Board Thread:Metal Gear Solid V/@comment-5085906-20140619165117/@comment-1672596-20140812224016

Bluerock wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote: Technically, Volgin's bisexual, but I see your point.

And I really doubt most of the female characters were lesbians (heck, Meryl was attracted to Solid Snake and even had something of a soft spot for Johnny Sasaki; The Boss loved The Sorrow and bore Ocelot from their union; Olga definitely had to love a man to... you know, become pregnant and Sunny's mom; Naomi slept with Otacon, and if supplementary materials are to be believed she was married at the time of the Shadow Moses Incident; Cecile Cosima Caminades obviously had a crush on Big Boss and aside from that was implied to have really got around with several of the soldiers and men thanks to being brought up with the garbage that was May 1968 in France; and even Strangelove was implied to potentially be bisexual thanks to the second ending). Er, you do realize the previous comment was regarding a hypothetical situation?

Also, that's quite a big assumption to make regarding Cecile as there were many issues involved in May 1968, not just "garbage" as you say; Snake commenting that she "seemed uninhibited" was obviously related to the previous discussions in the tapes, especially the one immediately prior, in which she was drunk from wine.

Anyway, I hope there are more female MSF characters in The Phantom Pain, if just for the sake of variety. It would go a lot towards showing Outer Heaven's lack of borders between the genders, and mark it out from the other contemporary military forces in the game, without being too "in your face." Yeah, it was, but I figured I might as well respond anyways.

As far as your comment about May 1968, I know about the many issues (namely, student protests, many of which instigated by various teachers like Foucault, Sartre, and the like for the sake of a socialist revolution [and trust me, they did, as that's exactly what was stated in various points on the web and even Paul Johnson's Intellectuals]; protesting Vietnam [something I never really understood since technically France isn't even involved in Vietnam by that point, not even as a supporting role, as it was between America, South Vietnam, and North Vietnam, among various other countries, so they really didn't have any real reason to protest about Vietnam in the first place outside of possibly solidarity with the Communists. At least with us Americans or with you guys, we did have to potentially worry about being drafted into the military for Vietnam as a motive. In fact, the only European countries involved in the Vietnam either directly or as supporting roles were West Germany, the UK, and Spain for the West, and the USSR, Bulgaria, and Czechoslovakia for the East, all of whom were supporting roles]; the De Gaulle administration, and Free Love and breaking away from old values), but a lot of the stuff, especially Free Love/Free Sex, was not exactly something that would either be appealing or, heck, even moral (at least from my religious background), and I don't like trying to replicate Mao's Cultural Revolution worldwide. And the main problem is that the way they talked about Cecile being "uninhibited" may have been referring to her sultry nature (and this isn't even supposition, as her official biography in TGS2009 explicitly referred to her as sultry), and her commenting that she was "no different than any other Parisian women" since that time and the overall description gave the really unnecessary implication that a large majority, if not all of the female populace in France... well, basically got around a lot so to speak. I mean, my Dad, Mom, heck, even my doctor grew up during the 1960s, Dad and my Doctor in particular even being teenagers during that time, yet they never even did any of the often reputed 1960s behavior such as free sex, drugs, anarchy, days of rage, hippie movement or any of that. The only thing any of them actually did that even remotely mirrored the 1960s is that my doctor tried to avoid the draft for Vietnam. My dad actually became a U.S. Marine, and only didn't go to Vietnam because it ended before he could even see battle. Not to mention even recent polls indicate that at best a vocal minority actually participated in the Hippie movements and other decadent behavior of the 1960s, meaning despite its hype it was never actually wide-spread by the populace and only gave the illusion that it was. Besides, lets be frank, May 1968 wasn't exactly the best thing that happened. Generation Identity, a recent young people's movement in France, even specifically cited with its manifesto how May 1968 ultimately ruined France, especially regarding its political leaders, and I know a few Catholic circles who didn't like the event at all.

And yeah, let's see more female Diamond Dogs members. Cecile's probably not Holly White's mom, since I realized that Holly White was probably old enough to have reported on the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. Then again, they may retcon her age and biography.