Board Thread:Metal Gear Solid V/@comment-93.42.16.80-20151001205732/@comment-1672596-20151007124623

93.40.14.50 wrote: Bluerock wrote: Geez, what a depressing read. It doesn't matter that Venom Snake's not the original Big Boss. The struggles, hardships, battles, victories and losses in Phantom Pain all belong to Venom Snake and Diamond Dogs. Placing MSF on such a high pedestal, when they're practically the same organization in terms of motives and ideology, seems like a really nonsensical position to take. Maybe the twist wasn't entirely necessary, but it barely affects plot of the series at all. SPOILER: Big Boss has been a manipulative warmonger since 1990's MG2! This comes off as one of those foolish "Big Boss is the REAL hero of the story" arguments, that some sections of the fanbase have promoted since MGS3. Do you or anybody else give a damn shit about the struggles, hardships, battles, victories and losses of... let's say Rogue Coyote? Without John DD are just another PF like Mosquito's one. Who the fuck cares about Mosquito goals and ideals? DD is not the same organization as MSF, since MSF was real. The had a real Outer Heaven ideology, they weren't tools nor decoys. I mean the Diamond Dogs think they are free, they Outer Heaven, they cool, when actually they are fucking tools. NO OUTER HEAVEN 4U GUYS. So hell no MSF=/=DD.

I'm not saying Big Boss is the REAL hero. I know he is supposed to become a villain, I'm just complaining about the fact he didn't become an awesome, charismatic villain... he become a pussy lame-ass villain. Yeah, agreed. Not to mention Big Boss in his actions not just in the prequel games, but even in MG2 did NOT come across as being an in-the-shadows villain who treats his own forces like expendable pawns in a callous manner. If anything, as early as MG2, he actually went as far as to save the Outer Heaven Resistance, most likely risking his life not only from the NATO bombings but also facing the guns of the Resistance members (remember, they were Outer Heaven's enemy), which is the exact opposite of such a villain.

Now, if in the earlier (ie, MSX2) games Big Boss was depicted in a similar manner to, say, Albert Wesker from the Resident Evil series (ie, how he nearly left Ada Wong to die at Raccoon City [the only reason he permitted her to escape was because she had a sample of the G-Virus], backstabbed STARS and Umbrella in a manner that would make even Ocelot blush, and also turned the closest thing he ever had to an actual girlfriend into worms, among others), then this method of a fall actually would have worked. But that's not what happened in the MSX2 games at all.

Besides, if that marks Big Boss as a bad guy, then I guess Metal Gear Solid 2 is the moment Solid Snake turned into an actual complete monster villain, considering that was the exact same scenario (heck, he even sold Raiden out and used him just to get onboard Arsenal Gear, without even telling him beforehand, not to mention he didn't even bother stopping the S3 Plan despite it being well within his power to do so and if anything even ensured it came to pass).