Board Thread:Metal Gear Solid V/@comment-86.45.17.40-20150909104026/@comment-1672596-20150917210504

Fantomas wrote: Well, Metal Gear 2 has been retconned to oblivion extensively at this point (even Metal Gear Solid 1 retcons stuff about it), so getting mad at MGSV for piling more stuff on is just silly.

And wasn't it only one trailer that made the Big Boss fall stuff apparent... wasn't it the one Kojima didn't direct? There's no point essentially getting mad at PR buzz.

The Star Wars stuff. Yeah, that's... no, dude. I love Star Wars, but no.

It's awesome that your idea of "the truth" in a series full of spies, double agents, twists, counter-twists and the occasional tripe-agents, is that everything every character says is "literally the truth" .. well, that's your fucking fault. It's highly possible that Big Boss thought he was telling the truth, maybe there was more to the events post MGSV and pre MGS1 than we know, maybe Kojima intended to remake MG1&2 next in line, but the circumstances at Konami prevented it and he had to botch together the "Truth" tapes... we'll never know.

But from where I'm sitting all that stuff is fine. MGSV does have some problems in the story department... but the Truth stuff ain't it. I recognize that, and quite frankly, I hated that Kojima constantly destroys his own timeline with the infamous amounts of retcons he does for the series (personally, I hated the fact that Hideo Kojima had to turn Solid Snake into a psychopath in MGS1 where both his enemies and even his friends call him out as basically being a blood-thirsty mass-murderer.). He may claim that retconning his own story somehow makes him a better writer, but I personally think it just shows he really doesn't know how to write. Either way, it still doesn't change the fact that because of this change, the ending for MGS4, not to mention the little reunion Snake had with Big Mama, was utterly ruined thanks to that twist and ending. We initially had a nice little touching reunion between mother and son, which was saddened by the fact that she got killed by FOXDIE, and we also had a touching reconciliation between Big Boss and Solid Snake that actually would have been very poignant. But no, Kojima had to ruin that by basically implying in the Truth tapes that she lied to him to his face even more than before, as did Big Boss (and quite frankly, they had absolutely NO reason to lie to him during that time). It wasn't enough to even let Solid Snake have even the slightest amount of some reconciliation, he just HAD to make them liars via retcon.

And it wasn't just one trailer. A few interviews with Kojima and the other members of the staff made during development stated that we would see Big Boss's fall. A fall which, BTW, never happened.

My idea of "the truth" is what most people would consider "the truth", which is it being exactly what was stated, in the most literal means available. I realize that the series doesn't even begin to have truth since many characters just lie and backstab each other, but on the other hand, when they lie to their own son and take the lie to their graves, and leave Solid Snake with the delusion that he actually was a tool no more, I'm sorry, but that's just going too far. Not to mention they literally had no reason to actually lie to him about that, yet they did.

And considering Kojima and Konami pretty much nixed an attempt at a Metal Gear remake, I doubt that's what he intended. And yes, the Truth stuff does have a LOT of problems in the story department. You want a good fall into villainy, try Magneto's descent into villainy in X-Men First Class. Or how about Caesar's fall in Rise of the Planet of the Apes.

Besides, it also renders the entire idea behind Les Enfants Terribles and the S3 Plan completely pointless. If they could just doll up a random person and implant them with memories, there wouldn't even be a need for the S3 Plan or Les Enfants Terribles at all to replicate Big Boss.