Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-166.137.88.23-20130610185107/@comment-1971498-20130622093438

Bluerock wrote:

80.75.99.120 wrote: Where is that function of the new FOXDIE explained? Way I understood it was basically same kind of FOXDIE than 9 years before (which could kill unharmed victim), only targets were different.

It's speculation. I said it may have functioned like that to explain why Liquid wasn't affected immediately. It targets people by their DNA, same as the earlier form, but beyond that, who knows. Add on the fact that it took a long while before Eva was affected as well. My guess with Ocelot is that it has to do with the fact that the nanomachines inside him didn't register with the new FOXDIE immediately. Not so much out of Liquid "possessing" him, but the AIs probably took the logical standpoint of going for Ocelot's nanomachine signature and didn't expect how much he really internalized the Liquid role.

As for the comment that Ocelot is more like a "Boba Fett" in comparison to Liquid's "Darth Vader", I would have to respectfully disagree. Ocelot has been well-regarded as a long-running antagonist and a relentlessly deceitful mastermind to the point that he essentially became the quintessential antagonist barring the Zero and his Patriot AIs. Liquid was great as a personal mirror to Solid Snake, but Ocelot is a whole different story. To dismiss him as merely having the role of a right-hand man would be playing right into the kind of scheme that Ocelot oh so commonly purported throughout the series, only to pop up at the end turn the whole situation around its head.

As for the ruse being so "convoluted", it's actually so simple: the Patriots AIs underestimated Ocelot because they thought he was merely Liquid 2.0. Had they known that Ocelot was very much conscious of what he was doing and actually acting based on his own choice of will, they would've focused all their resources on getting rid of him as best as they could and actually taking him more seriously as a threat. Instead, they went with the same old FOXDIE route (the same thing from Liquid) and just left it at that.

Also the idea that Ocelot was being controlled against his will? I've said it once, I'll say it again, who's to say that Ocelot was against Liquid's mentality in regards to fulfilling Big Boss's dream? Heck Ocelot had all the incentive to do it. Let's not forget that Ocelot joined FOXHOUND specifically because of his admiration for Big Boss, not to mention intentionally joining Liquid's side due to being a clone nonetheless. Also one major difference between Liquid's Outer Heaven and Ocelot's Outer Heaven is that Liquid wanted to practically rule the world through deterrence and monopolizing warfare. Ocelot? The guy just wanted chaos and anarchy because of his own twisted sense and desire for freedom in light of the Patriots' rule.

I don't know, I just find it ridiculous how people keep insisting that Liquid somehow had more presence as a world-encompassing antagonist over Ocelot especially considering how Ocelot himself was not only the son of The Boss, he was also a friendly rival of Big Boss (practically reaching a stalemate in their eventual CQC battle) and finally, one of the founding members of The Patriots itself.