Board Thread:Metal Gear Solid V/@comment-3365837-20150304213210/@comment-64.33.250.214-20150306072255

Actually, no, it's not "directed at the player." If it actually was that, Liquid would actually be reciting specific numbers that match up with how many people Snake killed, or at the very least using phraseology that implies the actual amount (ie, few, some, many, and most), rather than using one word every time regardless of how many the player actually killed (for a good example of a villain's claims actually being directed at the player, look at how Pyro Bison accused Snake in Ghost Babel. Not only did he accuse Snake of killing, he even went as far as to give a specific number that matched up with the player's kill count up to that point, it changing depending on how many people the player killed. Or hey, look at Colonel Volgin's comments before torturing Snake: Depending on how the player did things, Snake could be commented on having soft skin [for not having serious injuries for the most part], having a fair share of battles before commenting that he'll know what hell is like [moderate serious injuries] and being impressed by Snake's will to live [significant amount of serious injuries]). Did it occur to you that Pyro Bison was inspired by Liquid's speech? Liquid's accusations don't hold merit if not directed at players. The FOXOUND fatalities were scripted, and the player knows that Snake was forced into those situations. There was no indication that he enjoyed all the killing You'd only have to stop and think about Liquid's words if you played the game as lethally as possible. Furthermore, the game contains another villain (Psycho Mantis) who addresses the player directly.

Perhaps Kojima realized players had missed the sublety he wrote into Liquid's dialogue. So much so that he included a throwback to the speech in MGS4 in the form of a trophy. Players can obtain the "You enjoy all the killing, that's why." trophy by racking up a high kill count. This trophy also includes a flashback to Liquid's dialogue. Again, you only achieve this by killing many non-Boss enemies.

And BTW, the definition of nihilism is claiming that nothing really matters or there isn't any point to believing in anything, and that's EXACTLY what The Boss promoted (heck, she even said explicitly that there's no point in believing in anything so long as you have the mission, and having relationships is the greatest sin a soldier could make). Believing in the mission is believing in something. Therefore it can't be nihilism. A true nihilist should be opposed to the idea of having any kind of purpose or involvement, such as in military/politics. At the end of the day, Boss and company have a goal. Which is to prevent war, to liberate the world from control, and to allow free will.

The definition also carries out that there is no such thing as absolute reality as well, hence Snake's MGS2 final speech oozed with it. Like it or not, it actually DOES promote it. It fits the definition. Or do I really have to post those quotes proving it? You are speaking of relativism, which is the idea that it is impossible to prove truth.

Not what God teaches. He teaches that there is only one absolute truth, and there is nothing relative. There are many verses within the Bible which suggest that humans do not know truth. For instance, God cannot be proven by man. God may be able to prove himself, but that is something no man has anyone absolute proof of.

"For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face." 1 Corinthians 13:12

"If anyone supposes that he knows anything, he has not yet known as he ought to know." 1 Corinthians 8:2

"The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever." Deuteronomy 29:29

"Just as you do not know the path of the wind and how bones are formed in the womb of the pregnant woman, so you do not know the activity of God who makes all things." - Ecclesiastes 11:5

This thread has been greatly derailed from it's original topic of discussion. If you insist on continuing a philosophical debate, I suggest you so in another forum.

Kojima has just told us that Phantom Pain will be the last true Metal Gear game, what do you think about this?

My opinion is that MGSV probably wont be the end of the franchise. Kojima's phrasing left room open for speculation. The Snake storyline may draw to a close, but there's always the possibility of prequels or remakes. Metal Gear is one of Konami's biggest cash cows. It's not likely to forfeit millions in games sales just because the original director/staff want to retire.

In terms of profitability, Konami could make a fortune off of online CO-OP games loosely based in the Metal Gear universe. Imagine Metal Gear Online, but without Snake. There's also money to be made in APP games. VR Missions would sell well in that format.