Board Thread:Metal Gear Solid V/@comment-12.219.243.130-20150619171033/@comment-42.98.59.68-20150620065903

Fantomas wrote: The thing is, and here's the real kicker, all of this information could very well just not be true. It's kind of a weird thing I've noticed lately where people take things characters in fiction say at face-value without stopping to think if that character could really have all the facts. Of course, we have to essentially trust the characters words because they're essentially the voice of whoever the writer is, but let's dig a little deeper here.

Who told us the information about the failed batches before Solid, Liquid and Solidus? Well, Liquid himself did, didn't he? Did you ever stop to think how he knows this? Did you ever stop to think that one of the biggest pieces of information he gives us about LET (Solid and Liquid's stances as dominant and recessive clones) we know for a fact isn't true? Of course, we have no reason to believe Liquid is misinformed, because his is the only word we can take on it. So if Metal Gear Solid V presents is with new and different information, it's not a logical leap to assume Liquid was simply misinformed. Really Major Zero and possibly Big Boss might be the only ones who know the full scope of what Les Enfants Terribles resulted in. Ah ha, I finally find someone who shares the same point of view (haven't been at these discussions for many months).

I think the briefing and the start of Act 2 of MGS 4 just best represented what you are talking about -- back in "In the drarkness of Shadow Moses", which is the fiction-in-a-fiction in MGS2, written by Nastasha and acts as a "previous story" for the game, it implied that Snake was the one rescuing Naomi from the Patriots after the main events of MGS 1, but in Act 2 of MGS 4, Snake's character stated that it was actually Ocelot's doing but the Patriots credited Snake for it.

Another example is also found in MGS 2. Remember how we were all like Snake, saying "What the hell?" when Octacon said the Patriots all died 100+ years ago? Snake's character, also in Act 2 of MGS 4 just said the Patriots' identity they got back then were all "a load of crap" (something like that).

So in short -- there are characters who are purposely lying in the game (e.g. "Liquid" claiming that he chose Ocelot as his host when it was actually the opposite so that Ocelot can fool the Patriots) or characters simply were not aware of the truth at a particular point of time. This is also how Kojima keeps writing his stories years after years without too much flaws.

But back to the topic of Paz (and ASSUMING that indeed is her), I doubt it has anything to do with cloning. Think again, Paz was at least 20 to 30 yrs old in MGS PW in 1974, you can't grow an embryo to same age whenever you want them to right? Besides keeping an embryo in those times for decades? Even MGS have a tendency to push technology ahead for about a decade, it will still be too soon that people start keeping embryo in the 1950s or 60s for this purpose.

I still haven't seen enough to tell what's going on, but if I were to offer any theory -- I'd stick with the hallucination kind of thing, or perhaps, Big Boss came across another person being planted a bomb in the body and had a flashback of Paz and that's it. After all it's a trailer we are seeing and Kojima may mislead us in any direction possible just to stir up our interest (like Ishmael).