Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-67.1.246.12-20130810173702/@comment-1672596-20140615150602

42.98.41.188 wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote:

42.98.41.188 wrote:

0nighthawk0 wrote: 人間 stands for Ningen, typically used for human in Japanese...you'll hear that being said a lot in any Anime that has supernaturals or demons or whatever in it.

Ultimately it remains mostly the same, liquid (hu)man, it is so far the strongest proof that Eli is indeed none other then Liquid.

I used to be very much opposed to the idea that Eli is Liquid, but seeing more and more proof of it, I do have to accept it...however, I still don't agree with it and think Kojima's bonkers for introducing Liquid here when it was previously states that the man never met Big Boss, yay for retcons I'm just saying Kanji doesn't always mean the same thing as if it is interpreted as Chinese, but in many cases, it works closely enough -- and hence I said it is by far the strongest proof.

On the pt where Liquid never met Big Boss, are you referring to the scene where Liquid said "[he] was the one that father chose" before entering REX? Or you are talking about else where? It's more his saying in The Twin Snakes "He chose me, knowingly, to be the inferior one?!" that suggests that he never met him (in the original PSX version, Liquid did actually imply they've met by saying "Father always said I was inferior."). That's what I don't get - why would this particular line implied they never met? But before diving deeper, keep in mind that Kojima has not told the whole story about Liquid in MGS, and it is evident that Liquid was misinformed on AT LEAST one key fact (himself being the inferior clone). Big Boss could have let Liquid know the "facts" in person, via another person such as Ocelot or Kaz, or in an extreme case, Solidus -- who knew Liquid exists -- used Ocelot to provoke Liquid by leading him to believe whatever story he was told (cited by Prez. Johnson in MGS2).

"He's choosing me, knowingly, to be the inferior one!"

if I were to conclude something from this line, I think it simply implied that Liquid was TOLD of Big Boss' choosing. It does not say how Liquid was informed of this or whether it was even true nor does it imply or affirm that Liquid and Big Boss never / ever met in person.

But all things considered, Liquid should have known most facts correctly for a while in order to develop such hatred to a point that he wants revenge on both Solid and the Patriots (his hatred towards the Patriots was revealed in [In the Darkness of Shadow Moses]) at such a scale. I hope I have not missed out anything yet. The reason it implied they never met is because of what you said, the way he said it made it seem as though he was only told about Big Boss's involvement and not learning it from Big Boss himself, and even in the original game, it was implied that he may have only learned of Big Boss's possibly choosing him from either Ocelot or Solidus, possibly both. It also doesn't help that MGS4 doesn't even go so far as to even mention that Big Boss ever met his progeny until Solid Snake joined FOXHOUND in the 1990s, and heck, both the MGS4 novelization and the Official Missions Handbook even implied that Ocelot was the one who told Liquid Snake about Les Enfants Terribles after he joined FOXHOUND in 1999 and became unit leader.