Board Thread:Metal Gear Solid V/@comment-86.45.17.40-20150909104026/@comment-6512-20150917202507

Weedle McHairybug wrote: What I meant by that is that he was a tool even AFTER Big Boss told him he no longer was, since he was basically lying to his face about what had transpired in the past regarding their war (and considering the Truth cassette tape the player can listen to is implied to be the same tape the real Big Boss gave Venom Snake in the Truth ending, yes, it does mean Big Boss lied to Snake that time). In other words, he DIED a tool and to make it worse, he doesn't even realize he was played as a tool afterwards.

The trailers, both from Kojima and from Konami, specifically stated that we would see Big Boss's descent into villainy. It was even a huge marketing point for the game. Instead, we never see Big Boss descend at all, with Venom taking his place, and we really don't see much of a fall in Venom Snake's case either.

What specifically makes you think Big Boss was lying to him? All that stuff that Big Boss says at the end of MGS4 is still true. He and Zero were absolutely at odds. Maybe Boss wasn't fighting Zero directly, but he was still rising up against the Patriots (Zero's will - in the same way they refer to the Mamal Pod from Peace Walker as The Boss' will).

And sure, the advertising campaign may have implied we would see Big Boss' descent, but in reality we already had: at the end of MGS3. In MGSV, what we see instead of Big Boss' descent into villainy is the full realization of the depth of his villainy: he uses Venom Snake in the exact same way the American government used The Boss. He became that which he hated. This may not have been explicitly stated to us, but it's pretty clear that was Kojima's intent.