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Weedle McHairybug wrote:

Misterbunnsy wrote: So I just finished the game. Can finally rejoin the Wiki world without fear of spoilers. Although I am bummed that I have to admit that PythonSelkan predicted one thing right in the end, regardless I think the ending was a goddamn good twist and actually fits everything into place in the end.

It was strange that Big Boss returned in MG2 after Solid Snake kills him. It also seemed odd that he could be operating a military nation while simultaneously giving orders to S. Snake. Makes sense that there was a second Big Boss who died in his stead. What I'm wondering is which Snake Big Boss wanted to die that day - Solid or Venom. Either way, having Venom be a body double was way better than having Venom be another clone. Somehow, I think the story needed a fourth Snake and Kojima filled that role well.

As for fighting Zero. I don't think that Ocelot or EVA really were fighting him in the end. They never imply that they're after Zero, just the Patriots. And the ultimate goal was to shut down the AIs, which they do. Big Boss in the final scenes before he kills Zero, he expresses his regret and states that he doesn't even hate him. What he does in the end is put him out of his misery, to finally end it all. Really, it's symbolic in the end. All the other Patriots are dead by the end except the two originals - Boss and Zero. Yeah, actually, they were fighting him. They specifically were trying to kill him for his sealing away Big Boss, and they had also mentioned that he fled and went into hiding because of the deaths of Donald Anderson and Dr. Clark. They even made it seem as though Zero actually GAVE the order to put Big Boss to sleep when he had absolutely no involvement in it whatsoever. Just look at EVA and even Ocelot's speech, heck, even Big Boss's speech as well. Tying things together? It made things even more broken than before, and ruined Solid Snake's reconciliation and reunion with them.

Probably the only thing it actually fixed was how Big Boss could have arrived at Outer Heaven despite giving commands far away and head over to Outer Heaven without even being spotted leaving the base. We'll probably have to agree to disagree. Someone else on another site explained the original game pretty well. The plot was simple: Big Boss in MG1 needed to buy time to complete Metal Gear. That is why his actions seemed confusing and misleading. BB had to act his role in FOXHOUND, by sending Solid Snake to investigate, but also keeping Solid from destroying Metal Gear and ruining BB's Outer Heaven plans.

We didn't need to know how BB survived the explosion, because he and his clones have demonstrated almost superhuman levels of endurance. BB endured a lot of punishment in MGS3, and managed to cling to life in MG2 despite being burned to a crisp. Liquid survived several major falls and the explosion of the Hind D. After succumbing to FOXDIE, he then returned in spirit during MGS2, until MGS4 did away with his arm. Solidus continued to live after having his spine severed and falling a great height from Federal Hall onto concrete, and losing most of his body parts to reconstruct Big Boss. Solid escaped I don't know how many brushes with death. BB really didn't need a body double to die in his place.

Adding another clone would've been silly, but no more silly than the idea an MSF recruit getting facial surgery and hypnotherapy to pretend he's a Snake.

The best twist to me would've been Kojima making the story straightforward. To be able to play the game as Big Boss and see how he became the man in MG2. Phantom Pain's ending does not explain that. Remaking MG1 where you play as or face off against Venom wouldn't account for BB's change in personality, starting wars and raising child soldiers.