User talk:Bluerock

Hi, welcome to the Metal Gear Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Metal Gear Acid page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Fantomas (Talk) 14:29, September 30, 2009

Wiki Adoption
Hi. Thanks for linking to the blog. I have given you admin and bureaucrat rights. Good luck with the wiki! -- Wendy (talk ) 02:26, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Congratulations Bluerock!--Soul reaper 11:18, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

News addon
Hi.

I think we really should add in some news that was revealed recently. For starters, I think we should add in the fact that, in addition to Snake Eater 3D, the HD collection, and Peace Walker HD Edition, there is a hint that there is at least one new Kojima Productions game on the KP website that will be unveiled at TGS.

Here's the source, BTW. http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/tgs_2011/

Weedle McHairybug 16:59, September 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * Good idea. Feel free to update the news template here with a brief note on these, but make sure to include relevant and reliable sources. --Bluerock 19:23, September 15, 2011 (UTC)

Background
Hey! Me again! Congrats on admin! I have a question though. How does your wiki have a picture background on both sides of the page? My wiki was trying to get something similar, but could only get a picture on the left side. -- ☢Valoopy☣ 15:46, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

Question about Gary McGolden.
What really caused McGolden's tiny hole next to his ear? His neighbors said they didn't see a UFO. Also, I'm not sure he actually made it to Shadow Moses. He supposedly went to another smaller island. Singularity87 15:51, September 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * If you recall, this guy is a paranoid conspiracy theorist who supposedly dressed as a giant tuna to reach the island, and cast himself as a tough character that always kept his cool. I believe the newspaper article was intended to be a little hazy when it came to the absolute truth, fitting in with the overall theme of MGS2. That's why he only "supposedly" travelled to Shadow Moses as doubts were raised (in-universe) as to whether he actually did or not. --Bluerock 17:12, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Speaking of which, what was the make of the black chopper that both Dee and McGolden mentioned? All I know is that it was square-shaped and black. The closest thing that matches up with it is the Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawk, but I'm not sure if that's what this is referring to. Weedle McHairybug 17:55, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know about a specific model, but mysterious black helicopters are common in conspiracy theories, regarding experimental aircraft created by the military. --Bluerock 19:37, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't know you think McGolden made the whole thing up. I always assumed he was telling the truth about what happened to him. How else would he have known about the FOXDIE disc? As for the tuna, I guess I'm gullible. Still, if Liquid Snake can avoid having his skin burned to a crisp after being in an exploding helicopter, Gary swimming in a tuna doesn't sound far-fetched. What do YOU think really happened? At the very least, Gary getting the disc and Snake rescuing him is the truth. He also said his neighbor disappeared. That implies his neighbor was killed.--Singularity87 21:23, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't say he made the whole thing up, but he likely embellished his story a little. According to his editor, all evidence pointed to his not having visited Shadow Moses at all. Therefore, caution should be taken when describing the events that supposedly happened to him, since the event is entirely from his perspective. As for my opinion, he was probably being truthful for the most part; it just didn't happen at Shadow Moses. --Bluerock 22:45, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * .....or did it? I guess we can't be sure. --Bluerock 22:48, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

DLC packages.
Hi.

I recently created an article regarding the DLC content for Peace Walker, and I was wondering if you could help in regards to adding info into the article (assuming of course you try to download DLC content). Currently, although I've recorded some of the uniforms, I still haven't managed to locate the camo data for the other uniforms. Plus, there aren't any pictures of the uniforms in DLC 1, 2, 8, 10, 11, and 12 (well, maybe there is one for the last three, but the picture's source is too ambiguous to discern where it came from). I'd hunt the information for those myself, but let's just say that wifi and downloading from metalgearsolid.org is currently not acting friendly towards me. I'd also appreciate it if you also could do DLC content for the Japanese version, but then again, you might not have the Japanese version.

Anyways, hope you can help.

Weedle McHairybug 13:10, September 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't own the Japanese version, but I have downloaded content for the English version, so I'll add what I can soon. --Bluerock 18:08, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * :::Thanks, although we pretty much got all of the downloaded content up save for most of the naked uniforms and possibly the Walkman t-shirt by the time your responded, sorry. Weedle McHairybug 18:10, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. I was just looking through the article and couldn't see exactly what else you needed. --Bluerock 18:12, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the only thing the article might need might be the Walkman T-shirt. If you have it, you could take a picture of it and upload it. Other than that and possibly the naked variants of the DLC uniforms, that's about it in regards to Outside Japanese DLC content (Although I did find some screenshots that indicated that some Japanese DLC content were released statewide). Weedle McHairybug 13:34, October 1, 2011 (UTC)

New look for the wiki
Hey Bluerock, I made this bog the other day. It's about updating the wiki's appearance and it has a couple of images of my design for the wiki. Could you please check it out and tell me what you think?--Soul reaper 05:10, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Shadow Moses images Yoann718
Now, I don't really care about what will happen with all those pictures, which will be finally be in a dusty gallery hahaha ^_^ (The example in Okami's Wiki is, for me at least, horrible as hell ^_^).

The goal was to have a professional perspective of a "touristic" place. But oh well...

So good luck for this article, and have a nice day :)

ByeYoann718 19:28, October 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't take it as an offense. I truly understand this wikia's rules, but I don't really like those rules. It's hard for me to still work for a wiki which will go into a way i do not like nor support. It's not a matter of being offensed by someone nor a sentence. ^_^ Yoann718 20:02, October 4, 2011 (UTC)


 * If you really want my opinion... I don't like it. I made 6 pics in one line for some reasons in some areas (in the docks, it's to put each game on the same line, like 6 MGS pics on one line, and then, 6 pics MGS TTS on the other line). But again, it's not of my business now. I knew it wasn't a "perfect" presentation for an article, but it was the best available with the wikia system. I tried to see if I could remove the "add a picture to this gallery" for each gallery, but it is, as far as I know, not available. Same with reducing space between two lines.
 * As of now, If you really want to make those kind of pics, it's a non sens to still keep all of them in each area section. Put everything in a gallery and it's okay. It willl be better than the actual presentation.
 * You can also make each gallery like this: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Tidus#Gallery
 * Then, it won't take any place and you can hide it. If I was still editing this, I would probably use this presentation.
 * It's better than Okami's wikia system, that's for sure...
 * But you can still do what you think the best, because I'm not really concerned now ^_^
 * Bye. Yoann718 04:50, October 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, I'll continue to bombard this wikia with high quality pictures. You can tell to people to leave a message in my page if they request/need a Pic from any MGS. You can also prevent them from uploading very bad  quality pictures and requesting in my page instead...
 * But I won't upload today, I'll wait a little until you'll shape the Shadow Moses Article in a good form.
 * It will be great to make each gallery like in the FF Wikia's Tidus article. We can try with a single area (The Docks/ Heliport) in order to see how it will looks like. I think it's the best solution in order to be able to read comfortably and to still have a huge amount of pictures availables NEAR the description (which is more logical and professional).
 * Oh, about the vehicles (since they don't have any description), maybe we can put them in each place? Like the Forklift in the Dock area, the Tank in the Tank Hangar... Instead of having another page which will have 3 words and one hundred pics...
 * And all those vehicles, excluding the Tank and the Hind D, aren't really used in the game. (You can put on a "Trivial" section the Truck box but it's not enough to make a whole article of this).
 * For the Gallery to hide/ show, I'll suggest to have 2/ 3 galleries for each place. One with MGS, the second with MGS TTS and the last for MGS4, with a "color code" (blue for MGS, green for MGS TTS, red for MGS4...). In the behind the scenes section, we'll tell the real legend from the colors (or not, since people will be able to figure it out easily). Of course, each gallery will be named in an in-univers sens (like "Dock Gallery in 2014" for MGS4. I won't use "cicra" since I don't really like this word XD). This will fix the "little picture" problem, since I'll be able to make 3 or 2 pics per line :)
 * Of course, in the Dock for example, there won't be any "MGS4 Gallery" displayed (nor red gallery), since there is no Dock in MGS4.
 * Like this:
 * == Dock ==
 * ==== Description ====
 * ==== Dock Gallery ==== (HIDE/ SHOW)
 * ==== Dock Gallery ==== (HIDE SHOW) (We'll find a name for MGS TTS).
 * And about MGS TTS pictures, it's a lot more logical to put them in this article, even if players don't like it or the game MGS4 don't refer to MGS TTS (which is logical since they refer to the original game...). MGS TTS is still on Shadow Moses Island and is a Metal Gear Solid, therefore it's a nonsens to skip it, especially when we know how much pictures of this game are pretty rare.


 * Above all of this, the most important to understand here is that this article is complex to shape because of this simple fact: it's currently used by 4 games (if we don't forget MGS2Doc).


 * See you later
 * Yoann718 18:31, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

New main page layout
Overview · Wiki tutorial · Help pages · Timeline · Family Tree · Navigation

The Metal Gear Wiki is a collaborative encyclopedia for everything related to the Metal Gear series. There are 1,137 articles and growing since this wiki was founded in August 2005. The wiki format allows anyone to create or edit any article, so we can all work together to create a comprehensive database for the Metal Gear series.

  

This is the code for the main page. Simply remove the existing code and add this in its place. If there are any missing elements (eg. images or templates), I'll add them to the wiki ASAP--Soul reaper 08:10, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

With your permission I'll also update the button images and upload the neccessary images for the wiki theme.--Soul reaper 08:29, October 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll have everything done as soon as I can.--Soul reaper 09:55, October 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Everything's ready now. Just say the word and I'll help you set it up. SHouldn't be too difficult and I'll do as much as I can myself but only you have access to the theme designer and any locked pages.--Soul reaper 10:59, October 6, 2011 (UTC)


 * Go ahead and update the main page. I haven't noticed any of the issues you mentioned but whatever they are, they should be easy to fix.--Soul reaper 01:38, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

The main page seems fine other than the strange issue with the activity feed. It seems to be that the first ten changes (which are all that should be showing) are fine, the last ten are appearing as bullet points. While it is a minor issue, i have left a message on the Wikia help forums to see what can be done. Hopefully it will be sorted soon.

The next change we should make happens in the Theme Designer. You should find a link to the theme designer in the "My Tools" section of the toolbar at the bottom of the page. If it isn't there for some reason then try THIS LINK. First save, then go to the wordmark tab of the theme designer. Under the "Graphic wordmark" section, click "choose file" and select the image you just saved, once that is done simply click upload. Now save this image and go to the customize tab. In the background section, leave the color white but use the graphic part to upload the image. Be sure to click the box that says "fix". With that done, click the "Save, I'm done button". It may take a few minutes for the changes to show up. Once you're done with that, we'll handle the CSS changes.--Soul reaper 08:32, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

The activity feed issue has been resolved--Soul reaper 09:35, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

The gap on the main page is due to an add which shouldn't be there or affect the page in the first place, let alone for registered users. We'll need to raise this issue with Wikia.--Soul reaper 09:44, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Alright, now that we've done everything else, it's time for the MediaWiki:Wikia.css. When you go to edit it, I want you to highlight and remove all the text on the page. I've found that some pieces of code rely on how they are ordered within the CSS so I've included all the currently existing code in the new code I'm about to give you. This means we'll still have all the functionality that we do now, plus the changes we need for the new theme. I've also added something that will remove the "image added by" that appears in image captions. It will make it easier to format images within the articles and it's well within the ToU. Now for the code:

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/* Hide "Image added by" on articles */ .picture-attribution { display:none !important; } Just paste it all in after removing the current code, then save. Again, it may take some time to show up on the wiki itself.--Soul reaper 10:35, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've fixed the See all font and made each image link somewhere else; the activity feed image links to the full activity feed and the Did You Know and News images link to their respective templates.


 * In regards to the ad, it should be simple for me to adjust the design to fit with the ad, if we can find some way to adjust the ad (within the ToU of course) it would be even better. If you want me to adjust the design now, I'll do so, or we can wait until we get a response from wikia, it's up to you. This problem arose because when I previewed the design, the ad problems didn't show up. It may be easier for me to change it if you temporarily unlock the main page. Again, it's up to you whether we do it now, or wait to hear from wikia.--Soul reaper 12:24, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I'll get on fixing the main page right away. As for the banner, you may need to clear your cache and refresh the page to get it to show up. I've done so and it's working fine for me.--Soul reaper 12:38, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, i just found out that some wikis don't have an ad there, so I'll send a message to inquire.--Soul reaper 12:44, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've made a minor change that seems to work pretty well. I'll keep thinking of what else could be done. In the meantime, I'd just like to give you my thanks for letting me do all this and helping out.--Soul reaper 13:12, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

I've found out that there is a way to have a main page without that ad. I'm looking into it now and as soon as I find out the details I'll let you know if it's possible for us to do here. As for the rectangular-shaped ad you mentioned, I can't really do anything about it until I see it myself. If/when I do encounter it i'll begin working on it right away.--Soul reaper 01:22, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

E-DEN Concept Art.
Hi.

Right now, there's a bit of a disagreement between me and Yoann regarding a picture of E-DEN, mainly about whether it should be posted on the Camouflage page.

Basically, I'm trying to re-insert the E-DEN picture because I found it on Muni_Shinobu's website, and thus was likely to be something official like concept art (I didn't see how it would have been otherwise, as the other pics accessible via hyperlink were either concept art or CGI models of the uniform, plus the hyperlink containing the picture has Konami.jp on it.). However Yoann (I can't use gender pronouns in regards Yoann yet since I don't know Yoann's gender) is trying to delete it because Yoann thinks it is a bad picture. I was thinking you or one of the higher level members might want to settle the dispute.

Here's the pic in question:



And here's where it came from:

http://muni_shinobu.webs.com/mgs3/camo.html

More specifically:

http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mgs3/japanese/pic/camo_unifo_E_DEN.gif

Weedle McHairybug 09:04, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright, you can still post them on the main article and feel a lot better now, since I'm leaving this wiki. Remember to post the two low res pics from the Bonsai and the USMX uniform too.
 * Since there is too much troubles here (I'm not uploading pics for that), I'm leaving. Bye Yoann718 09:23, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, Bluerock, you might have to punish me right now, if you plan to at least, seeing how this is most likely my fault. Weedle McHairybug 09:28, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not you fault Weedle, the image is official and as such has every reason to be placed on an article.--Soul reaper 09:45, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but part of the reason why Yoann left was also because I kept adding back in low-quality pictures, even when he was adding HQ pictures. Granted, I at least didn't try to remove his HQ pictures, but still... Weedle McHairybug 09:47, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's better to have low quality images of something than none at all. If we get the chance, we can always replace them with better ones but until then we should keep the low quality ones in the articles.--Soul reaper 09:53, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Soul reaper, you're speaking about something you don't even understand. I just don't understand the fact to ADD low quality pictures when I ALREADY ADDED HD PICS and removed low res pics. Is this more clear now or you need a scheme?
 * Now, speaking about this "official" image, I just wanted to remove it in order to upload a HD pic of the actual uniform, from the IN GAME viewer.
 * But don't worry about this now, since I won't upload pics anymore, you'll have plenty of low res pics from many users, including this beautiful draw that you can leave, and even put it on the main page as the "best picture ever" ^_^.
 * Yoann718 10:13, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * There's no point in getting so worked up about this, it's simple. If two images show the same thing, the lower quality on should be removed. If an image is official, it should remain on the page, even if everyone hates the image. So, if you're high quality images show the same things as the low quality ones then by all means, remove the low quality images. As for the drawing. It stays because it's official. You don't need to remove it to place the screenshot on the article, they can exist side by side.--Soul reaper 10:20, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * If you upload a new version of the same image it will replace the image in the article anyway, so there is no need to remove it. I must admit, it doesn't look like Konami's typical Camo images; can its source be confirmed other than Shinobu's website.--Bluerock 10:24, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, in regards to the E-DEN image, the hyperlink that has the image in question leads to Konami.jp, so that's one source other than Shinobu's website. I'll try to do some sleuthing on Konami.jp to find out more and verify if that's the case, though. Weedle McHairybug 10:33, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Okay, I found it: Here's the Konami.jp site that contains it. http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mgs3/japanese/camouflage_index.html
 * My guess is that it was rough draft concept art.
 * Weedle McHairybug 10:36, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * EDIT 2: One last thing, what is E-DEN supposed to be, anyways? I had to describe it as hippie because that's the only thing that came to mind, but otherwise I'm basically a total dummy when it comes to it. Weedle McHairybug 10:38, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Soul Reaper, it's not to me that you have to say "If two images show the same thing, the lower quality on should be removed", it's to Weedle McHairybug, which constantly revert my edits to add low res pics when I already added HD pics, you can see this in the Camouflage History (http://metalgear.wikia.com/index.php?title=Camouflage&diff=103401&oldid=103400 and http://metalgear.wikia.com/index.php?title=Camouflage&diff=103402&oldid=103401). And he's doing that with every article I modified. It's annoying. And removing this pic won't be a loss since it's a really, really bad quality. It's not because it's in Konami's website that it must be here too. Yoann718 10:39, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't "revert" your edits, I just added the old pictures back in without removing the HQ pics. Had it been a true reversion, I would have removed your HQ pics, but nonetheless, I'll stop if that's what needs to be done. Weedle McHairybug 10:48, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Ok. Weedle. Yoann has added High quality images that illustrate the same thing as the low quality ones, the high quality ones should stay on the page and the low quality ones should go.

Yoann, Weedle has agreed to stop reverting the removal of the low quality images.

The E-Den image may not be the most aesthetically pleasing image to come out of Metal Gear but it is official therefore it stays. Ideally we would have every single official image on the wiki. That's one of many goals we work towards. The E-Den one stays.--Soul reaper 10:50, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Of course he'll stop reverting the removal of low quality images, since I won't upload HQ pics anymore ^_^. And I really like how Weedle speak about the fact that he's not "removing my HD pics", looks like he's doing a big favour to me XD. Oh, and the goal to have every single official image is interesting, but only when you can show good stuff. When it comes to those kind of draws, it's not indispensable, since we all know that Shinkawa ca do a LOT better. Anyway, when such problems arises from a website, the best solution is to stay away. that's why I'm leaving. Bye and good luck Yoann718 12:21, October 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hasn't the original issue been resolved now? This whole thing just seems to be a simple misunderstanding. --Bluerock 12:30, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

One more question about McGolden's novel.
What is a "starving" college student supposed to mean? At first, I thought McGolden's neighbor was a skinny guy. 68.37.56.114 15:24, October 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe it just meant he was always out of money, since students typically spend it all on alcohol. --Bluerock 18:32, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Wiki editing issues.
Hi.

I'm wondering when the wikia is going to fix its current editing problem (a few times, its listing edits that are not only several hours old, but long outdated, as the absolute most recent edits on the wiki, and it seems to be affecting image uploads)?

Weedle McHairybug 17:19, October 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I've noticed that the most recent edits sometimes do not appear immediately but I'm not sure what is causing it. If you're referring to updated images, often times you have to clear your browser's cache to see the new image, but even this does not always work immediately. --Bluerock 17:30, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

RAY 3D Model.
Actually, the image encompassed both the prototype and mass produced versions of Metal Gear RAY. It isn't apparent because you need to click on it before you can see the animation due to it being a .gif file. Weedle McHairybug 12:33, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * I see, apologies. I wonder if there is a way to allow playback of animated gifs in the actual articles, like on other wikis? --Bluerock 12:43, October 12, 2011 (UTC)

Unidentified Gas mask soldiers (possibly Genome Combat Veterans)
In case you were wondering, these are the pics of the soldiers I was talking about that were stated to be Genome Combat Veterans in the Official Missions Handbook and weren't identified in the game itself. Weedle McHairybug 23:21, October 14, 2011 (UTC)



Comment on your "memories" section.
Same here. I also didn’t figure out where Meryl’s Codec frequency was. I also thought the “CD case” was referring to the MO Disc.--98.221.192.218 12:53, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if they'd just said something like "game case," it would have been clear. However, Snake being handed a "disk" in the exact same scene was just bound to create confusion. --Bluerock 14:34, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Question about Madnar's bio from the Database.
How exactly did Madnar "go into hiding"? EVA, Raiden and Otacon knew his name and where he lived. That's not exactly hiding. I don't think Madnar was a fugitive. --98.221.192.218 16:11, October 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * I can't recall the details of the other characters' knowledge, but Raiden may have learned of Madnar's whereabouts when he saved his life.


 * Also, what's with the Zanzibar Land reversion edits? Is this to do with the "Rose/Rosemary" dispute with Omega Fighter? If so, this should really stop, in all fairness. Rose is how the character is most commonly referred to, so it's really not that big a deal to use the shortened form in the article. --Bluerock 19:35, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

What's NEDW?
Hi.

Metal Gear 2 had some references from Madnar about NEDW. Can you explain to me what it is, assuming it even exists? I'm asking because the game never explains, I can't find it anywhere on the web, and not even the manual sheds light onto the subject. Weedle McHairybug 15:30, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have no idea. I remember trying to find out one time but didn't have much luck. Also, I wonder if the "brain bombs" were a reference to the music band. --Bluerock 21:17, October 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Brain bombs is a music band? News to me. Thanks for solving that mystery. I also tried looking up NEDW but I couldn't find anything. SDI stands for Strategic Defense Initiative. --98.221.192.218 21:54, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I knew about SDI being Strategic Defense Initiative, and while they didn't really elaborate much on brain bombs, even that was mentioned in the manual as well (apparently being developed in 1992), although I didn't know about it being a band until now. NEDW is the only thing Madnar mentioned that the only time it was even mentioned was from him. I mean, couldn't they at least mention it in the manual or something, even give the actual name rather than just an acronym? Weedle McHairybug 22:00, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Permission to create Drebin organization article?
Hi.

I was wondering if it was okay if I could create an article relating to the Drebin company that Drebin 893 belongs to. I thought I should ask permission because I didn't want to make a similar mistake to the Volgin's Anti-Khrushchev group article that I formerly created.

Weedle McHairybug 15:45, November 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * You don't really need my permission but thanks for discussing it beforehand. Perhaps it would be best to add the Drebins to "miscellaneous groups," unless you believe there is sufficient info to create a seperate page? Anyways, the reason for not having the "Volgin's Anti-Khrushchev" page was for several reasons: it was a broad political group/movement, rather than an organization headed by Volgin; he was only a member/supporter of this movement, and there was little info to be added that hadn't already been given on the Volgin and GRU pages. --Bluerock 19:28, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Does a list of weapons and equipment seen in his Stryker that's implied to be what he sells count as sufficient info? If not, I guess I could put it on the miscellaneous groups. Weedle McHairybug 21:11, November 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * The things in Drebin 893's Stryker could go on his own page. --Bluerock 21:56, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Mother Base gallery.
I agree with your decision to remove those pics of mine. They were of bad quality anyways (then again, the only method I actually know of to take pictures of what's happening in game short of the in-game rangefinder camera is via my digital camera). However, we're still going to need high quality images for the development of Mother Base pre-hexagon design. I'm uploading some now. Weedle McHairybug 21:51, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, but is it possible to take them after removing the scrolling Japanese text from the bottom (assuming that you have taken them yourself)? --Bluerock 22:15, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * The ones I recently uploaded were not taken by me. They came from this site:
 * http://www.joystiq.com/photos/metal-gear-solid-peace-walker-1-21-10/
 * I only used them because those were the only ones that were high quality and not obviously taken by a digital camera (The latter being the images that were removed from the gallery). I was planning on uploading some screenshots taken from the trailer as well, but most of them had a watermark from the website. Weedle McHairybug 22:20, November 7, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok, no worries. --Bluerock 22:24, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

How did EVA steal the weapons from the vault?
Weedle claims that EVA seduced the guards. http://metalgear.wikia.com/index.php?title=M1911A1&diff=97433&oldid=95842

To me, that does't make sense. Wouldn't the guards find it strange that she would want to go to the vault to begin with? --98.221.192.218 18:53, November 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * The problem is that the way she explained it to Snake implied seduction. Here's an example of what she said:


 * Snake: "EVA, about the .45 and the Mk22 you showed me..."
 * EVA: "Yeah?"
 * Snake: "You said you got them from a vault full of Western weapons, right?"
 * EVA: "That I did."
 * Snake: "How? A vault of secret Western technology should be under strict

surveillance."
 * EVA: "You really want to know?"
 * Snake: "Yeah."
 * EVA: "Really?"
 * Snake: "Yes."
 * EVA: "Well, I'm not telling anyway."
 * Snake: "Why not?"
 * EVA: "It'd be a waste of time."
 * Snake: "A waste of time?"
 * EVA: "Even if I explained how I did it, you'd never be able to do it yourself."
 * Snake: "What does that mean?"
 * EVA: "Exactly what it sounds like."
 * Basically, with the way she was explaining how she was doing it, the one thing that seemed accurate was seduction. Weedle McHairybug 19:15, November 11, 2011 (UTC)


 * It does sound like she "charmed" the guards in some manner, in order to access restricted areas (what that entailed is not made clear). It's doubtful that she would let the guards know exactly what she was up to. Since the story itself remains vague on the details, the article should be equally as ambiguous, and be left to the reader's interpretation, as it is in the game. --Bluerock 19:50, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

CIA/Coldman planning.
I'm still having problems reconciling why the CIA would demote and exile Coldman if he didn't plan the parts relating to the Virtuous Mission. Namely, Peace Walker implies that EVA's debriefing may have been orchestrated by the CIA as part of their cover-up, which would imply that The Boss's revelation was probably a half-truth. Because of that, it seems pointless to exile Coldman to Central America if he only planned Operation Snake Eater and had absolutely no involvement in what happened in the Virtuous Mission or even any knowledge of what happened, since even if he squealed about the part relating to the legacy, it still wouldn't hurt the CIA in the long run since it was still slight misinformation. Besides which, going by Ocelot's call, the real reasons for both missions (at least real in terms of EVA's debriefing) were also already leaked to the KGB, anyways. There's also a few problems overall with assuming that Coldman was only involved in planning Operation Snake Eater. First, his enthusiasm when revealing that he planned that mission doesn't really sound like someone who namely did what they had to do to clear his name. If anything, it sounded more like someone who was perfectly willing to set up some aspects to get someone killed. There's also the assumption that the Virtuous Mission and Operation Snake Eater were two different missions for all involved. EVA's debriefing implies that the Virtuous Mission and Operation Snake Eater were one and the same for The Boss in regards to her mission. Plus, when EVA told who The Boss was to Snake in 2014, she only cited that they had her killed due to fearing her charisma, leaving out that she was killed basically to "clear" their names from an incident where Volgin launched a nuke and made it seem as though America did it as well as gain the legacy, or even that she faked defection. As much as I want to believe that Coldman had absolutely no involvement in the Virtuous Mission, the evidence seems to contradict that notion, I'm afraid. Weedle McHairybug 14:48, November 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't know why they exiled him either; surely he wasn't the only one in the CIA who knew the truth of the Philosophers' Legacy? Takes a lot of people to organize such a complex operration. Maybe he just took the fall since he was the one in overall command? That point was left poorly explained in Peace Walker. --Bluerock 14:55, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that, had it been for preventing leaks, they already failed in that regard, seeing how Ocelot's call indicated that the KGB managed to find out about the true nature of both missions. Then again, going by what he said ("It's what the CIA does best. Either keep those in the know silent, or pack them off someplace where there's no one to listen to."), its probably because he refused to keep it secret with the threat of a possible leak, resulting in the CIA taking measures to prevent it. The CIA Director succeeding him also seemed to know, going by Ocelot's phone call and his final moments. And going by the amount of satisfaction he had in arranging for her death, as evidenced by his revealing his part in the mission, its unlikely that it just involved the Legacy. Normally, people who plan black ops/spy missions don't usually have a lot of glee about their blunder costing an agent's life under fake defection backfire, but he did express that emotion, which indicates that he might have at least planned for Volgin to blow up Sokolov's research facility. There are also some holes in The Boss's story, anyways: One, Volgin had earlier wiped out several anti-communist factions as well as regularly tortured and killed several Polish POWs. This stuff, not to mention the fact that he is currently working to dethrone Khrushchev, would imply that he actually would be the type to launch a nuke at something to start an international incident and thus have an excuse to go to war against America. There's also the fact that there was already a plant in Volgin's group, Ocelot, meaning her retrieving the legacy would have ended up unnecessary, anyways. Weedle McHairybug 15:09, November 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's not really ambiguous. Gene said that the man who planned The Boss's death and the mission in Grozny Grad also planned for Volgin to launch the nuke, hence Coldman is the man that Gene mentioned. However, if you really don't think that Coldman is the deviously cunning strategist, you should revamp Coldman's page to remove any reference to that. You are an administrator after all. --98.221.192.218 16:01, November 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * The fact that Gene makes such a claim without any other corroborating evidence in the entire series makes it quite ambiguous indeed (he was trying to sway Big Boss to join his side after all). Coldman's article details this claim, but neither states that it is factually correct, nor disputes it (the Tselinoyarsk nuking only, not the general planning of the mission). I believe this to be an acceptable middle ground due to the confusing nature of the continually retconned storyline. --Bluerock 18:17, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * If I recall correctly, didn't Ocelot say something to the CIA Director before assassinating him about "taking back what [the DCI] stole from [Ocelot and presumably Major Zero]" and "carrying on the spirit of the True Patriot [The Boss]?" Sure, the DCI ultimately turned out not to be the one who planned for The Boss to die from the start, but that statement alone at the very least supports that her death was planned from the beginning, and thus acts as something other than Gene's word that suggests it happened. Otherwise, there doesn't seem to be any reason why Ocelot would say something like that. It certainly wasn't the Legacy he was talking about, seeing how he arranged for the DCI to get the legacy and was also implied to be fully aware of the DCI's plans to utilize the legacy to revive the Philosophers himself. Weedle McHairybug 09:46, November 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Don't forget that EVA told Snake that the CIA feared The Boss' charisma so they had her eliminated. Forcing Volgin to launch the nuke allowed the CIA to have The Boss killed. Coldmn is clearly the deviously cunning strategist. It makes sense to me but Bluerock is an administrator now. I have to accept what he wants. --98.221.192.218 13:18, November 14, 2011 (UTC)


 * This isn't really about Coldman; as Director he would have had a hand in the events of the Virtuous Mission (The Boss's false defection to obtain the Legacy). Volgin wasn't forced to launch a nuke, though Gene claims that he was manipulated into doing so. These claims are never confirmed, making the whole "intended nuking" incident questionable.
 * As for the CIA wanting to kill the Boss from the beginning, Peace Walker tells us that they already had an intense dislike for her, backing up Big Mama's "charisma" story in MGS4. Following the Virtuous Mission, they took the opportunity to get rid of her, while still achieving their main objective of recovering the Legacy. Gene's story adds an extra layer of mystery to the ordeal, that remains unexplored as of now. The Wiki should reflect this rather than make its own conclusion.
 * Anyway, I do empathize with the fans who don't like unanswered questions, but that's more of an issue with the source material, rather than this site. --Bluerock 13:45, November 14, 2011 (UTC)