Thread:Doulomb/@comment-34388024-20180118210136/@comment-1672596-20180118234041

KROWE90 wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote:

KROWE90 wrote:

Weedle McHairybug wrote:

KROWE90 wrote:

Weedle McHairybug wrote:

KROWE90 wrote:

Weedle McHairybug wrote:

KROWE90 wrote:

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Weedle McHairybug wrote: Actually, KROWE90, Portable Ops IS canon, considering that MGS4 specifically included its events in the various flashback scenes and even an in-game timeline featured Portable Ops in there. If it truly weren't canon, it wouldn't be acknowledged at all, not even in the flashbacks. Think how Snake's Revenge is not acknowledged at all.

Now, that being said, Rising's canonicity IS debatable, and we don't even need Kojima's contradictory word to know that Survive ain't canon. Portable Ops WAS canon until Peace Walker came out. It isn't anymore. MGSV sealed the deal completely. And using flashbacks and Snake's Revenge as an excuse doesn't work. Snake infiltrating Galuade was mentioned in a MGS4 gun description. Yet, Ghost Babel is obviously not canon.

Also, the Database is obviously outdated so it's not reliable anymore. Again, Portable Ops WAS canon until Peace Walker came out. It isn't anymore. Get over it. Your life won't end just because your beloved game isn't canon. And stop joining conversations you weren't involved in.

Anyway, thanks for your time, Bluerock. I'm not concerned for whether my life will end, actually. I'm just stating that Portable Ops is canon. And believe me, he would have redone some scenes in MGS4 to specifically erase any trace of its existence if he wanted it non-canon, like George Lucas did with the original trilogy, and even order massive recalls of all old games. And just as an FYI, he never denounced it as non-canon despite twice having the opportunity to give a firm answer (and since he made it clear under no uncertain terms he hated the NES version of Metal Gear, he most certainly is capable of giving a very explicit "no" in regards to Portable Ops' canonicity). Heck, even the official site's timeline back when it was still up as late as 2013 had Portable Ops explicitly listed as a canonical entry event alongside the MSX2 games.

And there's a massive difference between the gun descriptions in MGS4 and actual flashbacks scenes that are directly tied to the story. Besides, by your logic, Solid Snake encountering Liquid Ocelot during MGS2 is no longer canon simply because Snake during the mission briefing for Act 1 had him acting all unfamiliar with Liquid Ocelot.

Yawn. Your incessant rambling continues to bore me as does your incessant obsession over a scene which didn't contradict MGS2. Get a life and go away. No, it actually did contradict. If it truly lined up with MGS2, Snake would not have said "I watched [Liquid] die...". Instead, he would have said "yeah, I remember him: He took over RAY during the Tanker Incident via Ocelot, and I lost track of him after the Big Shell Incident." That's how you keep continuity with MGS2.

And either way, my voting for Donald Trump has nothing to do with my edits on this wiki (heck, he wasn't even my first choice for the 2016 President, it was in fact Ben Carson). Either way, at least I actually use my username consistently instead of constantly adopting new ones on the fly.

You're a far-right disgusting bigoted nutjob who won't go away. You'd be perfect on Fox News, Brietbart, and Alex Jones. At least you didn't defend the child molester Roy Moore.

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But don't worry, Oprah won't be President. I pray a competent Democrat wins in 2020. And for the 100th time, Snake still hadn't gotten over "Liquid's" survival. Get over it and move on. As for my "fly" accounts, Bluerock can ban me whenever he wants. So I'm conservative. Big whoop. I'm also serious about my Catholicism, and the Catholic doctrine specifically denounces abortion. God himself denounced it as well (and he denounced homosexuality as well. It's not even up to me, it's up to Him). It's not "bigoted". What IS bigoted, however, is claiming that I'm a bigot simply because I'm conservative. And as far as my saying that he should make America great again, what sold me was him making Mike Pence his VP, and that guy has a good pro-life track record. And BTW, I may be conservative, but I don't hold allegiance to the Republican party. I may tend to vote for them, but I'm a registered independent. I'd even vote for a Democrat if they support the same policies I do relating to the right to life.

As far as a competent Democrat, I could suggest Randall Terry, as he's a registered Democrat and actually IS pro-Life, a rarity, and he's definitely competent as well.

As far as Snake not getting over it, the ending of MGS2 suggests that he DID get over it, considering he calmly states with certainty that Liquid's not going to go very far in his quest since the Patriots most likely supplied Ocelot with a dummy location to begin with. If he truly didn't get over it, he'd say the above, and say in an uncertain tone "assuming that Liquid is in fact possessing Ocelot, anyway" and even still show signs of being disturbed about him returning. I don't give a crap that you're conservative. My mother is conservative. Anyway, you are a bigot. So a lesbian is a commandant. Big whoop. So transgenders want rights. Big whoop.

And once again, what Snake says doesn't necessarily show what he thinks. In MG2, he said the nightmares went away but MGS shows they didn't and that he became. Anyway, believe what you want but for the love of God, shut the fuck up! If you didn't give a crap, why did you demonize me for even holding to conservative ideals? Also, I'm not a bigot. As a matter of fact, I've got black and Hispanic people as friends, and I've even got at least one gay acquaintance in my Autistic think tank that I wouldn't even DREAM of hurting despite disapproving of his life choices. There's a big difference between bigotry and thinking a transgender and/or a lesbian shouldn't hold high ranks in the military. A true bigot would want to go so far as to commit genocide against them. Want a true bigot? Try Margaret Sanger, who actually DID want blacks exterminated and any other people deemed "undesirable" (that's even why Planned Parenthood exists, as a means to commit genocide against black people.).

And as far as your point regarding Metal Gear 2, that's just another one of Hideo Kojima's retcons, since it was pretty clearly shown that he stopped having nightmares, and if anything the way the scene was framed indicated he was just being a jerk when he left (considering Campbell implied he's done this before in a bemused manner and his female accomplice seemed more angered at being stood up instead of, I don't know, concerned about his well being). Besides, there's literally nothing in MGS or The Twin Snakes even indicating he still had nightmares about Outer Heaven. Unless you've got actual documented proof that he did still have them like dialogue or anything like that, I suggest you not claim that. Heck, feel free to prove me wrong if you wish.

Snake mentions the trauma of killing Big Boss and he tells Raiden that he was an alcoholic shut-in. Plus he had a nightmare about Liquid and Meryl in MGS2 and a nightmare about Shadow Moses in MGS4, which wasn't even the first time it happened judging by his comment to Otacon. The latter two only proved he had nightmares about the Shadow Moses Incident, not about Outer Heaven or Zanzibar Land. And having trauma about killing Big Boss and being an alcoholic shut in doesn't necessarily entail having nightmares about Outer Heaven, or Zanzibar Land for that matter. The events of K2-L certainly traumatized Samus Aran enough to become a cold mercenary, for example, yet last I checked, she never had any nightmares about the event. Heck, Big Boss didn't seem to have any nightmares about his killing The Boss, and that guy obviously had a lot of trauma regarding that. Have you seriously forgotten the nightmare quick time events of Peace Walker involving The Boss?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8WXIT0H5Ig

Also, I don't give a crap about Samus Aran. It's irrelevant to Metal Gear. What is relevant is that Snake still suffered from PTSD at the end of MG2.

Previous Operations: Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake Snake once again saved the world. However, there was no smile on his face. Big Boss's last words kept ringing in Snake's head. "Whoever wins, our battle does not end. The loser is freed from the battlefield, but the winner must remain there. And the survivor must live his life as a warrior until he dies."

Anyway, I'm done with you because you clearly always want to have the last word and don't know when to stop talking. I wasn't sure whether to count that as a nightmare, though. Though yes, I'll concede your point there. But not to the bit about Snake still having nightmares about Outer Heaven. Even if we are to assume he did have nightmares, it was strictly of Zanzibar Land, NOT Outer Heaven. And quite frankly, there's nothing to suggest he still had nightmares. PTSD? Sure, but I've seen instances even in Metal Gear of people having PTSD without actually having nightmares.