Board Thread:Metal Gear Solid V/@comment-98.234.99.168-20150703054955/@comment-64.33.250.214-20150719034622

Kornflakes89 wrote:

So your post opens up asking me to stop acting like I know everything and you don't and that I'm the only one that doesn't lack comprehension skills, yet you close your post with something that justifies my attitude towards you and others? Nice job there.

What's this "IF he actually had the recessive genes." crap? He did have the recessive genes, there's not a damn thing that says otherwise.

Yeah...fans like him because they can sympathize with him being lied to...about him being the inferior clone.

Liquid was told the truth about him having the recessive genes and Solid having the dominant genes, the only lie that was told to him was that he was the inferior clone. And like I've already pointed out, several times, and will continue to point out until it gets hammered through your skull and understood, is that Dominant=/=Superior and Recessive=/=Inferior, something you very clearly have a hard time understanding.

Or to put it even more simpler so you can hopefully understand. Liquid being told he had the recessive genes=Not a lie. Liquid being told he was the inferior clone because he has the recessive genes=Lie.

Oh joy, more going on about the MGS1 briefing being "evidence" that Snake was blond in MGS1 when it doesn't show the real colors of anything, more going on about concept ideas that were shelved being evidence of this, more crap about Shinkawa's statement. How many times do I have to point out the fact that concept ideas and statements referring to those concept ideas mean nothing? And that the MGS1 briefing is not anything that even remotely resembles credible evidence before it actually sinks in? If the briefing shows his skin is red, yet in the game it's very clearly not, then why in the hell does the briefing showing his hair being light colored mean his hair is really that color if his skin is obviously not the same color as it's shown in the briefing?

If all you've got for "Evidence" of this is a briefing file that doesn't show the real colors of anything, concept art and statements referring to concept ideas that were shelved, you might as well stop carrying on about this because you have no credible evidence that his hair was any color other than brown, either that or you don't know what credible evidence actually is.

More BS arguments? How the hell would Meryl have mistaken Solid for Liquid if she didn't know what Liquid looked like? That's usually (as in always) how mistaking one person for another works, you have to actually know what they look like in order to think another person looks like them. And since when do top secret military bases keep hair dye in their supply closet?

And what's this canon voice crap? Since when do any of them have a canon voice? I'll answer that for you. Never. There's no such thing as a canon voice, they're voiced by whoever gets cast in the role. Hell they could have made each game with an entirely different voice cast each time if they wanted to. This whole "Canon voice." and "Voice actor consistency." thing people like to go on about is nothing but a myth.

There is no was canon, there is no could have been canon, it simply wasn't. If his hair has been shown to be brown right from day one up until MGS4 when it turns white from his advanced aging, then his natural hair color is brown and that's the end of it. It's funny you say you have a problem taking other people seriously, when your user icon is The Punisher and your name is "Kornflake". Did Frank Castle have a thing for cereal in the comics?

What Liquid said is open to interpretation, due to Ocelot's comments. Ocelot told Solidus that Liquid was the "inferior one". Which could mean several things, but in the context of the actual dialogue, Ocelot referred to Solidus as the "third one". So by saying "one" Ocelot obviously means "clone". Heavily implying that Liquid is the "inferior clone". Not inferior soldier, or inferior person, but clone. A clone is a genetic creation, implying Liquid is a genetically inferior creation.

Going by science and not conjecture, green eyes are a DOMINANT genetic trait. Unless Kojima changes it, Liquid has green eyes (ero dominant genes). It is written right there on his Wikia page. Granted, the cloning jargon was never 100% faithful to science, but the eye color difference is one thing the games got accurate.

Liquid is sympathetic because many fans believe he was lied to and manipulated by being told he had recessive genes. To say he really did have recessive genes takes away the tragedy of the character's story. The idea he had great potential but never knew it. It also ruins the underdog story of Solid, and the David vs. Goliath theme of a weak (recessive gened) hero rising against all odds.

Maybe I'm having a hard time understanding your explanation of "Recessive=/=Inferior", because it seems contradictive. How do they not mean the same thing? Why create soldiers using dominant genes if the intention wasn't to make them superior? I thought that was the point of the Genome Army. If dominant genes didn't make them superior, then Liquid could have just hired regular soldiers. There are way too many holes to this explanation for it to make sense within the game's context.

Evidence and proof have different meanings. I stated that the briefing and the concept art for MGS2 were evidence, NOT proof. You continue ignoring what Colonel Campbell said, even though you made a big deal about Ocelot saying inferior, and refuse to believe what Campbell said is evidence of anything. He said Solid is an exact duplicate except for skin tone. Not "except for hair", but only skin tone. What's in the game is, or at least WAS, canon.

The lighting effects being red in the briefing doesn't account for the shadow effects, and why Solid's hair appears lighter than his skin. Even if it's not proof, it's worth noting. Other lighting effects such as "night vision" don't turn everyone's hair blonde. The way Solid was shown next to an image of his "exact duplicate" in the original briefing also shows Liquid in a similar grainy, reddish tint. So the effect alone doesn't proof or discredit anything.

This is the image from the briefing with Solid next to Liquid: http://i.ytimg.com/vi/vf3nAMa_eMM/hqdefault.jpg

Again, evidence = not proof. You're accusing me of claiming proof, which I'm not.

Meryl could have mistaken Solid for Liquid by his swagger. If some dude dressed in fancy sneaking gear followed was on your tail, you might assume he was shady. However, I agree with you on this, that she most likely already knew what Liquid looked like. Mistaking Solid for Liquid doesn't make her stupid. How was she supposed to know that the two were clones on the same base? I think if a military base can have ketchup and not just rations, it can have shampoo and hair dye. Liquid was always a bit foppish, he'd be the type to use extensive hair care products.

When a character and his clone have had the same voice for every game (except MGS4), it kind of is canon. Albeit inconsequential, like changing the character's hair or eye color.

There are a number of details we know for a fact were canon once, that eventually got changed. For example: Ocelot being possessed by Liquid's arm and having his voice in MGS2. MGS3 implied Ocelot could have inherited The Sorrow's spirit medium abilities. Until MGS4 did away with the arm and went with hypnotherapy. All that contradicts these absolute truths you believe the franchise adheres to. Today Solid may be brown, but in two months he could be blonde.