Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-5085906-20130627191357/@comment-6747658-20150514180121

Ok, I've been typing this up as I went along throgh the video, I have gotten the first 40 minutes covered and I haven't needed to call a shrink yet. That being said, that's enough for now, it's madness I tell you and the stupidity makes me facepalm so hard.

In any case, here's what I have gotten so far:

Welp...4 minute intro focusing on there being more then one intruder, I can already tell that this one is going to be a doozy and drag on a lot, no doubt they fluffed it up with pointless scenes just so they could hit that near 2 hour mark, joy.

9 minutes in and he finally starts with the theory, no wonder this video is so damn long, there is just so much fluff that could have easily be shortened and make it easier to watch.

15 minutes in, the imply is clear that he's still hammering on GZ and TPP being VR training simulations, though that is pretty quickly debunked due to the fact that VR training wasn't a thing in 1984, let alone in 1975, and if BB is GF, that doesn't make sense either because GF is back in Africa fighting in the Rhodessian war as well as killing Naomi's parents and taking in Naomi during that time period.

Kojima talks about there being two different Snakes in most MGS games, this isn't true. MGS3, MGS4, Portable Ops and Peace Walker had no different Snake, nor did MG1 or MG2. MGS had Liquid Snake, MGS2 had Raiden be Snake for a short moment, and there was Solidus Snake. Aside from that, I seriously do not recall there being any other Snakes in the other games. Kojima can say a lot, but lacking the time of when this interview was taken, takes away a lot of context and turns it more into, Kojima just says stuff, considering there's no other Snakes in the previous mentioned games, this point becomes obselete.

And we have hit the fanwankery. While it is true that BB could have been framed, the scene with EVA clearly implies the rift between BB and Zero being when BB sets up his 'first' army which leads to the events of MG1, this is implied due to the backscene drop of the Metal Gear of MG1 and Big Boss with his army standing before it. By no means does this imply that someone else has been posing as BB, not to mention that EVA would have most likely revealed such to Solid were such the case, because that would be an effing big thing.

So next he goes into anoher fluffed bit on how Ocelot acted as if he was surprised by the Ninja despite having arranged for that appearance behind the scenes then goes on how Ocelot could be acting again to this new protagonist and that perhaps this was the project mentioned in Portable Ops. Sure, Ocelot could be acting on his own, playing that tripple spy role, but nothing suggest that BB isn't someone else, that's just pure assumption. As for that project mentioned at the end of Portable Ops? That was the setting up of the Patriots, it's known that Ocelot was working for Zero and Zero wanted to make the Patriots and invited Ocelot to join them (whom's terms for joining was that BB was invited as well). Any MGS fan would know that this project was referring to the Patriots.

He follows up on how Kaz and Ocelot both had worked for Zero and how that explains their presence alongside "Venom Snake" forming Diamond Dogs and that they are both acting. Which I call bullshit on because we already know Kaz is out for revenge against Cypher because he believes that it was them that attacked MSF and blew up their base. And I also doubt he'd be working along with Cypher when it cost him a fricking arm and a foot, cause that's a pretty high demand for 'acting' then. While we do not exactly know why Ocelot is there, we know that Ocelot is a big fan and devotee of BB, no doubt strengthened due to their time together within the Patriots, while it is true that he may have his own ulterior motives, we also know that he wouldn't screw over BB, let alone help creating a fake one. MGS4 showed that Ocelot was working against the Patriots since MGS1, it can be easily assumed he opposed them before that time as well, which shows how much devoted he is to BB.

The next 10+ minutes are spend on using cutscenes and talks on how Snake and Otacon were framed and how BB in MGS4 says how everything repeats themselves. While it is fully possible that BB is being framed in the events of TPP, this again does not give any hint that the BB we play in GZ and TPP is not the real BB and it really doesn't help their 'theory' that much either. Also this could have all be explained in less then 10 minutes rather then using cutscene upon cutscene. Really, I am about 40 minutes in and they're currently talking about how BB smokes cigars and dislikes imitations and most of the time was fluffed up, they could have shortened this video significantly and still relay the same information. It's stupid.

And yes, we know that BB didn't like imitations, but what Python is forgetting is that the Phantom Cigar is purely an in-game option to pass time, we already see BB in one cutscene, on a motorbike, wearing the DD insignia, smoking a real cigar which debunks this entire thing. Of course they'll try to push it off as "That's the real BB!" but then we point to the DD insignia, cause if that is the "Real BB" why would he be wearing the DD insignia then? Because there is no fake BB, that's why.