Talk:Kazuhira Miller

Master Miller Image
The KazMiller image from 1974 is the best profile image in my belief the other was looks weird and some could say it looks like Raiden in a gay meaning. Kennedy 3421 11:50, August 9, 2010 (UTC)Kennedy 3421


 * What image are you talking about? And why would you thinking it looks "gay" be a valid reason for anything? --Bluerock 20:13, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mgspw-kazuhira-miller.jpg
 * What I meant in this image he looks like a woman like with Raiden it, the Image from the MGS1 manual or the Other Kaz image from Peace Walker were more clearer than this one. Kennedy 3421 00:05, August 11, 2010 (UTC)Kennedy 3421
 * I agree that the image from MGS1 is a more recognizable one to have in his profile, but really? That's your reason? Good Lord, HA HA HA! --Bluerock 07:09, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well the concept image from Peace Walker it is not horrible its just it looks kinda strange. Kennedy 3421 08:53, August 12, 2010 (UTC)Kennedy 3421
 * Well the concept image from Peace Walker it is not horrible its just it looks kinda strange. Kennedy 3421 08:53, August 12, 2010 (UTC)Kennedy 3421

Miller's Death
Where did the details of Miller's death come from? His death wasn't explained in MGS so where was it? Andre666 12:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * MGS novel. -- Ocelot youth 13:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * So Miller was killed by nerve gas...THE most effective way of killing somebody...interesting...in a...tragic sorta way. Here, all along I thought someone simply capped him, or if it WAS Liquid, he got the drop on him in a stranglehold and snapped his kneck.
 * Thanks OY, I was just wondering if someone had made it up, you know what some people are like! Interesting indeed. Andre666 08:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Say, should anyone try and add in the fact that Master Miller may be appearing in Peace Walker due to new information?, you know, like here: http://www.metalgearsolid.org/Metal-Gear-Solid-Peace-Walker/48483-TGS-trailer-details-+-Master-Miller.html#48483
 * No evidence that it's actually him yet, so no. We'll wait until we actually know for sure. --Fantomas 21:46, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Miller's bisexual, huh?
I just saw that you can go on a date with Miller. Hell, you can get him in the Love Box! http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=UwVPfF8Ir1g
 * A lot of Metal Gear character's are bisexual! --Fantomas 08:48, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * The date is non-canon. Just like Paz's date.--70.127.203.117 12:20, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree, it's not really canon, as it's not suggested anywhere else, doesn't really have any impact on the game other than the fact that you can get the Patriot design specs from Miller (Normally the design specs would indicate that it has some canonicity, but MGS4 implied that the Patriot-like weapon Big Boss used in Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land was indeed the same one The Boss used, so that one is an exception. Besides, why would Kaz hold onto specs for the Patriot, and NOT have R&D develop it unless Big Boss manages to remove it from him? Same goes for Paz.), unlock his uniform for use (Which, again, he would use that uniform if he has to use the mission anyways, rendering the entire point moot), and that it is obviously one of the missions required to unlock the Phone Tape (and that's only due to the fact that you need to complete all Extra Ops/Main Ops missions to even unlock it). I may not have wanted the MH Missions to be canon, but the fact that they were heavily referenced in Briefing Tapes and even included a graphic novel cutscene indicates that it is indeed canon. The Vehicle capturing missions or at the very least the Hind D missions are implied to be canon due to the fact that Hind Ds appeared in the chapter 5 ending. However, the Paz and Kaz missions have no chance at being canon since they aren't referred to at all, and thus not canon. Weedle McHairybug 12:31, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL, the Monster Hunter missions are obviously not canon. Just because they have a graphic novel cutscene and a bunch of briefing files doesn't mean it's canon. It's just as similar as Campbell telling Snake to press the action button to drop down, Psycho Mantis telling Snake to put the controller on the floor and Ocelot telling Snake to press the circle button to resist torture. As for Paz, she makes it clear in her diary that she has no interest in Big Boss.--70.127.203.117 21:45, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Snake Vs. Monkey is a better example. --Fantomas 21:48, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point. Although wouldn't it have been simpler to just place the Monster Hunter related missions in an entirely separate mode (meaning having absolutely no connection to the story file whatsoever, similar to Snake Vs. Monkey)? Weedle McHairybug 21:50, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * The date is canon because everybody is gay for Big Boss. --69.225.116.149 05:36, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * This coming from the guy who thinks that Miller didn't think that Big Boss was a sociopath.--70.127.204.180 12:41, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Your joke radar must be off. I suggest tuning it or, better yet, go outside. But whatever, I have no intentions of dragging out your pointless flame war so I'm just going to let you yell at the clouds. --69.225.116.149 03:53, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Kazuhira Miller name change
reading the article it seems that it has been assumed that Kazuhira Miller changed his name to McDonell Benedict Miller. Unless there is good info that these are the same character I think they should be separated. Otherwise we're just making stuff up. --Drawde83 04:57, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Better to remove the assumption then, since we don't know the origin (in-universe) of the name "MacDonell Benedict," though this is his name given in the older games. He was the same character, as Peace Walker's timeline lists his death in 2005 (MGS). I agree that we should rename the article "Kazuhira Miller," seeing as this is his birth name and father's surname. --Bluerock 06:19, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you tell me where it lists his death? where is it said that that is his birth name. The simplest explanation is that there are two seperate people who have the same surname and happened to die in the same year and when you think about it that scenario isn't that unlikely. If we renamed this we would have to go through all the MGS related articles and change the links. I'm sorry but there is not enough evidence to support that and I'm not going to correct everyone who changes it back to the name that is used in the game. --Drawde83 10:02, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * After you fight and defeat Paz/ZEKE and watch the cutscene that follows, there should be a timeline that occurs. The part about his being killed by an unknown assailant in 2005 is right at the end of that timeline. Weedle McHairybug 11:43, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * His mother named him Kazuhira at birth. Why he later adopted the English first name of "MacDonell" hasn't been revealed; maybe it's been retconned away, but there's no evidence of that yet. And changing the links isn't that big a deal, since a redirect will be set up for "Master Miller" and any old links that we see as we continue with our editing can be changed as we go along. --Bluerock 11:59, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, if they retconned it away, they'd need to remake Metal Gear Solid again in order to incorporate the change. Weedle McHairybug 14:06, September 13, 2010 (UTC)