Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-4913740-20130628164607/@comment-42.98.57.120-20130722115005

According to this Wiki, "The Patriots were originally formed in 1970 as the reorganized version of the American Philosophers" The original source being the MPO end of creidts phone call between Ocelot and the then unknown individual Zero. So I kind of interpret that Zero and Ocelot (the triple agent) were working for the Philosophers prior to 1970 and ended them (the DCI and maybe some other individuals not named) in 1970 to form the Patriots. You can perhaps see it as an organization with the same function as the USA Philosopers but with a different name and people in charge.

The Wisemen Committee are the very original members of the Philosophers. Remember the Boss once said that the original member died in 1930s? That doesnt mean the organization came to a close, it only means that they were passed on to members who joined afterwards and they eventually fought together until the Nazi are defeated, and then splited into East and West and fought against each other.

So sticking the above paragraphs together, and without further info to say the contrary (yet), my perception is that Zero, Big Boss, Ocelot, EVA, SIGNIT and Dr. Clark are the founding members of the Patriots who ended the USA Philosophers. While in MGS4, EVA mentioned that Ocelot remained in USSR to keep them informed, which I'd say this implies the Russian Philosophers still exist somehow at least during the Cold War.

As for Paz, I'd say she is more like the triple agent EVA but the unfortunate version in that she worked for Zero but failed and got caught by XOF (but read on). Hence I said earlier that in MGSPW she is truely working for Zero and manipulating the KGB via Zadornov. But then I have no idea still - whether XOF is CIA or KGB, so perhaps someone with more solid proof can complete the puzzle.