Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-1504072-20130423225415/@comment-1672596-20130425113350

Soul reaper wrote:

Weedle McHairybug wrote:

Soul reaper wrote:

Bluerock wrote: It's still annoying how MPO was originally marketed as a "missing link" in the "tragedy of Big Boss," yet isn't part of the "legacy." Thought that would make it worth updating to HD, but oh well, guess not. Peace Walker may not have replaced MPO's events in the canon, but it sure replaced its role in the series. I wouldn't put so much into a product's marketing if I were you. They're hardly going to use the tagline "the irrelevant side story to an otherwise interesting saga". Whenever something is new it's treated as if it is of the highest importance. I would like to hear Kojima's thoughts on the game. Not so much it's stance in canon, more his own feelings on it. There's a lot we can assume and based on what answer you're looking for, there's a lot of pieces of evidence, but I'd like a clear statement. If that was the case, why did he even bother placing those stills for MPO into MGS4, and even add it to the timeline in the first place? AFAIK, they haven't removed those MPO references from MGS4's trophy edition, so why didn't they bother placing MPO into the Legacy collection? Besides, Peace Walker was even less relevant than MPO (at least MPO actually hinted at Zero being the founder of the Patriots, something that was confirmed in MGS4. Probably the only thing Peace Walker actually did other than reveal who the cunning strategist was is hint at why Hal's father chose the pool as his method of suicide. Otherwise, it either ignored or downright contradicted several stuff from the rest of the series.). Because at the time they may have had more interest in PO. MGS4 was well into development when PO was released, it's possible they changed their minds about it some time later. As for why they didn't remove PO from later versions of 4, why would they? Why create extra work? The only people who are going to get hung up on these things are people like us. Likewise, the Legacy collection is a PS3 collection. Including PO would have required porting, which would create more work, take more time and cost more money. And honestly, I would say Peace Walker is far more important than PO. PO made it seem like everything Big Boss did later in life was just copying Gene, Peace Walker on the other hand set up his transformation, the creation of Outer Heaven, explored more of his relationship with the Boss (essentially expanding on MG's foundations) and many more other things. If porting was the problem, they never would have been able to place Peace Walker into the PS3 or Xbox360 in the first place (don't forget, until the first Collection was released, PW was indeed only meant for the PSP, just like MPO). And if they could remove Metal Gear Online from MGS4 and any of its unlockable equipment from it, they can most certainly redo some cutscenes. And other than possibly the Che Guevara mentions and Miller being involved in its creation in the the first place, I'm not sure how Peace Walker actually expanded on those things, seeing how MGS4 had already done that anyways with EVA's history lecture to Snake. Heck, PW actually contradicted MGS4 in some ways (for example, they had Big Boss being completely unfamiliar with the Patriots in PW, despite being one of their founders [and no, the name change is not an excuse, as Paz explicitly mentioned Cipher's backstory, which Big Boss should have been aware of and instantly recognized].), and heck, thanks to PW's ending, its extremely unlikely for BB to ever regain control of FOXHOUND, even covertly. GZ/TPP might expand on this, but even then, I'm still not so sure about that. MPO was certainly the missing link towards the contradiction between MGS3 and MGS4 on how the Patriots were founded, at least (people were surprised and confused that Zero founded the Patriots, since it wasn't hinted at all to them. At least MPO actually had a brief hint as to who founded it [Gene mentioned that Ocelot's employer was "the man with the same codename as Null", Null is German for Zero, hence, the hint.].). And another thing, MPO did not actually hint that Big Boss copied Gene's goal. Heck, he explicitly expressed disgust with Gene's methods. If anything, Big Boss's philosophy of Outer Heaven was created as a response AGAINST Gene's methods, and it was made clear that it actually stemmed from The Boss's final will.