiguity of Miller's phone call specifically because it was ambiguous. Weedle McHairybug 03:23, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh well thanks. Forget what I said before. The problem is that people are afriad to speak up against Metal Gear. Since the rule is nobody ever say nothing bad about Metal Gear. If there's one thing I know that you say something bad about the Metal Gear franchise the bias hardcore MGS Fanboys will send you nothing but hate mail and death threats. Next to Michael Jackson fans MGS Fans comes in second. Well that and Halo fans. But you get the point.
 * Hey Gekkou, if you want anyone else to even SEE your questions, you need to post them in the forums. This is specifically Weedle's talk page. I mentioned it before, but you didn't seem to understand. And your little angry outburst sounded quite pathetic, to be frank. Have you been the subject of hatemail recently or are you just annoyed that no one saw your question here, where it wouldn't be noticed anyway? --Bluerock 12:24, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * No. not really. But I would if I say something not good about MGS series. The hardcore fanboys will come down on me like the wrath of God. They would want to kill him over something trival.
 * It's just a game of all things. And if your the type that worship this game to the point where you obsession. Building a shrine to Hideo Kojima as if he's Jesus Christ or something. Then you need some serious mental help. The point really is no game out there is 100% perfect. There's always some flaw to it. Just like what Otacon said in the original MGS1 nothing is complete without a character flaws. And one more thing. Please refer to me by my full user name Gekkou25. Just like you add a Captain to Jack Sparrow.
 * No. not really. But I would if I say something not good about MGS series. The hardcore fanboys will come down on me like the wrath of God. They would want to kill him over something trival.
 * It's just a game of all things. And if your the type that worship this game to the point where you obsession. Building a shrine to Hideo Kojima as if he's Jesus Christ or something. Then you need some serious mental help. The point really is no game out there is 100% perfect. There's always some flaw to it. Just like what Otacon said in the original MGS1 nothing is complete without a character flaws. And one more thing. Please refer to me by my full user name Gekkou25. Just like you add a Captain to Jack Sparrow.

SOP
What are you talking about? Since when has taking prisoners or increasing numbers of refugees and war orphans been specifically related to human rights abuses? They are the logical results of every single war in history.

Of course all of Liquid's PMCs were under SOP control. That's why he needed to hijack it in the first place, in order to launch an insurrection. Not all fighting groups were under SOP control though, so it's not really a surprise that child soldiers would be used by some of them. SOP led to a dramatic decline in abuses, it did not eradicate the problem. --Bluerock 12:12, November 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Metal Gear Solid 2 implied that the use of Child Soldiers were actually supposed to be banned under International law (of course, given Raiden and Gray Fox's existance, International law doesn't seem to matter squat), hence why I thought it was a human rights violation. The prisoners thing was because of Nazism. If they wanted to decrease it dramatically, wouldn't they at least decrease the Child Soldier use, though? Also, didn't Naomi imply that they intended to expand the SOP system of control over the civilian population? Why would they do that if they hadn't even finished implementing that level of control over every single member of the military? Weedle McHairybug 14:04, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Use of child soldiers is illegal. But who said the SOP-controlled PMCs were using them? The only thing that Campbell says is that they are getting younger, implying that the war orphans and child soldiers, created by fanning the flames of war, go on to join the PMC businesses, similar the the members of the Paradise Lost Army. And I don't understand your last question: SOP had been adopted by state militaries and some PMCs, not every single combatant in existence. The rebel goups in the Middle East and South America show that. --Bluerock 15:31, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

He hasn't actually played MGS4 or MGS2 so his edits tend to not make any sense. --70.127.202.196 13:24, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wasn't it implied that the Patriots had other methods of control besides SOP, though, such as the Gun Launderers (I know Drebin implied in his drunken confession that the Gun Launderers, or at least Drebin himself, was actually allowed by the Patriots to do this activity, with their cover jobs having absolutely no part in it)? The Rebel Soldiers in South America were shown to have originally been part of the SOP system, though. And as for the Middle Eastern Militia, I'm pretty sure they at the very least had Nanomachines, going by the Beauty and the Beast Unit ambush cutscene where Screaming Mantis was controlling one of the militia soldiers with puppeteer strings, something that would not have been possible if they didn't have nanomachines. I also recall Solid Snake reacting in a similar manner to the Rat Patrol 1 and Praying Mantis Groups when Liquid Ocelot caused a lockdown in Liquid Sun, even though he was not under SOP control, unless the nanomachines that Drebin injected into him earlier briefly put him into the SOP system. Anyways, I did watch the cutscenes, at least. Weedle McHairybug 13:36, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * The South American rebels were the government soldiers of the former regime of the country, before they took up arms. The reason that some of the Middle Eastern militia combatiants have nanomachines is because the militia had hired local PMCs, and those PMC soldiers have nanomachines inside them, too (hence possibly be part of the SOP). As for Solid Snake, he already had nanomachines (first-generation nanomachines) injected into him during the Shadow Moses Incident in 2005. - Marcuarelix


 * Watching the cutscenes is not the same thing as actually playing the games. Almost all of the Metal Gear games feature COUNTLESS optional codec conversations or briefing files which reveal important plot information. The only exception is Metal Gear, which only mentions information on items and how to defeat bosses. The information on the rebels and militia combatatants is revealed in optional codec conversations in MGS4, not in cutscenes.--72.186.99.227 15:49, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * To be fair, non-players do sometimes see things which regular players might miss, having become accustomed to them, though some of the context can be lost without experience of the gameplay. --Bluerock 15:57, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Some of those codec calls were also posted on Youtube. In fact, that was the reason why I even posted them on the Metal Gear Solid 4 conversations article or even why I created the article in the first place.
 * And I have a few reasons why I didn't play MGS2 or MGS4. One, I don't have a PS2 or a PS3, Two, I don't really have much of a desire to actually get one (I'm more of a nintendo person, to be honest), Three, there's not a place I could rent any system anymore, not even at Blockbuster, nevermind a PS2/PS3 (I prefer renting a system over actually buying one unless it is a Nintendo system), Four, the Playstation Network does not have MGS2 or MGS4, or heck, any MGS game barring MGS1, MPO, and MPW, and Five, even if they did, I have had extraordinarily bad luck trying to even access it due to various problems with Wifi. Now, if any of you at least know of a good place to rent a PS2/PS3, I could do it. Otherwise, there is a snowballs of a chance of actually getting one. Weedle McHairybug 17:42, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sigh....fine. When Rising comes out, please try to watch the game's cutscenes. Fair enough? --72.186.99.227 21:33, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, fair enough. Trust me, I have had extraordinarily bad luck in regards to getting stuff via Wifi. I mean, I've tried Panera, my local library, McDonalds, Starbucks, and I still have problems accessing the PSN or even my extras menu. I mean, I get the 20000006 error message most prevalently, followed by the 80431075 error message and even just timing out. That's one of the biggest reasons why I am very reluctant to use the PSN thing. I don't even have my own Wifi. Weedle McHairybug 21:40, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

Database
Actually, the Database is an in-house production, direct from Konami themselves, not a third-party licenced product like comics, novels, and strategy guides. --Bluerock 20:49, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hm... Ok. Strange, Olivier Hague on GameFAQs implied in one of the topics that the MGS4 Database was actually done without the consent of the Japanese creators. Well, my mistake in trusting him in that respect. Weedle McHairybug 21:03, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well it must have had some consent or Konami wouldn't have even produced it. --Bluerock 21:06, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * To be fair, the database is not 100% reliable either. It states that Solidus erased Raiden's memories and crashed Arsenal Gear on purpose. --72.186.99.227 21:35, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, and thanks for the edit to Gary McGolden's page. I was surprised that he wasn't mentioned in the database. He was an important character in MGS2. I guess we'll never know for sure what happened to him though I assume he went into hiding to avoid the same fate as his "starving" neighbor. --72.186.99.227 21:42, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, the database isn't flawless, by any means. However, McGolden was rather an insignificant character; the only thing of note was that he put the spotlight on Nastasha's novel. Nevertheless, everyone at Konami seemed to have just forgotten him: all the released timelines claim that Nastasha's novel became a bestseller in the same year as Shadow Moses, despite McGolden's article, and the newspaper review of her "new" book, being written in 2007. --Bluerock 22:05, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

You seem too nice for your own good
I'm a bit late with this and you seem like a nice guy. Honestly, you shouldn't waste your time responding to morons like Gekkou25.--AntonImaus 09:23, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, you're a friendly guy. A lot more than Bluerock and Fantomas. --72.186.98.71 12:40, December 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, kudos to Weedle for putting up with your attitude, IP. --Bluerock 13:23, December 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh please, you and Fantomas are worse than me. You're sarcastic, asinine and arrogant. That's why I hate both of you. :P --70.127.201.58 22:49, December 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Nah, you hate people who disagree with you, that's all. You should really "hate" less and contribute more positively to the Wiki, my friend. :) --Bluerock 23:40, December 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't hate people who disagree with me. I hate sarcastic and arrogant people which is basically what you and Danny are. --70.127.202.197 18:55, December 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * That is hilarious, considering your edit comments and internet rage. I'm gonna save Weedle the hassle and make this my last response on his talk page, so to him, "Keep up the good work!" --Bluerock 19:10, December 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * "I don't hate people who disagree with me. I hate sarcastic and arrogant people which is basically what you and Danny are."
 * Pottle, kettle, black; dipshit. --68.123.155.130 09:35, December 16, 2010 (UTC)

Grow up
The device had nothing to do with the ability to fire the weapon. Stop being retarded. Fortune said she was lucky in war. Firing a gun is part of war. We can do this forever. Each time, you add that false information, I'll simply revert it. --70.126.139.228 18:12, December 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, firing a gun is part of war. I'm not denying that she is able to fire a gun. However, the specific gun she is using was cited by evaluations to not be acceptable as a field weapon specifically because it had a very high chance of backfiring on the user. Several characters even remarked that she alone could use the weapon and even went as far as to label it as uncontrollable. I tried to explain constantly how having her fire the weapon several times without it ever backfiring would not be possible, even when using the usual definition of "luck" (which is, in gambling terms, managing to succeed when normally it would be successful, and even then, it's usually just one time.), but you never listened. Besides, usually in War, you do get injured, yet she never got injured even once prior to the revelation, not even a scratch. Heck, she was even remarked to be "Lady Luck" specifically because of her ability to deflect bullets every time, so I doubt their mentioning that she was just lucky about wielding that Railgun prototype is just a coincidence. In either case, stop editing it out. Then again, you'll probably just ignore this, just as you ignored and deleted my response on your talkpage dealing with the exact same subject.


 * Also, lashing out and calling people names such as "retard" and all of that really isn't a good sign of maturity either. Mostly, it's the exact opposite, to be honest, and I say this with regret. Weedle McHairybug 19:24, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * All right, fine. You win. Right now, I'm quite irritated at the whole thing of their even including that dialogue in there in the first place. What was the point of even adding the part about having a high chance of discharge if that wasn't even the case at all as Metal Gear Solid 4 showed with Crying Wolf and even Solid Snake using it. It seemed completely unnecessary, not even necessary with the feeding Raiden's expectations explaination, as the whole Fortune device accomplished that as it is. Weedle McHairybug 20:56, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Meh, you win in regards to the Peace Sentinels article. Most of the the extra ops are clearly not canon to the story. Big Boss didn't really take pictures of mercenaries, take pictures of ghosts, fight monsters, talk to a talking cat, shoot balloons or give cpr to dead mercenaries. All of them are just there for gameplay purporses. The zeke mission, POW rescue missions and maybe the detonation of supplies are the most likely canon missions. And yes, I do act immature at times. Sad but true. by the way, you said "vet". What kind of pet do you have? --70.126.139.228 22:04, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, technically I have three dogs. But the dog I was taking to the vet was a miniature/toy poodle.
 * I'd accept that some missions weren't canon, although I'd have some problems with some of the missions not being canon like the ones involving the ghost photos, CPRing dead soldiers, and even the balloon ones thanks primarily to the fact that several of these missions also include unlocking design specs in regards to weapons and equipment, some weapons also actually requiring blueprints from other enemies to develop anyways such as the SPAS-12 and the like. Now, if the manner in regards to unlocking the design specs doesn't make any sense (such as the Monster Hunter Missions apparently requiring Snake/MSF to actually make weapons out of parts harvested from hunted monsters, such as the Tanegashima from a Rathalos Wing (when it doesn't even look like it was made of flesh and even explicitly mentions that it was made out of wood), or Snake having to pat a comrade down after they are asleep or knocked out to get design specs and requiring that they go out of Mother Base just to do so when they could have easily just supplied him with the documents back at Mother Base without having to do so, anyways, such as Paz's PR EZ Gun.), then yes, I can discount them as non-canon if needs be. Besides, technically, talking to Trenya isn't actually required to finish the mission, as the main objective was to steal enemy supplies, so even though Trenya isn't canon doesn't mean the mission automatically is. Weedle McHairybug 22:17, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

So you finally added Portable Ops's codec conversations.
Glad to hear it. Don't forget Ghost's conversations. I could only get Campbell's conversations when not on a mission though and you have to literally contact him dozens of times. I also had to play as a Russian soldier to get all of the conversations. The reference to Meryl's mother was pretty cool though. 70.126.139.228 17:52, December 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, although I think I may need to play another save file to get Ghost's conversations. Apparently, second playthroughs, or even recruiting Sokolov, removes the option of contacting Ghost in your radio calls, since that was what I was using to get the calls from Sigint, Para-Medic, and Campbell in the first place, and Ghost wasn't anywhere on the contact list despite my current mission being the same one as the ne where I have to fight Null for the first time, and thus obviously having his radio frequency. Weedle McHairybug 18:20, December 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for adding Ghost's conversations..--70.126.139.228 20:22, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I might as well ask this, though. Is there any optional codecs in Portable Ops that I haven't added in yet? I'm asking because all the ones I added in are essentially all I've managed to find. Personally, I'm also quite surprised that Sigint didn't seem to have a codec call relating to RAXA, considering that the main reason he arrived at San Hieronymo was to get a look at the new CIA weapon. If that is indeed all there is in both the soldiers and Snake's conversations, I guess I could just add in the radio calls where Snake actually brings Sigint and Para-Medic into San Hieronymo (well, kinda. He didn't plan on them actually coming over, just that they aid indirectly), Ghost asking about the blueprints, and probably the recruiting codecs as well (since those are technically optional). Weedle McHairybug 21:21, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * There is at least one more conversation. Sigint mentions that finishing the game before January 1971 will let one of Snake's worst enemies be recruited. Each character has like ten codec conversations when it comes to talking to Big Boss and a Russian soldier. Sigint does mention several UMAs in his codec conversations. I really doubt that recruiting Para-Medic and Sigint is canon though. Both of them are seen greeting Snake in the end, not leaving the airplane. 70.126.139.228 21:39, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just so we're absolutely clear, does this ten-conversation limit apply to, say, boss fights? I'm asking because I also have Ghost's call in regards to fighting RAXA. However, that conversation plays out the exact same way regardless of whether you are playing as Snake or as one of his soldiers. Oh, and one other thing. I tallied up the codec calls that I received via both Snake and Para-Medic, and I've got 4 for Snake and Campbell, 5 for Snake and Para-Medic, 4 for Snake and Sigint, 4 for Snake and Ghost, 8 for Soldiers and Campbell, 8 for Soldiers and Para-Medic, 7 for Soldiers and Sigint, and 6 for Soldiers and Ghost. Can you give me a hint to what the other 6, 5, 6, 6, 2, 2, 3, and 4 conversations between them in that order are, if it is indeed 10x8 as I think it is? Weedle McHairybug 22:14, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's an ESTIMATE! I got at least five for Snake and Campbell, five for a soldier and Campbell, etc. Hence ten codec conversations. I don't remember the exact number. The last time I played Portable Ops was in 2008. --70.126.139.228 17:13, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Town
There was definitely something atop that bus, that I can guarantee. --Bluerock 23:30, December 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, all I know is that it's not there whenever I try to look for it. I also mentioned it to someone else, and the closest thing to something matching that description are smoke grenades. Weedle McHairybug 23:33, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * I posted the spy report for the XM177E2 in the article and can confirm it was located there. However, I believe it only appeared there after I recieved the report. Maybe it is only in the EU version as you said, and if so, I wonder if there are some other EU exclusive missions. --Bluerock 10:01, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Another question? MGS4 OST
Here's another question. Where can you buy the MGS4 Soundtrack? Besides Ebay and Amazon? How much would it cost? Hope not over $50 dollars.

Hmm?
Still nothing yet. Hmm.. was it that hard. I guess so. carry on.


 * Sorry, I forgot all about it. I may have to write a memo near my computer reminding me of researching the cutscene amount. I am curious about one thing, though. I wondered why you didn't try to do the research yourself? Weedle McHairybug 21:18, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would tell you the answer. But what fun would that be?
 * I would tell you the answer. But what fun would that be?

Another thing Trivia Spoiler
You know it just occurred to me that Ocelot does look like either his father or his mother. Colonel Volgin Solid Snake and Hal Emmerich all look like their parents in some way and Ocelot doesn't. Weird ain't it?

If you don't already know this. But that Haven Cyborg in the MGS Rising trailer was based off some designs in the MGS4 Art book.

Thanks
Just stopping by to say thank you for letting me know of the spam I was getting on that blog. I went ahead and blocked comments on it for now (didn't see anyway to delete the comments), or maybe I'll just start a new one and replace that one. Anyways, have a nice day.

Thanks x 2
What a very good and useful contributor I must say. You do fix up the minor things that can be overlooked at times. At least you understand the fact there are two different Commandos (as shown in Versus Ops, Commando and R.Commando) in MGS: Peace Walker. Sometimes I believe anonymous editing shouldn't be allowed. Do keep up your effort!

- Uncle269

I personally don't want to get into legal troubles so I avoid them where possible. That's why I take pictures using the in-game camera which is unfortunately branded with the MGSPW logo. I would post direct links to pictures as a next resort. Why am I making references to MGS gameplay... But really this is personal opinion.

Uncle269 23:40, January 31, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, Ok! I'm sorry.
It's just that what Mller said made me think he was talking about their headquarters due to the place being in Colombia and also due to the place looking like crap. The roof leaked water. I didn't think he knew about what happened in 1970. 98.221.196.38 13:09, February 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's all right. It was probably a confusing line, anyways. Besides, if Miller knew about Snake Eater, it's probably certain that he'd at least know some details about San Hieronymo. Weedle McHairybug 13:12, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Peace Walker Incident
Hey Weedle, it would be really great if you could help trim down some of the article, since it really is too detailed to be of much use to anyone. Just recap the main events without too many specifics, which can always be dealed with in other, more relevant, pages (and probably already are). Take a look at my edits to the first sections as an example, if need be. Thanks. --Bluerock 20:18, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Getting screenshots from Portable Ops
No sorry man I have no idea how to get screenshots from MPO. I only use what I can get e.g. Camera in MGSPW. You best ask the ones who managed to get pictures some other way. I merely suggest pictures be used to compliment articles with lots of text.

Uncle269 00:52, February 2, 2011 (UTC) Uncle269


 * You could try using a PSP AV cable to connect it to a tv. I've seen them for sale for I think around $30 could be mistaken about the price. If you connect it to a DVD recorder you could record gameplay footage and use your computer to take screenshots of the footage.--Soul reaper 01:48, February 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * If it allows me to take pictures without having to utilize a digital camera (since if I try to do that, most likely it will end up not having a good focus), I'll do it. I don't know how I am supposed to do some of the screenshots of Portable Ops. I've seen people take screenshots from the games, but I really don't know how they do it, especially when it doesn't even include an in-game camera. Weedle McHairybug 01:51, February 2, 2011 (UTC)

You're an idiot who didn't even play the game.
You can clearly see her in tears when she sees the pyx destroyed, when Ocelot crushes the apple and when her "children" die. She says "ADAM" and gives Ocelot the apple, thinking he will come back but Ocelot crushes the apple, causing EVA to cry and think that Liquid still "possesses" him. Being involved in the plan does NOT mean she knew everything. Play the game, kid. --98.221.196.38 22:14, February 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Big Boss said "their grand scheme", and then described EVA recovering his body as well as Ocelot faking possession. You don't say "Their grand scheme" in reference to those things if she didn't plan those portions. And for the record, I've watched those cutscenes, and just because she was crying doesn't mean that she was sincere in her tears. Heck, the Joker once sobbed real tears when explaining one of his freudian excuses, and yet it is unlikely to be true due to his retelling it every time. Also, their grand scheme would imply that she helped come up with the plan. Why say "their grand scheme" if she wasn't even the one who helped plan it? They could have just settled with Ocelot's grand scheme just to make it quite clear that Ocleot was the one who planned it and kept EVA in the dark. Weedle McHairybug 22:20, February 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Work on your memory. He only said that she RECOVERED his body. He didn't say anything about her knowing that Ocelot was not possessed. And what the Joker did is irrelevant to the game. What one character does is irrelevant to another character. --98.221.196.38 22:24, February 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * "Big Boss: "For me, for them, for Naomi, nothing was more important. And it was for that that they put their grand scheme into motion. EVA stole my body from them, and reconstructed it by replacing the missing parts with pieces from Liquid and Solidus. And Ocelot... in order to fool the system, used nanomachines and psychotherapy to transplant Liquid's personality onto his own." Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (2008)."
 * If they wanted to make it clear that EVA, even if she was involved, did not know about Ocelot faking possession, this would have been how they worded it:
 * "Big Boss: "For me, for them, for Naomi, nothing was more important. And it was for that that Ocelot and Naomi put their grand scheme into motion. EVA stole my body from them, and reconstructed it by replacing the missing parts with pieces from Liquid and Solidus. And Ocelot... in order to fool the system, used nanomachines and psychotherapy to transplant Liquid's personality onto his own." Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots (2008)."
 * That way, they would have made it clear that EVA was at best only a pawn in terms of involvement and truly didn't know about the whole plan, and only Ocelot and Naomi truly knew of it. Weedle McHairybug 22:28, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, too bad. They didn't. Why is it that autism causes people to be so anal about details? I have atypical autism but even that doesn't make me anal. By the way, I suggest you buy the MGS4 Limited Edition Collector's guide. It confirms that EVA didn't know that Ocelot was faking his possession. It says that she died truly believing that Liquid had taken him over. Hideo Kojima even writes a bit in the book. Dumbass. Anyway, I've added the information to the trivia section. Happy now? --98.221.196.38 22:31, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm glad that it is at least mentioned somewhere other than the main article (although personally, I would have put it in the unconfirmed section for various reasons). However, if I recall correctly, weren't you the one who told me that I couldn't count the MGS, the MGS2, and the MGS4 novelizations as canon even if Hideo Kojima contibuted to the novel in terms of at least one chapter due to Hideo Kojima even being involved in at least one noncanon game? Plus, you yourself also told Fantomas that R should not be considered canon in regards to Big Boss's real name being John Doe. We also take the Metal Gear Solid Official Missions Handbook with a grain of salt despite Hideo Kojima writing a bit in it as well. I just can't see the difference between the above and the MGS4 handbook that would make it canon, that's all. BTW, if I know this guide correctly, wasn't this the Piggyback guidebook to Metal Gear Solid 4? I'm asking because that did have an entire exposition on the series nearing the end of the guide, and seems to match up with your description, and if so, I do have that guide. Weedle McHairybug 23:13, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I also noticed something else that might throw a wrench into your theory. For one thing, if she didn't know the overall plan, why did she show Snake Solidus's corpse/braindead body/whatever instead of Big Boss's actual body and claim that it was Big Boss's body? The only two explainations I could give are that she is either A. Senile (which would cast doubts on why she is even continuing to lead the Paradise Lost Army in the first place), or B. was lying to Snake (which makes somewhat more sense than Senility, since that should prevent her from leading the Paradise Lost Army), which the latter account also causes problems as to why she would even lie to Snake, especially if she wasn't even fully in on the plan. Weedle McHairybug 01:19, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I suggest you work on your patronizing attitude and fix your memory. EVA TOLD Snake after he killed Raging Raven that the body in the van was not Solidus'. All three vans were decoys. Big Boss' was in the pyx. Didn't you watch the cutscenes? Also, the official handbook WAS canon in 1998. However, Snake Eater and Peace Walker completely retconned Big Boss's background. He would have had to be the drummer boy if he fought in World War 2. And the database completely ignores most of the other character's profiles in the book. Also the database only says that Big Boss' real name is John, not John Doe. I have a feeling EVA might be involved in Rising. --98.221.196.38 13:11, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's another wrench in your theories. The novel is not canon for several reasons. 1: Naomi immediately knows that Big Boss is Solid Snake's father. In the game, she doesn't even know about that until later. 2: Snake is sent to some funhouse while fighting Psycho Mantis. In the game, this never happens. 3: Gray Fox is never crushed by REX. In the game, he is. 4: Otacon tells Snake about Emma. In the game, Otacon doesn't tell him that until MGS2. 5: Dr Clark created nine batches of clones. In MGS4, it is confirmed that she only created ONE batch. 6: Miller says he fought in Vietnam. In Peace Walker, it was his half brother who actually fought in Vietnam. Anyway, Bluerock edited EVA's page. My information will stay in the trivia section. Bye. --98.221.196.38 13:09, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Using a different computer here, since I'm at GPC rather than my house.


 * Anyways, I was talking about before the Raging Raven chase, when she was showing Snake the body in the van shortly after she told Snake a bit about the history of the Patriots, but before Liquid even arrived. I'll even supply you with the quote, just to prove it.
 * "Snake : Liquid is after Big Boss's body. Is it here?


 * Big Mama : I'll take you to meet him.


 * [Big Mama walks over to the back of one of several black vans parked within the

courtyard of the church.]


 * Big Mama : This is his pyx. His Holy Ark.


 * [Big Mama opens the backdoors of the van to reveal what appears to be some

miniature ICU with skinless body with almost no limbs layed down on a bed. Snake attempts to reach over to touch the body, but it suddenly begins to spasm as soon as his hand gets close.]


 * Big Mama : His body is alive, but his consciousness is locked away by

nanomachines. So technically speaking, he's not really brain dead. We can't allow Liquid to inherit the same sins that corrupted Zero... Manipulating people's minds for the sake of his own ego."


 * She explicitly referred to the van containing Solidus as being Big Boss's ark, and also mentioned that he was Big Boss.
 * One other thing, if I recall correctly, they only made one successful batch in the novel (the previous eight were failures), and I'm pretty sure you mentioned when editing it that EVA mentioned that, after countless failures, they bore fruit with Solid and Liquid. It's also possible that Liquid may have briefly lied about that. Also, some things from the strategy guide were also incorporated into the Database, as well. And I thought you stated that how Psycho Mantis fought Snake in the novel was more canon than in the game, since you said that 4th wall breaks weren't actually canon to the story. Last of all, don't call me an idiot. If I were an idiot, I would have flunked Kindergarden, never mind not graduate from High School. And I at least research things for Metal Gear Solid 4. Do you honestly think I could play MGS4 if I didn't even have a PS3? This is the best I can do, especially seeing how consoles can't be rented anymore (believe me, I tried). I also forgot one thing, although I may have stated it before, a KP podcast mentioned that Hideo Kojima was directly involved in the creation of the first chapter of the first novel, so at the very least, the first chapter of the novel was canon. Weedle McHairybug


 * Ignore Anon's constant criticism of having not played the game; it's completely irrelevent for most discussions. Besides which, he has previously edited the Metal Gear Acid pages, solely based on viewing online info, despite never playing the games, so you aren't the only one.
 * The explanations given in the games are always extremely convoluted and lacking in detail, so any confusion about it is entirely understandable.
 * --Bluerock 13:32, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Categories
Remember to categorize any new pages, e.g. [Category:Equipment]. --Bluerock 09:10, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Codec
I think you should discuss more about the Codec on a talk page, as the character limit of the edit comment always cuts off the points that you're trying to make.

Anyway, from what I can gather from the games, the Codec is simply a more advanced radio communication system, rather than specific piece of equipment. While it appeared to be operated by nanomachines in some cases (the nanocommunication that was first introduced in MGS2), this is not the exclusive method by which it functions, as both Naomi and Meryl obtain Codec devices for use in MGS1. It could also be possible that the nanomachine-based Codec was developed post-MGS1, for use by Raiden and other government personnel. --Bluerock 01:12, February 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * If I recall correctly, I think the Codec also was able to transfer digital camera photos, going by Otacon's original plan on transferring the RAY photos (before they discovered that the Patriots were attempting to hack into and monitor their communications) as well as how Snake transferred that photo he took of Sergei Gurlukovich to Otacon for him to ID. Something like that shouldn't be possible if it was nanomachine based. Also, didn't Snake mention something to Mei Ling about how, if she didn't invent the Codec, Snake "wouldn't have been able to talk to [Mei Ling] like this.", which wouldn't make sense if the Codec was, similar to a radio, audio-only, since that would still make it similar to any other radio. Well, in either case, I don't think the Codec being primarily nanomachine based should be mentioned under FOXHOUND equipment since FOXHOUND was disbanded by the time the Codec did actually become primarily nanomachine based.


 * BTW, when is this site going to fix its add article function? I'm asking because I was trying to add in an article about the RPG-2 (in fact, I have a word document created to store my attempt at an article), and every time I try to upload it, I go onto a glitched "create a new article page." Weedle McHairybug 01:56, February 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I would say that nanocommunication was merely one of the Codec's functions then, and not an integral part of its normal operation. I agree, references to nanomachine-based Codecs should be removed from the FOXHOUND equipment, since no evidence suggests it was in use at the time by either FOXHOUND or Snake in MGS1.


 * By the way, I created the RPG-2 page for you to add content to. Not sure why it was glitching on your end, though the page had been deleted previously due to solely consisting of vandalism. --Bluerock 03:35, February 12, 2011 (UTC)

You got the Japanese version of Peace Walker?
When did you how to read Japanese?


 * Although I did buy it on Ebay, I have not actually received it in the mail yet. It should come in by February 16 at the earliest. Also, I've been learning Japanese since last summer, and I also attempted to teach myself Japanese online during High School. Weedle McHairybug 19:40, February 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * Cool, please post any information about the Dorito and Pepsi briefing files if you ever get a chance. I think it's pretty stupid that companies don't care if their products are only referenced in Japan. Also, happy birthday. It's cool that you were born on Valentine's Day. --98.221.196.38 14:14, February 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll try to do that. At least when playing the actual game, I can actually read and transliterate, then translate, the Japanese conversation of those briefing tapes rather than have to rely on a grainy youtube video where the text is barely legible. Now, I'll probably have some trouble with Kanji, mostly because that one is more recent, but also because Kanji, at least in my workbook, could mean several things depending on the context. And thanks. Weedle McHairybug 16:04, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Man
Man. If this is too hard for you then I understand. if all else fails remember one thing.

Destrucity. Get it?


 * It will take some time to process all the cutscenes, but I'll do it. I'll also make sure I sticky-tab a memo onto my computer (literally) reminding me to analyze any Metal Gear Solid 2, 3, and 4 cutscenes, as well as Portable Ops.


 * In the meantime, I'll tell you that there are... 35 cutscenes in Peace Walker, at least according to the cutscene theater. Weedle McHairybug 00:49, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, 47+35 cutscenes (since you told me to add them all up) equates to about 82, meaning that, going by Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker combined, that's the total so far. Weedle McHairybug 00:53, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * You didn't get the Destrucity part did you?

The Second UMGS Question.
Okay he're another kick you in the nuts type question.

After you tally up the cutscene all the cutscenes in order for you to tell me how many cutscenes in all.

The second UMG Question is.

How long would it take you to watch the all cutscenes in order from start to finish?

Or better yet how many hours would it take to watch all of them?

Starting from chronological order. Metal Gear Solid 3 to Metal Gear Solid 4 Guns of The Patriots.

Don't worry. Bathroom breaks are requested.

If it sounds like I'm throwing extra weight on to your research then I am. Trust me it will help me sleep at night knowing your the only smart enough to do it.

PKM info
I use the following site as one of my primary sources of information on firearms:

http://world.guns.ru/machine/rus/kalashnikov-pk-pkm-e.html

I don't have access to much hard copy literature.

Uncle269 01:59, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

What is TSENTR?
I can't find anything about it. --98.221.196.38 20:19, February 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * I really couldn't find anything about it either. If I had to guess, I'd have to say it is Lubyanka. Weedle McHairybug 20:21, February 26, 2011 (UTC)

Here's the conversation you requested
http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_3_radio_conversations#Cigarette_narcosis_gun

I'll try to get Raikov's conversations as soon as I can. I assume you have a Nintendo Game Cube due to the fact that you played at least Resident Evil 4. You should at least buy or rent The Twin Snakes whenever you have time.--98.221.196.38 20:05, March 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks. And you're right in that I have a Nintendo Gamecube. However, I don't recall ever mentioning that I played RE4 (which I don't, BTW.). Well, in either case, good luck.


 * I will mention something else though. You kinda told someone to slit their own throat. That's not cool at all. I mean, I disagree with several people, including Ether101, Cybercubed, and PDL, but even I don't try to tell them to slit their own throat or do some harm onto themselves. Heck, I don't even do it with you, either, even when you irritate me.


 * Also, if you have the time, were there any sources to, I don't know, Kojima stating that Solidus basing his raising on Child Soldiers on Big Boss, the Metal Gear Solid 1 & 2 comics being absolute canon, Liquid Snake and everyone else apparently lying about Solid Snake enjoying all the killing, and Big Boss being compared to Darth Vader/being pure evil while Solid Snake is pure good? I'm asking because Ether101 mentioned that Kojima allegedly stated these things, and I need to verify if these are actually stated and not stuff he made up, especially seeing how he doesn't even bother citing sources to his claims. A link will be fine, if not a printed article stating this, and I'll take care of the rest myself. I'm also asking because he doesn't seem to back it up with sources besides saying Kojima said this or something like that, and also dismisses In the Darkness of Shadow Moses as absolute crap. I just need to verify if these claims are true and indeed verifiable, since saying "Kojima said this" doesn't seem to cut it for me, especially when I was raised to require far more than "so-and-so said this." to cite sources. Weedle McHairybug 21:55, March 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Meh, I'm a lunatic. Sad but true. Anyway, I remember that you and I have disagreed about Jack Krauser's fate.

http://residentevil.wikia.com/index.php?title=Jack_Krauser&diff=106410&oldid=106408

I assumed you played the game. Anyway, I honestly have no idea whether Hideo Kojima said all that. I've never even of that stuff. I've never read the comics. I dob't consider In the Darkness of Shadow Moses to be crap. --98.221.196.38 22:00, March 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I namely disagreed on his fate simply by reading up on info and analyzing it in a similar fashion to a computer. I wasn't certain if you knew any of that, but I thought you'd know since you seemed somewhat well versed in Metal Gear stuff. Anyways, sorry to hear that about you, although just for the record, you may have disagreed with Bluerock on issues somewhat violently, but I've had it far worse back on BMGf and SPPf. Namely, they would mock and tear me down for no other reason than just because I'm a Misty fan who actually does intend to bring her back. On at least two occasions on BMGf, I was even sent to the Hall of Shame where they viciously mocked me as well as her. First time, I suggested a boycott based on the American revolution (hey, better than basing it on fiction, anyways), and despite doing everything to help them bring Misty back, the people in charge of the Misty club on that site, like Kasumi, one of the co-founders of the Misty club, repaid my attempt to help by stabbing me in the back and sending me there to be outright mocked and bashed, without my input. On SPPf, I had a three month ban once because one of the moderators viciously bashed my arguement (even hinting that the 900 signatures I got legitimately from other people at my school was just me signing it 900 times) and I was the scapegoat. Its as if the only reason Misty fans are even allowed on those sites is as hunting quarry. Weedle McHairybug 22:13, March 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I never said I was well versed in Metal Gear stuff. I'm a fan of several game series. Basically Syphon Filter, Metal Gear, Max Payne, Resident Evil and Splinter Cell. I don't have a Wii so I haven't played the Chronicles games of Resident Evil. I didn't know you were such a Pokemon fan. I was a big fan of the show back in 1999-2000. Everyone in school used to have cards and would trade them. Good times. Anyway, hall of shame? Strange website.

Anyway, forgive me for asking but how exactly are you autistic? You do tend to be anal about details but other than that, you appear to be somewhat intelligent and you are definitely sociable and friendly. I flapped my hands when I was a kid and I didn't speak full sentences until I was 3. According to papers, I have Pervasive Development Disorder and Atypical Autism. Go figure. --98.221.196.38 22:37, March 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I stopped talking abruptly at a young age, which led to autism. And I may be sociable around computers, but trust me, I'm not nearly as good at being sociable as most normal people. There are various levels of Autism in either case, so I usually get very irritated whenever people imply that someone who has autism = someone with mental retardation, since that is not the case. I can't really say why I'm friendly other than that I am. Weedle McHairybug 22:50, March 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * Got it. And here's the Raikov sentence. That's all I got in regards to Raikov being unconscious.

Zero: ''Be careful not to wake Raikov up while dragging him. And make sure you're not seen by enemy soldiers or scientists."

Since when did you read what I type?
You usually ignore everything I type. Anyway, what's an egalitarian? 98.221.196.38 13:41, March 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * To give a definition from the dictionary, an egalitarian is someone or something that is asserting, resulting from, or characterized by belief in the equality of all people, esp. in political, economic, or social life. Under that definition, it also makes it so that concepts shouldn't have a few be applicable when the rest of those same examples are not applicable unless for a very, very good reason (or at least a reason that makes sense). And while I don't usually respond to what you say, that doesn't necessarily mean I ignore it. Plus, there have been other instances where I responded anyways. Weedle McHairybug 13:54, March 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Sorry, I've never heard of the word before. I'm not in college either so please excuse my ignorance in regards to certain words. I have heard the expression "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" though. --98.221.196.38 14:01, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

You know what.
You know what would be fun. If Deadpool was in a Metal Gear game. The Legendary Hero Solid Snake meets

The Merc with the Mouth. Wouldn't that be fun?

Did you finish yet?

May I ask why you and Crashsnake are having an edit war?
??? 98.221.196.38 18:07, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Because a few instances, he's adding in some things when these things either are not needed or imply things that haven't even been stated directly. I'm pretty sure Bluerock would have done the same if he got it. Trust me, he has done similar before. Weedle McHairybug 18:09, April 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Uh huh. Well, thank you for getting Twin Snakes. Snake's action movies (jumping on a missle and ceiling) moves are corny but the main menu's music is great and the torture part is WAY easier than the original version. --98.221.196.38 18:18, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I haven't actually played it yet. I will as soon as I get several schoolwork taken care of. For one thing, I've got a current event for history, my penultimate exam in Geology, at least two more labs and quizzes in Geology, one more assignment for Geology, some online quizzes for History, and final exams. The action moves were pretty much over the top, but then again, its not like the other games haven't had similar moves. I mean, Metal Gear Solid 2 had Snake dodging a Ballistic Knife Round as well as the knife itself, and going by what Olga said before the battle, she used this attack before, and of all the people she encountered before Snake, exactly zero managed to either evade or survive the attack. Heck, even the original Metal Gear Solid was somewhat guilty of this (Snake evading a tank round is notable). Weedle McHairybug 18:28, April 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll also mention that I have a friend who has a PS2, so I might borrow it as well as Metal Gear Solids 2 and 3 if he still has them for all the codec conversations on there (if he doesn't, I'll probably buy them to utilize them). Just don't expect me to do any codec conversations from Metal Gear Solid 4, since although my friend is willing to let me borrow his PS2, the PS3 is a different story altogether. Weedle McHairybug 13:41, April 8, 2011 (UTC)

Ma what?
http://metalgear.wikia.com/index.php?title=Revolver_Ocelot&diff=91113&oldid=91112


 * It was supposed to say "May also add in more soon", but it reached the text maximum for edit section before I could start. Anyways, have you gotten to the third Ocelot torture and survived through it (without giving up, I think)? I'm asking because that edit was in reference to that conversation. Weedle McHairybug 19:23, April 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * I did in the Twin Snakes and once in the easy version of the original Metal Gear Solid. Ocelot stops talking to Snake (in regards to the plot) after three torture sessions. I was only able to do two torture sessions on Normal difficulty in the original. The torture sessions in the original are almost impossible in Normal difficulty because Ocelot tortures Snake FOUR times during each session. It's EXTREMELY difficult to keep pressing the circle button. I managed to do it eventually but it was hard. Thankfully, the Twin Snakes torture sessions are a lot easier. Dr. Strangelove's torture in Peace Walker was hard too but at least she stopped at three. Anyway, canon wise, Snake probably only endured three torture sessions at the most before figuring out Otacon's ketchup trick.--98.221.196.38 19:32, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Either that, or Gray Fox letting him loose. Weedle McHairybug 19:42, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks
Really great job undoing all those edits and everything. Great to see you always taking the time to keep making contributions. Inspirational, truly. Thanks again. NeveRelwof 11:29, April 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, though I won't be able to much longer because I have to be at Physical Geology before 8:30 at GPC campus as well as stay over at campus until 2:30 both due to my Geology Lab final and the Japanese Festival. Weedle McHairybug 11:32, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Are you an admin?
If not you should become one, that way you would be able to block people like Lancer 1289. You definitely have what it takes210.56.81.20 11:36, April 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I will become one if it is necessary, but due to bad experiences with admins on forums, I'm reluctant to become one. Weedle McHairybug 11:37, April 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't let bad experiences stop you, be the exception! This wiki desperately needs someone like you as    admin210.56.81.20 11:39, April 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't let bad experiences stop you, be the exception! This wiki desperately needs someone like you as    admin210.56.81.20 11:39, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Seriously
Ok I haven't been here in a while but. You still haven't complete it yet? Seriously after four months? Hmm. Oh well then.

Guess I'll file this under unsolved clases.

Thank you for trying thought. I guess this is one question that will never have an answer to.

What a waste.

Okay, what I can tell you right now is that there are at least 35 cutscenes in Peace Walker. 36 counting the opening, and if we split the cutscenes up, separately, about 50 cutscenes. Not counting the codec briefings afterwards. As for Portable Ops, there are 45 cutscenes, probably 50 counting the encounters with the optional characters (ie, the scenes right before the radio conversations). So far, that leaves about 146-166 cutscenes when combining MGS, the Tanker Chapter of MGS2, MPO, and MPW. I've yet to accomplish the Plant Chapter, both the Virtuous Mission and Operation Snake Eater, and MGS4. As soon as those are done, the questions should be completed. Weedle McHairybug 03:07, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

One last thing
On more thing. The second part of the UMGSQ. Is total how many cutscenes in all. Then Part 3. How long would it take to watch every cutscene. From MGS3 to MGS4.

One more thing. I checked that MGS site it's closed down but I was right the first time about Gray Fox. Born 1954 died 2005 age 51. bye.

I have been on a hiatus (university). RemoteJoyLite can take clean snapshots regardless of where you are and what you are doing on the PSP which I only found very recently. If you have any screenshot requests just message me. I have MPO, MPO+ and MGSPW. Taking a photo (not the in-game type) isn't really the way to go. Uncle269 06:17, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

Ok...um Who are you and what does this have to do with how many cutscenes in MGS series?

Edit comments
Weedle, can you please ensure that your edits comments are within the character limit. It's impossible to see any of your full messages a lot of the time. If you have more to say, you should really use the talk pages. --Bluerock 12:07, May 30, 2011 (UTC)

Recent images
Hey Weedle, could you please help tidy the presentation on the pages you added loads of images to? We don't really need three seperate pictures of the Gurlukovich mercenaries boarding the Discovery within the Tanker Incident article. If need be, place them in a gallery, as I have done with the Shadow Moses page. Cheers. --Bluerock 17:50, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

Howdy.
Hello there! How has everything been since I've been gone? Sorry about leaving, but the intense amount of negative energy I felt hanging around here became a little too much to handle and I needed time out. Cheers to you and some the others for keeping up the hard work. --Fantomas 23:39, June 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Welcome back, Fantomas. You know, we were actually considering making new admins in case you didn't return. I also have some suggestions: Namely, you need to unlock some pages that were locked by the time you left (such as the Beauty and the Beast Unit article). Thanks. Weedle McHairybug 23:54, June 2, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I've already unlocked that article for you! --Fantomas 00:08, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Fox Engine
Hey Weedle, I was going to add an article on the Fox Engine revealed yesterday but I thought I should check first. Do you think it is appropriate to add?--Soul reaper 15:54, June 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Don't see why it shouldn't. After all, we already have articles on Zone of the Enders and Snatcher, plus articles on the main characters from Rumble Roses. Weedle McHairybug 16:05, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Vincent and Hal Emmerich Connection
Relax this isn't about the Cutscenes. This is Metal Gear/Silent Hill type question.

Does anyone find it odd that Father Vincent looks and modeled after Hal Emmerich? One would assume since SH3

Came out one year after MGS2 in 2002. I think the developers modeled Vincent after Emmerich's MGS2 design. Am I the only one who notice this?


 * Can't say for certain, seeing how I've never really interacted with Silent Hill at all. I may not have played MGS2 at all, but I've at least seen videos of it, unlike Silent Hill. Weedle McHairybug 01:56, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wait you've never placed a Silent Hill game before? Or MGS2?
 * But you know who Father Vincent is?
 * Actually, I don't know who Father Vincent is. I'll look him up on Wikipedia, though. As for MGS2, I haven't played it, not yet anyways, although after this summer semester is over, I am going to borrow my friends PS2 unit to play MGS2 and MGS3. Weedle McHairybug 00:04, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I just looked him up. There wasn't a picture of him, but apparently he was this high priest in this religious cult known as the Order, and was more hedonistic/dogmatic than Claudia, the main villain of the game. He also built the church that the final fight took place in, and apparently was killed by her. Weedle McHairybug 00:08, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want to see a picture of him look on the Silent Hill Wiki site then tell me if he looks like Hal Emmerich.
 * Okay, I just looked him up. There wasn't a picture of him, but apparently he was this high priest in this religious cult known as the Order, and was more hedonistic/dogmatic than Claudia, the main villain of the game. He also built the church that the final fight took place in, and apparently was killed by her. Weedle McHairybug 00:08, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want to see a picture of him look on the Silent Hill Wiki site then tell me if he looks like Hal Emmerich.

Sleep gas
Sadly, I don't have a PSP and it doesn't look like we have a picture of it on IMFDB, so I couldn't tell you unless you know where there's an image of one. Evil Tim 15:04, June 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Although if you ever wanted to know what Liquid's boat on the Volta was, check the IMFDB article under Browning M2HB. Just did a bit of searching. :) Evil Tim 16:40, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Hamsters
Konami's translation team during the 8 and 16 bit eras had something of a reputation for not taking their jobs even remotely seriously; Metal Gear's manual rather infamously featured a plot that had nothing to do with the game whatsoever, and I imagine the deadly poisonous hamsters are a product of the same approach of just writing any damn thing they felt like. Evil Tim 03:06, June 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Wasn't the English translation technically released in the 128 era, though? I mean, it was released around the same time as subsistence, and I'm saying it's the English release since MG2 when it was first released was a Japan exclusive. Weedle McHairybug 03:15, June 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Huh. I've definately seen images of the MSX2 character designs with English subtitles and just assumed it must have been released at the time it came out. Must have just been a very goofy day over in Japan when they decided Zanzibar Land uses sulphuric acid to kill poisonous hamsters. Maybe that was the same guy who later wrote "and then The Fury turns into two huge flaming skulls for absolutely no reason because it makes sense for him to do that." :) Evil Tim 03:24, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * The original Japanese release used real life actors as the portrait models (eg, Big Boss was Sean Connery). Weedle McHairybug 03:26, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

It's a radio device.
Nastasha's book confirms that. Stop starting edit wars because you don't like what I post. Unless you are an administrator, you don't have the authority to tell me what to edit.65.211.97.242 14:57, June 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm not denying that it is a radio device. Heck, in case you haven't noticed, I allowed you to keep the Nastasha Romanenko thing that stated that it was a radio device when undoing your edits, when I could have just as easily just removed it altogether either in the same edit or a future edit. My problem, however, lies with the Mei Ling thing, as regardless of whether it was a radio device or not, the way that they introduced Mei Ling (both in actions and especially in wording) nonetheless indicated that he was referring to Mei Ling herself (meaning, her appearance in addition to her voice and personality) as being cute. Now, if Solid Snake said, or at least Solid Snake's statement was translated as, "Nothing...I just didn't expect a world-class designer of military technology to sound so...cute.", "Nothing...I just didn't expect a world-class designer of military technology to act so...cute." or even "Nothing...I just didn't expect a world-class designer of military technology to act and sound so...cute." which would have been in reference to her voice, personality, and both, respectively, I wouldn't have that much of a problem about the whole Mei Ling issue, and thus wouldn't have to keep adding it in. Weedle McHairybug 15:15, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Engineers and Scientists pictures
Those images were screenshots from a youtube video walkthrough, hence the poor quality. I'd be glad to get the soviet officer picture if I can find an appropriate moment in one of the videos but it would speed things up little if you could tell me what points in the game they are present, there are a lot of videos and I can't exactly remember were the soviet officers appear--Soul reaper 09:26, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * After a quick look I may have found an image, I'm not 100% sure if it's of what you wanted. It's pretty blurry but that's just what happens when you use youtube as a source. If I had the time I'd take them straight from the game. If it's not the right image then I can keep looking--Soul reaper 09:46, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay. And anyways, the image is pretty much good since it at least covers a Soviet officer who isn't Raikov, so I'd say you got it right. I'm temporarily using my laptop because my regular computer's monitor is malfunctioning for some reason. Weedle McHairybug 13:10, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

MGS PW Screenshots.
Can I add in screenshots I took of the Pupa custom doing a backflip, and a inactive pupa in the mine base? Redtail 05:33, July 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't see why not. Go ahead. Weedle McHairybug 13:57, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to be a pain in the ass
Im sorry if i caused you any inconvenience but I m new to this page and I'm a little confused about operating it.Anyway, my point was that Ocelot said "at the location we discussed" reffering to the location where the tanker was supposed to be sinked.That's what i think anyway, but i am pretty sure because i watched the video again just to make sure.But, ok, it's your call.Just see the video once more and then decide. mitsotakis

So you managed to play Ghost Babel?
Cool! It's definitely a great game. Too bad Snake doesn't live happily ever after with Christine Jenner in the canon storyline. SyphonFilter1987 19:09, August 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Wish I could say I played it. However, to be honest, I haven't. But I did try to research youtube gameplay videos and various scripts so I could compensate for this. I'll probably get my own copy, assuming there are still working copies available. Weedle McHairybug 19:12, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Pilots need pressurized suits?
News to me. Why do they need that? By the way, where did you get the picture of Big Boss fighting Solid Snake? 68.37.56.163 18:08, August 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * I got it from Imageshack, more specifically http://imageshack.us/f/8/immaginedlu.png. Before that, someone on the MGSForums posted it. As for the pressurized suits, there's a reason why the pilots when flying at high speeds often have those masks on their helmets like in the movie Independence Day. Besides which, it was also commented on Kojima's commentary for Metal Gear Solid 3. If you'd like, I'm perfectly willing to pull it up to prove it. Weedle McHairybug 18:13, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

MPO images
Hey Weedle, thanks for uploading all the recent item and weapon screenshots and I hope you don't mind me updating some of them from time to time with new ones. On a related note, I was thinking we should maybe remove the images with the descriptions included, as they don't look too good in the articles. Since the descriptions are included on the pages anyway, they seem a bit redundant as well. If you're up for it, we can just remove them as and when we carry out other editing on those pages as it's not in any way urgent; I think it would just help improve presentation. --Bluerock 18:31, August 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I guess it's fine with me, although we probably should wait a week before deleting them so I cann manage to get the titles down. Anyways, I don't really mind you replacing the images. Actually, personally, I'm disappointed that I couldn't get more clear images. I had to use my digital camera to take most of those pics because theres no camera in Portable Ops that would allow me to do so and transfer to my computer, and I don't even know how to take the kind of screenshot images that are on here. Weedle McHairybug 19:16, August 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've gotten the file names down, and there aren't any with talk pages, so I think you're free to go with deleting them. Weedle McHairybug 20:17, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't delete it.
The other guy did. The problem with your novel is it contradict the game's events. Gray Fox was crushed to death. Naomi Hunter didn't know Big Boss was Snake's father. Psycho Mantis didn't create a fun house (though that would have been great in the game) and Snake doesn't find out that Meryl is the daughter of Roy Campbell in the game. I agree with you on a lot of other stuff. Portable Ops is definitely canon. MGS4 shows pictures of the game but not Acid so saying that was advertising is stupid. Coldman is also clearly the "deviously cunning strategist". He's the one who planned the mission in Grozny Grad and the Boss' death. However, I don't think the MGS novel is canon. EVA doesn't say anyting about eight batches of babies. I also don't think Snake spared the lives of the B&B members. He even doesn't show sympathy when Drebin and Rosemary talked about their suffering. As for the codec, I'd believe it was a video device if we saw Snake wear a watch. Those are the three things I disagree with you. 68.37.56.163 17:44, September 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Can you please explain where Raymond Benson got the idea that Dr. Clark was female then? I don't recall Para-Medic being mentioned in pre-release things for Metal Gear Solid 4, never mind it being revealed that she was a Patriot founder or her being Dr. Clark, so if you want to cite somewhere where Raymond Benson got the idea, please, be my guest. As for Snake finding out about Meryl's true relation to her father, his reaction to Meryl mentioning that Roy was her father indicated that he did know about it either during the conclusion of the mission or sometime between 2005 and 2014.


 * Anyways, about the video/watch thing, that might change if the rumors about KP developing another remake of Metal Gear Solid are true, maybe the funhouse aspect as well. Weedle McHairybug 19:51, September 8, 2011 (UTC)

Those calls do exist!
Snake has to go back to those areas after EVA contacts Snake. EVA translates the names (i.e Rassvet means Dawn and Graniny Gorki means Granin's mountain) but then asks Snake why he went back to those areas. XD

I'm currently playing La Noire on Playstation 3. When I finish that game, I'll hook up my PS2 to play Snake Eater. I also plan on adding a conversation about EVA lashing out at Snake because he was too slow to figure out that Raikov is gay. XD 68.37.56.163 11:47, September 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, that pretty much confirms it. So I guess the only locations that EVA doesn't describe when in the area are Lazorevo, Zaozyorje, and Rokovoj Bereg (although does describe them when stating their planned escape route). Personally, I don't care about the location translations, I just want to see if she gives any details about their history, similar to the other locations. Well, good luck, both to playing La Noire and uploading the conversations, although I thought the conversation about EVA telling Snake he was too slow in regards to Raikov's sexuality was already posted? Weedle McHairybug 11:53, September 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * There are two conversations about Raikov. In the second one, Snake asks EVA whether Raikov dumped him, causing EVA to say "If this conversation goes on any longer, I'm going to slam my fist in this radio into your head. Figure him out YOURSELF. Later." Then Snake says "...". --68.37.56.163 18:08, September 9, 2011 (UTC)

I've moved on to the Battlefield series. You need to be more specific with perhaps what you would like taken as screenshots. I will be able to load up MGS: Portable Ops.

Uncle269 23:43, September 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay, the specific locations are the Prison, the Supply Depot, the Soviet Patrol Base (By that, I mean actual location photos, the picture of Key A doesn't count), the Hospital, the Research Lab, the Harbor, the Security Base, the Airport, and the Guest House. Weedle McHairybug 00:04, September 23, 2011 (UTC)

Why leaving two identical pictures?
Hi there :D

Why are you always leaving/ reverting my modifications in order to keep identical pictures, while I always remove them?

The iPod, the Octocamo... What is the point of having two pictures which show exactly the same thing?

Thank for your answer.

YoannYoann718 16:26, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

You know, Yoann, you could just try to update one of the current images by uploading a new version of said image. If you really think that we shouldn't make duplicates, I don't see why you don't just update any of the current images by uploading new images in the same image article? BTW, are you French? I'm asking because some of the screenshots indicate that you have the French version of MGS4. Weedle McHairybug 16:38, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so I can upload a new version from a file initially uploaded by someone else? I wasn't sure that I could do that ^_^

Yes, I'm french.Yoann718 16:42, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

You feel better to add the same picture in a worse quality for each article I add High Quality pictures? Can you tell me what IS the POINT of doing that? Can you give me a little clue about this non-sens edits? I really need to understand what is your goalYoann718 08:38, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Fine, I'll ask Dr. Ed Argon to delete those pics if it will make you feel better, since he was the one who uploaded those pics. Weedle McHairybug 08:40, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hahaha, what a shame... You're just doing that for ANY article I update, and you still don't want to answer to the "why" question. And remove the E Den draw which looks really, really bad. So, for the third time, WHY are you doing that? Where is the sens in all this Yoann718 08:47, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, the reason why I keep inserting those pics, I don't know if its justifiable, but it should at least be understandable, is because I have a bit of a compulsion to put them up since otherwise there's no point to even uploading them onto the site. As for the E-DEN pic, don't blame me, blame Shinkawa or whoever was the one who designed the various camos for it looking bad, all I'm doing is uploading information. It was posted on Muni_Shinobu's MGS3 Camo page as a picture, and had I known that people were going to react badly to it, I might have uploaded it, posted it on one of the editors (preferrably a high-ranking one) to see if it qualifies and depending on the answer, either insert it or delete it. Weedle McHairybug 08:55, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's really a bad reason, since they were TEMPORARY here before that someone will upload a better pic from it. We are in a website which peope will see. Do you really think that Metal Gear wikia deserve to get (very) low quality pictures? Is that what you want?
 * About the low quality pics, the main admin can remove them easily, it's not hard to figure this out. What a shame to see so much troubles here since I'm uploading High Quality pictures...
 * I'm not here to get worked up by you, nor ANYONE else. That's enough, I'm leaving this wikia. Yoann718 09:19, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I realize now that it was a bad reason. That's why I'm not going to interfere any longer. In fact, I'll even post a note on my computer stating not to interfere, so please don't leave. And for the record, had I been against you uploading high-quality pics, I would have removed them. I have absolutely no problem with you uploading high quality pics. I'm sorry. If you're going to leave, can you at least stick around until Bluerock resolves the E-DEN debate? Weedle McHairybug 09:25, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Picture from a camera from a video from a camera
Hi Are you really taking pics from a youtube video with a camera ^_^? The "Print Screen" key/feature exist in any computer and will look a lot more better than those pics ^_^ You can use a software if you want (PrtScr is a very good one :) A good pic with a low resolution is better than a high res pic which doesn't looks good. BTW, you can still request Pics in my page... Because there is no point for me to replace each picture you'll put ^_^ --Yoann718 18:32, October 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Had to fix the message because it was glitched (it displayed source code on the actual page, rendering it uneditable.). And to answer your question, yes, I did use a digital camera to take those pics from youtube. I don't have Metal Gear Solid 2 or a PS2, and even if I did own them, the PS2 hardware certainly wouldn't allow pctures to be posted online. I did similar things with Portable Ops (for obvious reasons) and with Peace Walker to a certain extent (Such as taking photographs of Mother Base and some model viewer items.). Weedle McHairybug 02:49, October 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Then, it should be better to take pictures with a software (like PrtScr). You can also use PCSX2 (A playstation 2 emulator). Because the quality of the current pictures, and it's normal since the camera that you have is not designed to take pictures from a screen is really bad. If you can't or if you don't want for some reasons, it should be better to request Hi Quality pictures on my page from things that you want and I'll do my best to upload them. Because at the moment, it doesn't looks professional nor something to display on a high quality Wiki(a). I'll take the lead for Pictures as you can see, so it should be better to improve text, description or other such things. Yoann718 07:28, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

RE: MGS4 website downloads.
Hi Weedle. I've never used the website so I can't really offer any assistance. Sorry I couldn't help--Soul reaper 01:58, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

I checked out the website, the Sunny Camera can't actually be downloaded as such, it can only be embedded, which, as far as I know, isn't possible to do on wikia. I might look into it a bit more to see if something can be done.--Soul reaper 07:27, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

Re:I kinda need some help with images.
I'll get on it right away. As I don't really know what each image is, I'll upload them but leave it to you to ad them to the page. By the way, two of the eight images you linked me to are the same. Are there seven or eight images that you need?--Soul reaper 02:17, October 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've uploaded all 8 images.--Soul reaper 02:29, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

No problem, I'm glad to help. On the subject of the state soldiers, did you take the pictures from you psp screen or were they in a video on the internet. If they're on the net, you can give me a link and I can take screenshots of them but if they're on your psp then, obviously, I wont be able to help. Keep up the good work.--Soul reaper 02:49, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Re:M81 Woodland
After spending quite some time searching, I haven't even been able to find any mention of the M81 camo, except for on this site and a forum where you were asking if anyone could help you find an image. To be honest I'm beginning to doubt its existence. Where did you hear of it?

I found a site that had a link to an image of the wondergoo camo but the link was, to my disappointment, expired. Apparently it could be seen in the news section of the Konami website quite some time ago but after hours of searching the all the sites I could think of, I found nothing. At least we know for sure that this one is real.--Soul reaper 03:29, October 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * I know it was first mentioned by Muni Shinobu on her site, but she removed it by the time I returned there recently. Weedle McHairybug 09:13, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Gas mask
Hey Weedle, you mentioned that the Genome Combat Veterans wore gas masks? Was this from the novel? Your edit comment suggested that you were speaking about something from the game. --Bluerock 21:04, October 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * It was from the game. You encountered soldiers that were essentially reused models of the NBC units, only colored black. They could be found on the Communications Tower Walkway before accessing Tower B, and during the fight on the freight elevator in the Underground Maintenance Base. They were never named in-game, not even in optional codec calls (and believe me, I checked, at least with the Freight Elevator battle), so Genome Combat Veterans, given the fact that they were labelled as such during the fight with them in the Official Missions Handbook, was literally the only identifier they had, or at least the closest one to an identifier that could be found. Weedle McHairybug 22:22, October 14, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the images. They do indeed look like black NBC troops in Twin Snakes. Yet in the original, the similarity is not as apparent, and it is difficult to identify any gas mask, if indeed there is one. I assumed they were heavy troops in slightly different gear, due to the coloration. Also, the troops who arrest Snake, after his battle with Sniper Wolf at Communications Tower A, are actually light infantry in the original. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it only the Stealth Camo soldiers that the strategy guide claimed were "Genome Combat Veterans"? --Bluerock 09:17, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * They also referred to the genome soldiers that ambushed Snake on the freight elevator in the Undeground Maintenance Base as "veteran Genome guards" in the Mission objectives section. I kinda wish there was something identifying them in-game. And they were also light infantry in the Twin Snakes remake when they arrest Snake after his battle with Sniper Wolf. Weedle McHairybug 10:58, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Raiden artwork
Hi Weedle, Where did that image of Raiden you just uploaded come from. I searched everywhere I could think of but found no source.--Soul reaper 11:09, October 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * The place where I directly found it was on MGSforums. As for where it originally came from, it was uploaded by Hideo Kojima via his twitter account. Weedle McHairybug 12:36, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I looked on both Kojima's accounts and couldn't find the image in a single post. I think it's real but we may have to remove it from the pages until we know for sure.--Soul reaper 14:31, October 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * From what little intel I got on MGSForums, it was apparently posted on Kojima's twitter account a few days ago. I'll try to get more information out later, such as an actual link to the twitter post in question. Weedle McHairybug 14:36, October 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link. It's nice to see an image from Rising after all this time. For some reason I didn't need a twitter account to see it, guess I beat the system.--Soul reaper 06:54, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Comeplete yet?
What is taking so long to finish the cutscene count? It's been nearly a year and a half.

I do have one question. Do the Gekkos have the ability to turn off The System? When Ocelot coducts his

two test. We hear them before The System is turned off. Can they do that?

ArmsTech speculation
I was referring to your own speculation that ArmsTech arranged the CNO's death, rather than Nastasha's general comment on the affair. --Bluerock 17:21, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Watch this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORcfhsUa4z8

As you can see, the walls and floor are soaked with blood. There's no chance that came from a rail gun. One Navy Seal didn't even bleed on the bridge when he was shot. The only thing that killed him was the fall into the ocean after looking at Fortune. Plus Vamp even says "five today" after sucking the blood of the last surviving Navy Seal. Hence, he killed the three Navy Seals from the bloody hallway and the Navy Captain and sucked their blood. 98.221.192.218 21:19, December 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * There are actually a total of seven dead SEAL members in Strut B (two in the exterior corridor, five in the interior room), as well as the Navy captain, despite Vamp saying "five today." Additionally, a person actually taking a direct hit from a rail gun is likely to result in massive injury; the SEALs on the bridge appear to react more to the explosive force than anything. Although there is no solid evidence that Fortune killed any of Alphas in Strut B, I thought I would point out some holes in your theory, and I'm sure that Weedle has seen all the MGS cutscenes anyway. --Bluerock 10:39, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, I did see all the cutscenes as a favor for Gekkou. I did attempt to report the amount of cutscenes in there, but he ended up posting something before I could, thus ruining it, and since this was around the same time the wikia's layout was changed, I also couldn't copy them to repost it. Weedle McHairybug 11:08, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wrong, three are in the exterior corridor. Two are lying on the floor. The third is lying on the door. I know that that Vamp killed the four Navy Seals and the captain in the room. One of them managed to shoot hundreds of rounds without reloading. When Vamp said "five today", I assumed he meant the people whose blood he sucked, not the amount of people he killed. Vamp didn't have time to suck the blood of three of the Navy Seals in the room. Also, Snake Tales didn't change the hallway in "Dead's Man Whisper". I assumed that was more confirmation that Vamp killed them in the Plant Chapter. Anyway, fine. You were right. I was wrong. Fortune killed the Navy Seals in the hallway. I apologize. I'm certain Vamp killed the Navy Captain though. His throat and wrists were slit. --98.221.192.218 14:53, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Overrated
I think the title speaks for itself. I'm about to ask the one question that will mostly bring down hate upon me.

Does anyone but me thinks that the Metal Gear Franchise is highly overrated?

When you really think about it Metal Gear is a good series. But I think they worship a little too much?

The games aren't perfect you konw. It suffers from plot holes glitches and somewhat boring storylines.

And on top of that they god worship Kojima as if he's a Jesus like messiah. Which his is not.

No game is 100 percent perfect. Not even Metal Gear. Japanese video games suffer from the same thing

anime suffer from. Limited movement subpar stories and cardboard cut characters and over emotional.

That's why no one ever says nothing bad about Metal Gears or the technical flaws about it out of fear of the

BIG BAD Hardcore Fanboys and Fanbase who would sent hate mail and death threats. The point is do you

think the Metal Gear Franchise is highly overrated? Kojima is just a man not a God.


 * Why did you put this on Weedle's page? It would be better suited to a forum. Sign your posts in the future.--210.56.91.136 04:02, December 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * Because his page is safe from all the anger and hatred I would get.


 * Do you realize what I just asked? I asked is the Metal Gear franchise is overrated?
 * That said. Do you know what would have happened if I posted this on the forum.
 * They would come down upon with the wrath of God for for asking unwritten question never to
 * be ask out of fear of death threats and hate mail. You see what I'm saying?




 * But anyone can respond here, same as if you wrote it on a forum. I don't think you'll get much of a response either way. You wrote that Metal Gear was overrated on a Metal Gear fan site, people here are most likely going to disagree and even more likely to not care at all. It's your opinion. Please sign your posts--210.56.91.136 07:21, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the series can be over rated in some respects, but it's just opinion either way. I would recommend posting on the forums to see what others think; I doubt that you have anything to fear, as nobody here thinks Kojima is a god. --Bluerock 10:48, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's pretty much true, they're all opinions so it honestly shouldn't matter. Actually, the MGSForums seem to have a lot of users who seem to hate Kojima's guts for ruining the series (case in point, Nathan Snake), so you might fit in there, if anywhere else. Weedle McHairybug 11:01, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nathan Snake? But thank you for your opinions. I didn't think a lot of people hated Kojima.
 * All I've been hearing on Youtube and others is, OH Metal Gear is the greatest game no game out there is better then Metal Gear. Kojima is the second coming of Jesus. God damn people
 * get a grip. This is what I mean when people god worship this game a little too much.


 * And stated before uh who's Nathan Snake? But it's nice to see some intelligent people
 * left who are unbias about this franchise.
 * I wouldn't say he's unbiased, just that he's more against Kojima than possible. Anyways, he's a poster on MGSForums. Weedle McHairybug 17:56, December 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think we're forgetting the fact that saying you don't like the game is one thing.
 * Calling a franchise overrated well that's like putting a bulleye on your back.
 * Why do you think nobody on Youtube ever post any video saying Metal Gear is overrated why?
 * Because they god worship this series and are too stubborn and stupid to see that all games have some
 * flaws. Calling over Metal Gear is considered taboo to gamers. Why do you think nobody says nothing
 * truly bad about Michael Jackson they worship and loved him too much to speak hatefully ill will of him.


 * The point I'm making here is do you really think for one minute that if I posted this same topic on the forum you think I get a rational thinking users who will disagree yeah maybe. But the rest of them will be too busy condemning me in a backlash of hate and rage threating to find out where I live and murder me.
 * And for what? A video game? They want to kill over a video game?! BECAUSE THE STUPID FUCKING
 * MORONS ARE TOO BLIND THE FACT HEARING METAL GEAR IS SO GREAT OVER AND OVER
 * IT'S A ENOUGH TO MAKE A PERSON SNAP UNDER THE IDOICY DROLLING ASSHOLES. IT MAKE ME
 * WANT TO KILL THEM KILL THEM HUNT THEM DOWN IN BLOOD! (Record scratches)


 * I'm sorry. I didn't mean all that. I think it's starting to get to me. I just so tired of hearing Metal Gear this
 * Kojima that. It's getting on my nerves. Well I have nothing else to say. I'm sorry to waste all this space.
 * I just needed to vent out my frustration. Again I'm sorry. Bye.

I'm not going to Forum post Overrated.
As you can tell by the title I'm not going to post my overrated on the forum. I afraid I fear for my life more than the whims of what I really think. You tent to forget Metal Gear is like a religion to these hardcore fanboys. They've not going to stand around and let someone bad mouth it no matter how bad it is.

Here a quick example. Let's say you Weedle McHairybug. I find your user name funny. Anyway. Let's say for the

sake of argument. Decided to post on the MGS Forum or Youtube stating why is highly overrated. He explains

his reason why he thinks that. the plots plot holes the story etc. Now do you really think for one minute that

your going a rational thinking responds from level headed users? Yeah one or two maybe. But the rest of them

will be too busy shouting hate and insanity at you. Threating to murder you if they meet you in person.

And you Weedle McHairybug. I find your name funny to say. You made it worse by posting your real name and

where you live. The point is I'm not going to do it. Do I think Metal Gear is overrated? Hell yeah. So is Final Fantasy 7. Bye.

Finish yet
I hate to be pushy but have you finish the cutscene question yet? I like to know before the end of the world in 2012.

Or so they say.

I find the ration quote ironic.
In the U.S. version, all of the curry rations are stated to be MSF made. Technically, Big Boss's quote doesn't make sense because they already started making MSF rations. Also, I didn't know MSF soldiers mentioned tea and scones. I wonder how many other random soldier quotes I haven't seen. --98.221.192.253 20:06, December 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * I actually had to do a roughly two-day project with Peace Walker regarding the post-mission codec calls, mostly in regards to those codec calls that are either unavailable anywhere else (eg, pretty much any of Kazuhira Miller's reports on additions to Mother Base's menu/MSF's divisions, or the messages that appear after assigning Huey and/or Strangelove to the R&D Team) or are otherwise never printed on the script on Gamefaqs yet are fully replayable (eg, Amanda's recruitment call and Huey's recruitment call). I finished it today at 9:40 EST with the final Zadornov escape message (I was done with finals by the time I started). As for the soldier quotes, perhaps I should create an article or at least a new section on the Character Traits article for the Peace Walker quotes? I've found quite a few myself. Weedle McHairybug 20:22, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Screenshot from MSF fleet
You asked from Bluerock about screenshots from MSF fleet when they headed for missile base. I go ahead and took few pictures, they might be bad quality since my camera isn't the best of kind, but I guess it's better than nothing... But those three are the best quality out of them, let me know if I need to get another set of photos or something like that. Dr.Ed Argon 22:49, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It works in absence of a more quality screenshots. Weedle McHairybug 23:52, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Nice to see someone else also took cotice of the bandana and took initiative too.

Can I ask you three questions?
If Fatman was not shot in the heart, what caused his death? He only spoke to Raiden for like two minutes. That's pretty quick to die from a bullet to the chest. Fortune lasted a lot longer. President Johnson was definitely shot in the heart. As for the other thing, didn' t Fatman mean that Raiden should finish him off? He told him to bring it on. The whole point of his test was to prevent the Big Shell from being destroyed. Why would the Patriots be happy if the place was destroyed? I'm confused. Please explain both things to me. 68.45.60.20 18:56, January 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * Finally, something that can allow me to edit other than via the "undo" button.


 * Anyways, to answer your question, I initially thought being shot in the heart would have been instantaneous, and Fatman's being shot seemed a bit longer than usual. I guess I guessed wrong. As for the Patriots and the issue with the S3 plan, had the point of the test been to avoid destroying the Big Shell, then Raiden failed as soon as Arsenal Gear was activated (since that did cause the destruction of the Big Shell). Not to mention, the Patriots considered the S3 plan a "resounding success" in spite of Solid Snake's presence, something that Ocelot and GW's Colonel implied was detrimental to the S3 plan's success, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were content with the destruction of the Big Shell. Besides, the Patriots often had a tendency of keeping their operatives in the dark about their true plans for the S3 plan (They led Ames to believe that Raiden would assassinate President Johnson, they manipulated Johnson's betrayal in the first place, they kept Emma in the dark about the terrorist occupation of Big Shell in actuality being part of the testing process for GW, and apparently they even tricked Ocelot into thinking that the S3 plan was trying to create the next Solid Snake rather than a means to control humanity and craft personalities, memories, and perceptions of events), so its not like that would have to be the honest goal for them, just a means of convincing Fatman into participating, similar to how they lied about Raiden being the assassin to execute Johnson or even that Ames' coverstory was airtight. Weedle McHairybug 19:07, January 16, 2012 (UTC)


 * I actually meant "test" in regards to the C4. Ocelot said Fatman tested Raiden's progress. And Olga said Raiden passed with flying colors. --68.45.60.20 19:16, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Alaska
Fair enough, but please integrate the info already there into the new sections and delete any repetition. Thanks. --Bluerock 19:44, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

MPO images
No offence Weedle, but most of the images you have uploaded recently are really poor quality. If you're taking them from YouTube videos, I would strongly suggest using the ctrl+PrntScr function on your keyboard, pasting them in an image program, then cropping them down if need be. They will look a lot better than taking them with a camera from your monitor. --Bluerock 23:41, February 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, you can delete them if you wish. Weedle McHairybug 23:51, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Actually, the deletion will have to wait. I'm trying to do ctrl+PrntScr on the full screen, but I'm unable to do so without it going back to the regular version of the Youtube video page. If you have any ideas on how to do it on full screen, feel free to explain it. Weedle McHairybug 23:55, February 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's tricky, but it can be done if you're quick. It's probably easier just to screen capture the normal sized window and then crop it down. --Bluerock 23:58, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I just tried the ctrl+PrntScr code (at least, I think "Print Screen" is the same as "PrntScr"), and it doesn't seem to be doing a thing. I'm using Windows 7, BTW, so assuming that the coding is different, I'm probably going to need something that applies to Windows 7. Weedle McHairybug 00:04, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a universal keyboard shortcut, like Ctrl+V and Ctrl+C; doesn't matter what operating system you have (I have Win7 too). Just practise it anywhere, then paste into a program like Paint, and it'll copy an image of whatever was on screen. --Bluerock 02:18, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's another thing. How do I paste it on Paint? There's no paste option on Paint, not to mention if I click on the mural, it leaves a mark, and doesn't even have a way to correct it. Weedle McHairybug 19:47, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Try the edit menu at the top, or Ctrl+V; you can't do it via right mouse click. --Bluerock 21:00, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I managed to do it. I'm also trying to crop the image in question and remove anything that's not the video itself, but I'm not sure how to do it. I took a computer class, but I'm not sure how to do it under Microsoft Paint. Weedle McHairybug 21:06, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Edit > Select all > Drag the image up and to the left to crop those sides of the image. Deselect the image (click outside the selected area), then use the small boxes located on the very edges (in the centre of both the bottom and right sides of the whole area) to complete the cropping. There are other types of software that do this more easily, but it should work ok. --Bluerock 01:44, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't have an edit menu on Paint. What's the other kind of software for me to do this? Weedle McHairybug 01:56, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you've got the Win7 version, all the buttons should be at the top, under the Home or View tab, you can't miss them. Select all can also be done with Ctrl+A. Otherwise, you could try downloading PhotoScape or something for free. --Bluerock 11:47, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Avatar
Hey Weedle, you should really choose an avatar for your user profile. You've been editing here for over 2 years now. It doesn't have to be an image of yourself, you could just choose one that's already on the Wiki like me :) --Bluerock 11:25, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice work with the MGO equipment page by the way. --Bluerock 19:26, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm currently undecided on what my avatar should be. That's why I haven't done it yet. And you're welcome. I just wanted to make sure it was completed before MGO is shut down. At the very least, I managed to get everything up to date (although trying to upload the varying equipment is probably going to require far more work, not just the backs, but also the varying colors.). The user who created the Graduation Speech page is going to take care of the Graduation Speech page, as finding speeches that aren't already on the article are hard to come by. Weedle McHairybug 21:06, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

What's an FX9 novelization?
I've never heard of that. 68.45.180.34 18:49, March 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's also known as the Worlds of Power novelizations, which are serial novelizations that are produced by Scholastic. They are Third-Party renderings of various NES Games. The Metal Gear one in particular was written in 1988 by Alexander Frost. It made some more changes to the games than even the localized manuals, such as renaming FOXHOUND as "Snake Men." It also gave Solid Snake the name of Justin Halley. Weedle McHairybug 18:55, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

So you did get the guide?
I'm touched. I told you the guide said EVA never knew that Ocelot was pretending to be Liquid. 68.45.180.34 21:22, March 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know, I know. Also, for the record, I actually had it for a while. Weedle McHairybug 21:29, March 11, 2012 (UTC)

You played Snake Eater 3D?
If so, great. That drill also happened in the original version. I was confused when I first saw it happening. I haven't played Snake Eater 3D though. I don't have a Nintendo 3DS. I'm surprised they brought back Heather Halley just to say the name Yoshi. --68.45.180.34 13:29, March 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep. I pretty much got it on the same day it came out. The fact that the campus held a student study day and thus did not have classes also helped immensely. Granted, I wish they actually listed EVA's voice actor by her real name than by her alias, seeing how most people would probably already know that its an alias by now, especially after Hayter pretty much admitted it, but oh well. Also, I'm actually surprised that calling Sigint when wearing the Fruit camouflage doesn't trigger a Codec conversation, when calling him when wearing the GAKO camo in the original game did. Weedle McHairybug 14:09, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Early HF Blade screenshot.
I see what you mean, but the Metal Gear Solid HD Collection has been released (I own it), and Raiden never received the HF blade early, making the information inaccurate, which is why I removed that note. Notes like them probably belong in a trivia section, too. The screenshot is probably from a second playthrough.--Technobliterator 17:47, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Radio images Snake Eater
Hey Weedle, I will see what I can do if I get the time. However, I wonder how useful these images will actually be, since they were deliberately made grainy and low quality to simulate old slide projectors in the game. --Bluerock 18:44, March 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, for starters, some of the images, such as that device that appears in both the Motion Detector and the Active Sonar conversations, would be a good way to show the full device. In the case of the food, it would be a good idea to add them in so the player can actually see the food/medical herbs in-game. The NPC enemies would also probably work in regards to additional info. Also, for pictures such as the additional images of EVA, Zero, Sigint, and Para-Medic in the game, they'd demonstrate some character traits and probably some of their past (eg, Zero with The Boss in the fifth page of the radio, or Para-Medic helping a wheelchair bound patient in her fifth page, also that image of EVA working in some sort of suit to imply her role as an NSA officer prior to her "defection."). Plus, that image of The Boss and The Sorrow, which is also seen during her montage on her past prior to fighting her, could be incorporated in the section of her article that dealt with her life between her failed Mercury Mission and the Virtuous Mission. Anyways, just food for thought, if it can't be added in, fine. Weedle McHairybug 21:34, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

RE:MGO
I'm afraid that's a no to the first, thus I'm unable to get the pictures. I had difficulty trying to set Metal Gear Online up, as when I triedto us it, I needed to download several updates, which as you may know take forever to download, and when I was over half way through the update failed to download and I gave up there. Sorry :/--Technobliterator 21:26, March 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Eh, oh well. I'll try continuing to search for them. I tried Bing and Google for those items, and the only images that could be found (on a topic of those items in MGO) can't even be displayed anymore thanks to the image hosting site apparently taking them down. Weedle McHairybug 21:36, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Rising edits
Can you please give some sources for all this new info, so that it is clear that it is not just speculation? e.g. How do you know for certain that the Army of the Devil, or even Solidus Snake, is involved (besides John Cygan's voice)? Thanks. --Bluerock 21:59, May 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, a post for the Metal Gear Solid facebook page confirmed that the flashbacks were meant to show Solidus' training of Raiden as a Child Soldier during the Liberian Civil War. Here's the link:


 * https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150695008770986&set=a.381327975985.168167.285152375985&type=3&permPage=1


 * Weedle McHairybug 22:14, May 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Can we be sure that the minor characters in the trailer are actually canon? It's live action after all. Resident Evil 5 did the same thing with their trailers. By the way, thanks for the confirmation about Solidus being in the game. --68.45.180.34 01:44, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Given the fact that the Metal Gear Solid Facebook page pretty much stated that they explained Raiden's past in detail, not to mention the fact that the point of the trailers was to reveal the reasons for some of his enhancements, I'd say they are intended to be as canon as possible. And you're welcome. Weedle McHairybug 01:57, May 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Weedle, Solidus (b. 1972) was a teenager/early 20's during the First Civil War (1989-1996) -- he wouldn't look so old as that picture depicts. I can understand where you're coming from, it certainly evokes the visage of Solidus, but there again is another interesting thing -- the dark side of the face is on the right eye, not the left. That points to Big Boss. Not Solidus, who would not lose his left eye until 2009 anyways. Big Boss would match the age and appearance of that man. ~Orca*
 * That dark side is not an eyepatch, if that's what you're implying. That's simply shadowing. The next trailer pretty much confirms that he does retain both eyes, meaning it is indeed Solidus. Besides, its not like Solidus couldn't have appeared middle aged as a teenager. If he could appear to be a Senior citizen by his late thirties, he most certainly could appear at least middle aged by his teens. Weedle McHairybug 10:09, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Edit: The point of who it is is also a moot point, anyways, as the Metal Gear Solid Facebook page already confirmed that the guy in those flashbacks was supposed to be Solidus, anyways. Weedle McHairybug 11:49, May 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just a friendly reminder about including sources for new and developing info concerned with Rising. I know you do this sometimes in the edit comments, but many people will not see these. Also, if you get information from other fan sites (e.g. Snake Soup), they will usually give links to where they themselves got the info, so you can check for yourself if you are concerned about accuracy. --Bluerock 17:06, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * About Snake Soup, that's going to be a problem, because the specific source cited was a post by Ravi where he stated that he found the poster at his school. He didn't even specify which school he goes to in his post, and he claimed to have an eyewitness account on it and that he took pictures of it. I'll certainly post the new sources for the other stuff, though. Weedle McHairybug 17:31, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

New trailer.
I wonder what happened to Rosemary and John? The ending of MGS4 stated that Raiden was "done running" and that Rosemary was "done being afraid". I guess maybe they got killed. The trailer did say "family murdered". Also, thanks for the name of the cyborg. I knew he wasn't Vamp. 68.45.180.34 19:20, June 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * The "family murdered" thing was most likely a reference to Solidus orphaning him and then taking him to raise as if he were his own son. The same scene also mentioned a civil war, and the scene also had Raiden as a small kid (like four or five), meaning it was likely a reference to the Liberian Civil War. The rest of the trailer also had similar messages and scenes in the beginning. That being said, it's clear that something had to have happened to have Raiden join a PMC. Then again, going by his behavior in the trailer, maybe he really is "done running" in that he fully embraces being a soldier. Also, the thanks should actually go to the users at GameFAQs and MGSForums, since they mentioned that Sam's name was uttered in the pre-E3 show. Weedle McHairybug 19:33, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

What's "Magpul dynamic gun combat style"?
Never heard of it.


 * Another unregistered user briefly mentioned the style on the Solid Snake talk page, regarding the combat style that Snake was using during Metal Gear Solid 4. Weedle McHairybug 17:08, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Where did you get the information about Raiden becoming a mercenary to support Rosemary and John?
I'm glad they are finally mentioned. I assumed they were killed.

76.116.65.4 17:36, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

It was in an interview with Yuji Koreikado. I'll post the link to it when I can find it again. Weedle McHairybug 17:46, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Please do. 76.116.65.4 17:47, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Okay, I managed to find it:

http://www.g4tv.com/videos/58828/official-e3-preview-of-metal-gear-rising-revengeance/

It's also the same interview that explained what the Desperado PMC was all about, as well as its ties to Raiden becoming a Cyborg Ninja again.

Weedle McHairybug 18:03, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Project Itoh novel
Thanks for providing the source. Without it, there was no indication of where the information originated from (you should do this on other pages where it is not clear).

So, the shot was intended to put Vamp to sleep? Strange, it didn't seem to have this effect on the soldiers who took it in the game (unless it was off camera). Anyway, nice to see they released the book in English. Can you quote the novel's reference to Tselinoyarsk actually being Zanzibarland now? Thanks.

--Bluerock 18:28, June 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's taken a while, but I think I found it. Specifically, it's in Otacon's account on Naomi Hunter in the beginning of the Old Sun section.


 * "When secession movements erupted in the Soviet republics of Central Asia, one territory remained crucial to the motherland as a religious cushion between the neighbring Muslim states, and the reformed Russian government wasn't about to let it go. As the Soviet military had invaded Afghanistan, the Russian armed forces were detached to the territory of Tselinoyarsk.


 * "Yet the child state, certainly no major military power, somehow prevailed in the conflict. According to rumor, one man had organized a mercenary army, supplied a torrent of arms, and provided training on the ground. The newly independent people named their country Zanzibar Land."


 * Weedle McHairybug 01:45, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's on page 246, if you're curious. Weedle McHairybug 02:01, June 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Cheers! It's good that we can refer directly to the source now. Is the book any good? I heard the MGS1 and 2 adaptations by Benson weren't that great, but haven't read them myself. --Bluerock 12:13, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, if you thought In the Darkness of Shadow Moses was good, I'm pretty sure you'll find the MGS4 novelization good as well, as they are written in a very similar style and are both giving the impression of being written in-universe by one of the characters (in this case, Hal Emmerich/Otacon). It also expands on some elements of prior games as well as main ones, and some of them even incorporate elements formerly used in the Official Missions Handbook. There are changes, of course. Namely, the Beauty and the Beast Unit is cut from the novel, the part about Solid Snake being taught tracking by Raiden was also removed (in fact, Drebin picked him up via a tip from Otacon), several bits of dialogue were moved around to different parts, and Big Boss apparently ditched the eyepatch, I suspect as a result of the surgery used on him to restore him. Weedle McHairybug 12:26, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's why I'm not sure the novel is 100% outcome. The Beauty and the Beast unit being omitted totally contradicts the game. Also, the ending of MGS3 implied that Big Boss was reluctant to shake Lyndon Johnson's hand because of his involvement in Operation Snake Eater. Not because of John Kennedy's assassination. --76.116.65.4 12:36, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * The novelization does actually still keep that implication (the part about his involvement in Operation Snake Eater, I mean), it just mentioned that his being made president because of Kennedy's assassination was also a contributing factor. And besides, even In the Darkness of Shadow Moses omitted the fights with some of the other FOXHOUND members (certainly Psycho Mantis and the rematches of Sniper Wolf and Vulcan Raven), and that book was definitely canon, seeing how Raiden referred to the book twice. Weedle McHairybug 12:42, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * True, but at least Mantis, Wolf and Raven were actually mentioned in the book. --76.116.65.4 12:45, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, never mind, "Moses" does allude to those fights, but only very briefly. Weedle McHairybug 12:49, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, thanks for posting articles on Big Boss and Solid Snake. So there are going to be two other new Metal Gear games. I thought Solid Snake was finished. The Patriots are gone, Ocelot and Liquid are dead, and he was knocking on death's door. Who is he going to fight? As for Big Boss, I hope his game reveals whether Paz survived falling head first into the Atlantic Ocean. I would think the fall would be enough to kill her instantly but as you and Bluerock have pointed out, Big Boss has managed to survive those type of falls. --76.116.65.4 18:38, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * MGS5 (the one Solid Snake is going to be in) is most likely going to take place some time before Metal Gear Solid 4 (either between MGS1 and MGS2, MG and MG2, or, albeit less likely, MGS2 and MGS4). I'm not sure if they are actually two separate games or if the "Next Metal Gear" and MGS5 are one and the same, though. If they are the same, it's also very likely that it will involve a remake of the MSX2 games. How else are Big Boss and Solid Snake going to be together in a single game? Weedle McHairybug 18:55, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

can we discuss about a few things relating to mgs 2 possibly?