User talk:Weedle McHairybug

Ahh, I see. I didn't mis-read, you had changed it. My mistake. --Fantomas 00:09, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to the Metal Gear Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Jungle Evil page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Fantomas (Talk) 16:56, November 4, 2009

Zanzibar Land Article
Probably a good idea, but it should be tidied up a bit and probably condensed, so that it doesn't look too long and messy. Maybe it would be better to give it a new article altogether? -- Bluerock 00:06, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Zanzibar Land Article
Don't worry, It's not too difficult, I can do it if need be. I actually just uploaded a new article on Metal Gear G and it doesn't look too bad. -- Bluerock 00:21, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Just wanted to stop by and say thanks for all your edits. Frequent users have come and gone over the past four years, and it can be a little daunting when it gets to the point where it's just me against the wave of silly little edits from unregistered users, users who only stop by every now and then and spammers. You and Bluerock have been a big help posting things I hadn't even thought about these past couple of days and I really appreciate it! --Fantomas 19:21, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

RE:
Caterers would be the personnel who supply food to the soldiers (so baking cakes ain't too far off). Perhaps the soldiers of the Metal Gears have very limited carrying capacity, being cooped up in those machines, so maybe that's why they need their own catering unit, compared with other troops? Of course, I'm just speculating.

Also, I put these in a section of their own, as being under development, since they only ever managed to produce the one Metal Gear D and zero Metal Gear Gs by the time of Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake.

-- Bluerock 23:24, November 9, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Metal Gear 1 original manual
Unfortunately, there isnt any more information on how exactly Snake gets into Outer Heaven. Pretty much all the images and info in the manual have already been uploaded, there's nowhere near as much info as there was for Metal Gear 2. There are a few outdated details, such as FOXHOUND being formed under the UN, and Big Boss being a former member of the SAS and GSG9, but these have been retconned in later games.

Anyway, here's a link to the website which has the manual available to download. Be aware though, its a very rough translation, i.e. Solid Snake is also known as Stiff Serpent, lol, so read at your own risk! -- Bluerock 11:18, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

whoops, here's the link
http://www.msxnet.org/gtinter/mg1remi/mg1reme.htm Look under the heading 'Manual', and the translated Japanese manual is there, as a zip file. -- Bluerock 11:22, November 10, 2009 (UTC)


 * Just so we're clear, it IS legal to read it, right? PS: I am allowed to respond to you via my own talk page, right? I'm asking because you seem to respond to my talk page if I mention or ask things to you. Weedle McHairybug 12:24, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

RE:
I don't see why it wouldn't be legal to read, seeing as the website posted it for anyone to have a look at. Also, concerning the talk pages, I must admit I'm not sure myself whether to post replys on the senders talk page, or on your own. I guess I'll have to look into it. -- Bluerock 12:42, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Also, this is the same site that hosts the translated Metal Gear 2 manual, in case you were wondering.

Re: Talk Pages
Just been reading up on Talk Pages, apparently either way of responding is ok. The preferred method is to post on the Talk Page of the person your replying to, as they are more likely to be notified about a new message on their page, whereas they would need to manually check for new messages on the other guys page. -- Bluerock 12:57, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

What the hell are you talking about?
Nothing in the trailer for Peace Walker suggests that Coldman was the deviously cunning strategist. You're the same idiot who believes that Jack Krauser survived his fight with Ada.


 * For the record, I'm not an idiot. As for the whole Jack Krauser surviving the fight with Ada thing, I never said that. What I said was that we shouldn't say that he has Las Plagas, nor should we actually say one way for another that he died or survived. I'd personally don't care one way or another. As for my statement about Coldman, he basically seemed to have a lack of respect for The Boss from his statement in the Trailer, from what I've heard of reviews on Gamefaqs. Plus, he at least RESEMBLED Major Zero (It was previously speculated that Zero was the deviously cunning strategist that Gene mentioned until the CIA director was revealed to be him in MGS4 due to the sihlouette resembling Zero more than the DIA.), and it was stated that he worked in the CIA. Honestly, please don't try and pick a fight. If you must disagree, at least do it without resorting to insults. Weedle McHairybug 22:22, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

RE: What is this? Also, response to your statement about the retcon of Big Boss serving the GSG 9 and SAS.
From what I understand, Gulf War babies are those that were born to veterans of the first Gulf War, that had a high case of birth deformities, when compared with those of non-veterans. This was attributed to exposure to depleted uranium from shells fired by the US in that war. It is possible that it also could have been caused by the anthrax injections given to soldiers before engagement.

In the fictional Metal Gear Solid universe, these injections were used to implant them with "soldier genes", but the experiments were a failure, as the babies had horrible deformities to the eyes, jaw and spine, due to something called Goldenhar syndrome. I recommend you read up some more on it, there are some news articles that can be found on the web.

It's possible Big Boss could have worked with SAS or GSG-9 forces, but this information was disregarded in the MSX2 manual for Metal Gear 2, where instead it is said that Big Boss worked in LRRP in Vietnam, SOG and the 'Wild Geese' (which I can only hazard a guess at being some reference to the 1978 British film of the same name, about a mercenary group in Africa). Since no other sources state his connections to SAS and GSG9, I would assume these have been retconned away, and are reflected in the Big Boss wiki article. I suppose it could be added as a trivia point though.

As for NEST in Revenge of the Fallen, from what I remember, they are supposed to be an international group, as I believe was said in Optimus's opening narration, though it's true that it seemed to be almost completely American, with one British guy put in there as well, lol.

Sorry for rambling on a bit. -- Bluerock 10:22, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

De-Oxagynized water
Well to me its water that make things sink very well, i dont know alot about it, but i'll give you a couple links

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=22267

RE: Permission to edit Liquid Snake's characteristics section?
I've actually been thinking of removing that section (much as I did on Solid Snake's page), because it's pretty pointless. Either way, I probably wouldn't mention it, because even Solid Snake shows a bizarre amount of inhuman agility in that game (such as jumping off a rocket, and throwing a grenade down the barrel of a tank). It's just part of The Twin Snakes overly ridiculous nature. --Fantomas 23:42, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Gray Fox
Hey Weedle,

You removed the info on his ears and nose being cut off, and you claimed Fox said that they 'would have' done so if Big Boss hadn't rescued him.

However, in MG2: Solid Snake, he actually says 'THEY'D cut off my ears and my nose...', as in they HAD done so. I can see this point could be confusing, seeing as all images of him, (pre-Metal Gear Solid also) show him with nose and ears, but he would have probably had reconstructive surgery for so horrific an injury. Apart from this point, the info doesn't seem to be contradicted anywhere else.

Of course, my case rests on the Subsistence translation of MG2, and you seemed pretty sure that Fox had said things differently. Was this according to a different translation?

Bluerock 19:48, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

FOXHOUND Gear
Hey Weedle, Regarding the equipment info for FOXHOUND, I don't think it would be that big a problem to add it to the FOXHOUND article. The reason I mentioned it for the Zanzibar Land article, is because I thought it should mainly be about the country itself, but it didn't end up looking too bad in the end. -- Bluerock 19:01, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

RE: FOXHOUND Gear
Also, I was wondering how you were going to talk about the Chameleon suit, if at all. I was thinking of explainig it as a possible prototype to the designs for Octocamo (there's even a camo index table provided). It's interesting to see Kojima's planning back in 1990, no? -- Bluerock 19:15, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

RE
Oh, I didn't realise you were the one who created the Zanzibar Fortress article. If you're wondering how I was so quick at editing it, it was because I was actually going to create the article myself and was in the middle of writing up an offline version ready to upload. But ya beat me to it, lol. Anyway, I don't mind rewriting up sections a little if I can make them sound a little better, compared with the rough translation over on msx.net. I'll probably take a look at the FOXHOUND Gear article if ya end up going through with it, if thats ok. __ Bluerock 19:55, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Question about the Occupations section.
Because sometimes they are not the same. But if you just list his affiliations all over again, it's a little pointless. For example, with Para-Medic, her affiliations are FOX, FOXHOUND, etc. but her Occupation should read "medic/doctor" or whatever. It doesn't, we haven't added it for some reason, but you get what I'm trying to say? --Fantomas 23:01, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Lynx
As far as I can tell, Lynx just seems to be the name given to that particular class of soldier (like Jonathan). -- Bluerock 02:02, December 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, now I think about it, it's probably the name of a particular unit within the Red Army (just as FOX is a unit of the CIA, and FOXHOUND of the US Army), seeing as the word is capitalized. -- Bluerock 02:05, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Hey, Fantomas.
I'm mainly opposed to the suggestion that just because the mission which is required to unlock Raikov is in the walkthrough is evidence that Raikov's appearance is canon. Especially considering that the point of a walkthrough is to list everything required to 100% a game, so also probably lists other such missions which aren't canon. You can add it back if you still feel it should be mentioned, but in my opinion a walkthrough (even an official one) is not an incredibly reliable source of information. --Fantomas 20:30, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

Python
The database made it clear that Snake was a member of FOX in 1961. http://natmal.net/mgsdb/?enc&id=80

I do recommend you get the Portable Ops strategy guide. Unlike the EVA, Paramedic and Sigint missions, the Raikov mission is actually mentioned, hence, Raikov surviving could be canon. It also recommends sparing Python. I wish the database would have made Raikov and Python's fate clear but it didn't.

RE: Hey, Fantomas:
No, I have no idea. I know very little about things of this nature. But remember: just because they mention something in Metal Gear, even if it is in relation to a real world event, does not mean it has to be based on something that really happened. I've noticed you do this before on Crying Wolf's page, where you tried to tie Wolf's background to real world events. I don't know if this is why you were asking (to and try and attach a name to Big Boss' and Python's mission in Vietnam, maybe?), but I just wanted to mention that. --Fantomas 12:49, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

RE: EVA
Hey Weedle,

This is one of those really confusing points in the storyline that isn't entirely understood, but I'll tell ya what I think of it all:

EVA is definitely aware of Big Boss's resurrection, since she had a hand in it, and knows that Ocelot (as himself) idolises him and wishes to destroy the Patriots. However, from what I understand of it, she is not a part of the insurrection in which he plans to become a Patriot himself and rule through military might, since this does not agree with her views on interpreting the Boss's will, as she disagreed with both Zero's and Big Boss's methods.

This is because she believes that he is now a different person (Liquid), though it is not made clear whether she believes it is through supernatural means or not. I doubt that she would have risked her life to prevent him from taking Solidus's body in Eastern Europe. If she was a part of Liquid's plan, she coulda just handed him over, I cannot believe that the whole chase sequence is all just a show.

I'll have to get back to ya on this, as I'm away from home until the weekend and I can't remember all the dialogue from the cutscenes, but this is all I can think of right now. -- Bluerock 19:38, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Exactly Bluerock. You could even tell that Eva was emotionally distraught. She really believed that Liquid took over Ocelot. For example, she gave him an apple and called him Adam but he simply crushed the apple and EVA shook her head in sadness. And besides, I doubt she would sacrifice all of her "children" to put on a show. --72.186.96.252 20:18, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok, but the way the article worded her part on the insurrection (IE, "her planning with Ocelot for "liquid's" insurrection") implied that she was fully aware that Ocelot was faking his being possessed by Liquid. Well, might as well put it back in, as well as remove that tidbit about how she arranged with Ocelot for "Liquid's" insurrection. Weedle McHairybug 20:42, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * She did not know that Vamp burned Solidus' body. She really though that he burned Big Boss' body. It's true that she was reconstructing Big Boss' body but we must remember that she also had Solidus' body and used it as a decoy. Liquid Ocelot destroyed her Pyx, remember? He then took Big Boss' body from the Pyx and had Vamp burn Solidus' body. It happened so quickly that she didn't notice the eye difference. --72.186.96.252 22:23, December 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * That's an interesting theory, one I hadn't thought of before. Can it be proven (i.e. can you see the eyepatch switch)? --Bluerock 22:36, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait, so you're saying that in EVA's pyx was the bodies of both Solidus and Big Boss? Your working on this assumption that Big Boss' body was even in Eastern Europe to begin with. At no point is there evidence to suggest Big Boss reconstuction was happening there, or that his body was ever there. It's an interesting theory, but it seems like there are too many assumptions for it to be proven, unless I'm missing something... --Fantomas 22:39, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * No, Liquid Ocelot's men must have taken Solidus' body from one of the decoy's vans during the chase. And EVA did tell Snake that Big Boss' body was in the pyx. But whatever, it's simply my opinion. --72.186.96.252 12:51, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are assuming Big Boss was actually in the Pyx/Eastern Europe. EVA does say his body is in the Pyx, this is true, but we are then shown his body, which we know was actually Solidus. As we all know, the whole thing was staged to fool Liquid Ocelot & Zero, and that's why Solidus body is used, if this is so then bringing Big Boss' now reconstructed body to Europe with them and having it in one of the vans would have been a very silly move on EVA's part. EVA had to have known that the body was Solidus, or this whole portion of the game makes little sense. --Fantomas 17:33, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * ...or if not Liquid Ocelot, then definitely Zero or the AIs (then again, it's implied in the ending that the AIs had basically overthrown Zero and also did things that not even he would have approved of.). I doubt that Liquid Ocelot was fooled. From what I understand about Big Boss's explaination, Liquid Ocelot seemed to know that it was Solidus, and yet deliberately chose him rather than Big Boss. Of course, even without Big Boss's explaination, Ocelot would still have understood it to be Solidus (He briefly worked for Solidus since at least the FOXHOUND Rebellion, if not even earlier), and even commented on Solidus's eyepatch making him a split image of Big Boss. If we are to assume that Liquid was slightly in control of Ocelot (which, at least in the final battle, it's implied that he was in at best minimal control, due to the whole phase thing.), and Liquid had met Big Boss during the events of Peace Walker, he'd also know the difference. Also, there was official artwork of Big Boss's charred body and it looked significantly different than the Biomort that was Solidus. Weedle McHairybug 17:56, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Liquid was TWO YEARS OLD in Peace Walker. How the hell would he meet Big Boss? He was a baby at the time. And Fantomas clearly has a short attention span. Big Boss' body was NEVER in the van. He was in that boat aka "Pyx". Ocelot took his body and burned the "Pyx". EVA did not know that the body that Vamp threw into the fire was Solidus's. Deal with it, Fantomas. --72.186.96.252 13:07, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * You might as well ask how Liquid Snake even learned of the Les Enfants Terribles, or how he was acting as though he actually met Big Boss in Metal Gear Solid/Twin Snakes. I mean, it highly unlikely that Liquid would have found out about his origins from the SAS, SIS, US Goovernment, or the US Armed Forces, considering how that is highly classified information, and besides which, Solid Snake, his twin brother, never even knew about the Les Enfants Terribles project prior to Liquid telling him about it, never mind his involvement in the project. Also, in regards to EVA, there would be absolutely no way that she would mistake Solidus's body with Big Boss's body on the PYX, even disregarding the eyepatch's location. Going by what Big Boss said in Naked Sin/Naked Son, EVA and the Paradise Lost army had not only hooked him up to a machine, but they also replaced many organs and body parts (including, presumably, his skin and eyes, going by what Solidus's body looked like when Snake saw him), and the way he was referring to the process implied that it was happening sometime before Solid Snake paid EVA a visit. Weedle McHairybug 14:38, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Another thing that doesn't make sense: Do you really think if Liquid Ocelot had gotten his hands on the real Big Boss, he would have just let him go? No, he would have destroyed his body too, most likely. Liquid hated Big Boss. Your whole theory is just fanwank. It's not really much of a stretch that maybe EVA was just keeping her cover intact by leaping into the fire after Big Boss. Or maybe (as shown by the scene earlier where she thinks Snake is Big Boss) even though she knew it was Solidus, she was hallucinating and thought it was actually Big Boss. --Fantomas 14:56, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and besides which, not only would Liquid "hate" Big Boss, "Liquid" Ocelot not throwing Big Boss's corpse into the fire would be a big blunder in regards to his plans (Remember, the reason why "Liquid" Ocelot decided to fake possession from Liquid was so he could trick the Patriots AIs into thinking that Liquid had resurfaced and try to focus on him while the real threat to their existance (IE, Solid Snake/Old Snake) can [albeit unknowingly] shut them down. In order to trick the Patriots into thinking that Liquid has resurfaced, he needs to be exactly like Liquid in terms of mannerisms [or, to quote Osiris from "Tropic Thunder:" "I'mma not gona break character until the DVD release"]. That means he can't afford to save Big Boss if he manages to get his body, if he is to act in character.). Granted, Liquid Ocelot really needed to work on the voice [I mean, he did kinda mess up on the voice acting of Liquid, since he sounded more like Revolver Ocelot in terms of Voice Acting than Liquid.], but still. Weedle McHairybug 15:05, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Secret Service
Is it in an optional codec conversation that Snake mentions that? I've been playing MGS2 since release and I have no memory of him saying anything like that. I'll see if I can find it on YouTube or something. --Fantomas 22:33, December 17, 2009 (UTC

RE: Hi. I'd like to know a few things.
Spy report for Venus is:

Power Substation - Alien Invasion? "A female dressed as what can only be described as a Venusian has been sighted at the Substation. The subject appears to be armed."

Spy report for Teliko is:

Guest House - Alien Sighting? "A female wearing a bizarre outfit has been spotted at the Guest House. The subject appears to be armed."

Will try looking for other parts of the script relating to the two.

Bluerock


 * Ah ok, just saw your last message, guess you don't need these. -- Bluerock 17:39, December 26, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I didn't. But thanks anyways, and good luck. I also wrote a blog requesting help related to a mission. Weedle McHairybug 17:40, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

RE: Fantomas, permission to create an article detailing the plotline of Peace Walker?
I'd rather we waited until the game is out, to be honest. The game itself might also give us a better title to use for the article. --Fantomas 21:39, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Metal Gear VRC-4
Hey Weedle, The VRC-4 was just another name for the original TX-55 model, not the main upgraded version, "Metal Gear 2", at the end of the game. --Bluerock 15:18, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'm American too
I live in Florida but I was born in New Jersey.

Me too. Mgstec 03:22, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Good enough for me.
Thanks! :)

Yep, that's me.
I'm glad that Minet is returning for Peace Walker. Her return surprised me. I just wish people would stop saying that she's West.

Cuban Cigars are illegal in the United States?
I didn't know that. Thanks for the info. --70.126.138.212 15:20, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Whatever I say goes? I ain't some arrogant know-it-all. If I see something that's incorrect, I erase it.


 * I wasn't trying to imply that at all. I was just saying it as a form of respect, that's all. Weedle McHairybug 00:49, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

In that case, I apologise. I don't particularly enjoy omitting other people's additions and I try to avoid doing so as much as possible but if it's either wrong or unneeded, it can't stay, can it?

Real name
Hey Weedle,

I noticed your comment on Fantomas's page regarding the safety of putting your real name. In my opinion, its not that good an idea since you can't really specify you can see your user page or not, so really anyone can see it.

Although, I myself have, no one has bothered to track me down, though its probably because I live all the way in the UK. The worst thing that happened was when some unknown IP tried using my real name, and home country, during some dispute, to get a reaction from me. But I just shrugged it off and made a joke back to him (I think its the same guy who seems to hate Fantomas for some reason).

Anyway, just my experiences.

Bluerock 14:41, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, no one has, aside from the IP Bluerock mentioned. And like Bluerock, I also hail from the UK. The IP sometimes uses my name in an attempt to sound scary and intimidating, and once looked me up on Facebook (despite apparently not having an account) and then referred to me as an Albino, which is funny because my Facebook profile pic (which is the only picture of me he'd be able to see without adding me as a friend) has never been an actual picture of myself for this very reason. I have no idea who he actually found. --Fantomas 14:56, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok. It's just that where I hailed from, which are some Pokemon Fansites, especially BMGf and SPPf, have basically been merciless towards me because I'm a Misty fan. I was even sent to the Hall of Shame in the former just because I wanted to help my friends bring back Misty, seeing how they were upset and wanting her to come back. Also, I'll admit that while I don't really have anything against you, I have been nervous about Mod-types, due to my experiences on SPPf and BMGf. If they knew my real name, I feared that things would ultimately end up getting worse. Basically, we Misty fans have been victims of bashing, and only we Misty fans seemed to suffer from it, while the ones that are hurting us either aren't being stopped, or are actually being praised for what they are doing. Weedle McHairybug 15:02, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * When I was at school kid's used to make fun of me for being a Misty fan. I would just like to say this though: if you were to put your name on your user page, the odds of it bringing around people who just want to be assholes is actually pretty slim, and even if they were it's not the sort of behaviour I tolerate at all here. --Fantomas 15:14, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That gives me enough willpower to add it in. Of course, then again, the template apparently isn't working. I inputted the template code, yet it comes up as a red tag. Weedle McHairybug 15:35, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * EDIT: I made the template using Wikitext, BTW. Weedle McHairybug 15:45, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I really don't care whether you post your real name. It's your account. I'm not going to track you down and harm you. I live in another state for Christ's sake. I've never revealed my real full name on the internet and I never will. I will say that I live in Florida though. And yes, I hate Fantomas. He's a jerk. Anyway, I was a Pokemon fan myself back in 1998, 1999 and 2000. Too bad Misty never hooked up with Ash. Have a good day. --70.127.201.57 17:05, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I wasn't sure at first, mainly because of how it is implied that if you leak out your real name they'll either steal your identity or you'll get yourself into a lot of trouble from a potential bad person. For example, in Sister Sister, Tia and Tamera had met someone online claiming to be a famous fashion designer named "Verique," that person later revealed to be a scam artist/grade A sex offender, Tamera decided to sneak out to meet him, causing Tia to try and chase after her, causing the both of them to get into deep trouble when meeting him. One of the episodes of Smart Guy, while toned down a notch, covered a similar plotline, and in the case of a movie starring Sinbad known as First Kid, an online "friend" of The President of the United States's son was later revealed to be a deranged ex-secret service member who wanted to kill him due to his costing him his job. I didn't want to meet similar risks with it. However, after learning from you guys about it being low, I decided to try and risk it. However, the name template is currently not working for unknown reasons. Weedle McHairybug 22:27, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

RE: San Hieronymo Takeover
I will see what I can do when I have the time. I'll try and keep the important plot points in there, while any info relating to specific characters and their development can probably be removed since they will probably already have been noted in their respective articles. Bluerock 17:02, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ahh, so it was you who wrote the long version of that article. Sorry I sort of stopped summarising it, but I have a very short attention span for things of this nature. --Fantomas 17:51, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Metal Gear REX Mass-Production
Hey Weedle,

I think you should remove your edits concerning REX's mass production. It was REX's blueprints that were sold to other countries, not the weapon itself. The countries themselves built their own versions of REX from these blueprints, so they are not mass-produced since they are not all the same, and are derivatives of the original. The railgun would have been removed from the plans themselves.

Bluerock 13:44, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

RE: About your timeline...
You mean my personal timeline? I don't know really, I've just never thought of it as being part of the events. I think that's after the point where the real world events and the MGS world diverge completely away from each other. Who knows? --Fantomas 23:14, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

You're autistic?
Wow, that explains a lot. I never pictured you living in Georgia. 70.127.201.57 16:45, January 31, 2010 (UTC)

NSA Codebreaker
Hey Weedle, Are you sure that the real NSA codebraker was also named EVA? Or was that just the name she thought up on the spot? --Bluerock 18:56, February 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure Zero had mentioned when talking to Snake that the two NSA codebreakers in the Soviet Union were named ADAM and EVA, which means that was indeed the codename for the NSA codebreaker. Weedle McHairybug 19:00, February 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, ok then, couldn't remember. --Bluerock 19:10, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

So your real name is Eric James Otness.
Interesting, your last name is new to me. I've never heard of Otness.


 * Otness is not a really common last name, not even in Norway (Since I'm of Norwegian Descent.), so I really don't blame you for not hearing it. Actually, the name "Otness" is so rare that anyone in America with the last name of Otness is very likely to be a relative of some sort. To be honest, the last name wasn't even the last name of my Great Grandparents when they were in Norway before they moved to America. They named their last names after their old farm, the North Otness Farm (Derived from an old farm "Ot" near the Lake ("Ness").). Weedle McHairybug 14:57, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

RE: EVA
Yeah, I know sorry. The wiki neglected to tell me that you had made an edit so it got deleted by mistake. I added it in again anyway.--Bluerock 16:38, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know who the actor model was or if there even is an actor model.
I think Miller, Marcova and Marv's models were probably not based on any celebrities. --Socom64 19:42, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Where did it say that Sniper Wolf was born in 1983?
I believe you but I've never heard about that before. 70.126.138.182 23:21, February 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * It was stated in the Timeline article. Specifically, in the 1980s section. Weedle McHairybug 23:40, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday
--Bluerock 11:06, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * And from me, keep up the good work! --Fantomas 11:21, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

Ocelot having that duel with Big Boss during the 60s?
When was the novel released? 2003? As you know, Snake Eater came out in 2004 so the duel thing would be moot if the novel was released after that.
 * No, it came out just before MGS4 did. --Fantomas 16:37, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fantomas is right, and the novelization even foreshadowed Naked Sin/Naked Son where Snake attempted to commit suicide in front of Big Boss's grave. My point still stands as the game did not have that mention originally. Weedle McHairybug 16:39, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I see. Thanks.
 * You're welcome. And next time, please try to find a better arguement than it's not in the games when trying to argue canon. Weedle McHairybug 16:55, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

RE: So, Psycho Mantis was using stealth?
When the info on it possibly being some psychokinetic power was added (was it you?), I did actually consider that it might have been. But a Codec conversation with Otacon, when Meryl is under Mantis's control, says otherwise:

Otacon: Someone else must be controlling Meryl. Do something, Snake...save her.

Snake: What am I supposed to do? I don't even know where he is.

Otacon: Probably somewhere close by. He's just invisible.

Snake: How?

Otacon: Stealth camouflage. A technology I developed... Stealth camouflage works by bending the light around the user in such a way that they're rendered nearly invisible. But if you had Thermal Goggles, you'd be able to see him. Anyway, you can't see him with your naked eyes, but there must be some way to make him show up.


 * Ah. Ok. Well, is it at least all right if I add in that whether he was using stealth camouflage or using psychokinesis to cloak himself in his trivia section? Weedle McHairybug 19:47, February 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * You mean suggest that either is possible? I wouldn't bother. More Codec dialogue suggests that it is actually stealth camo:

Snake: I can't see Mantis!

Campbell: Snake, he has mind powers, but he's not a magician.

Snake: I get it. Stealth camouflage maybe?

No problem.
I'm glad I could help. By the way, what does the name "Weedle McHairybug" mean? Anyway, have a good night.70.126.138.182 23:16, February 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, it's a long story. Basically I was a Pokemon fan. However, I was also a Star Fox fan as well (the very first Star Fox game I played was Star Fox 64), I made a bit of a story in my head that combined those two franchises together, and then some, into this story called "Pokemon Crew." Basically, it was the Pokemon version of Star Fox. My username was based off of the lead character. Most of the characters names were based off of certain species of Pokemon. As Weedle's name implies, he was based off of the Pokemon Weedle. He was also based off of the main character of Star Fox, Fox McCloud (which also explains his last name.). Star Fox and Pokemon weren't the only franchises that I used to create it, however. I also used Beast Wars: Transformers as an inspiration for one of the storylines as well. Weedle McHairybug 23:22, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

RE: You said that Big Boss was stated in official documents pertaining to Metal Gear Solid to be in his 70s when defeated, right?
Yes, these biographies seem to be difficult to find on the internet, but I found them on Konami's official site for MGS (its in Jpanese but the stats are in english). They have been printed in other media such as the Art of Metal Gear Solid book, but this is the most direct source I can find []. Other character bios are on this site too, which is where I got all the height measurements from. --Bluerock 08:25, February 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I know.
Huey is definitely related to Otacon though. He looks just like him. --70.126.138.28 21:32, February 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, he is definitely related to him. Although I kinda wish Hideo Kojima would give a better hint as to who Huey is other than "Huey is exactly who you think he is." I mean, at least when he said that about Naked Snake, there was no one else that it could have been (Solid Snake wasn't born yet in the setting of MGS3, and neither were Liquid or Solidus, so the only person that it could have been was Big Boss.). However, Otacon has two people in his family that could easily match that description: His father, and his Grandfather. I might bet my cyber-dollars that Huey might be his father, though, since his being in a wheelchair may explain how Otacon's dad was able to successfully drown himself in a pool. However, I won't hold to it until we have valid confirmation. Weedle McHairybug 21:39, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, Eric.
Ocelot doesn't specify the war he fought in. He only tells Snake that he fought in a war in Chad. I suggest you at least try to play some of the other Metal Gear games. Here's the conversation.

Ocelot: I've fought wars in Afghanistan, Mozambique, Eritrea, and Chad. Among the Mujahaddin guerrillas, I was known and feared as "Shalashaska". I was trained by the Russian GRU. I am not like one of those KGB slugs. To me, this isn't torture...It's a sport.

Snake: You're all just a bunch of sadists.

Ocelot: Don't confuse me with those uniformed fools.

70.126.139.90 13:36, March 4, 2010 (UTC)

Changes to Mi-24 entry undone.
So I see. Fair enough, changes undone.

Question about Psycho Mantis battle from the novel.
How did Snake manage to beat him in the novel? He obviously didn't change controllers but how did he manage to avoid having his mind read?70.127.204.161 13:50, March 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, technically, he didn't avoid having his mind read at first (He encounters Master Miller in the Commander's room, which upon leaving it he enters Kiddieland, Master Miller abandons him, Meryl apparently goes nuts in the park, he chases her into the Funhouse, where he sees three mirrors being occupied by three people: Meryl, Otacon, and, yes, even Big Boss. Meryl and Otacon are pleading with Snake to get them out, but Big Boss seemed to be resigned to his fate in the mirror. However, Big Boss does plead with Snake to give Snake the passcodes, or otherwise he'll die a horrendous death. When Snake states he doesn't even know the passcodes... well, long story short, Big Boss ended up having his brains pouring out of him.) Snake does eventually resist, however. Also, he had a bit of trouble lifting his SOCOM off of his holster, though (first it appeared as though it was scorching hot, then later, he ended up having trouble lifting it.). Snake also managed to beat Psycho Mantis by tricking him into levitating the entire room (Snake accidentally discovered his weakness when he first broke out of Mantis's hold and fired a round. Apparently, Psycho Mantis has trouble focusing on keeping Snake at bay if he is busy levitating objects.). After he levitated the entire room (well, you know, the contents), Snake then fired a round at his knees. Weedle McHairybug 14:01, March 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow, thanks. By the way, I've noticed the edit war on Solid Snake's page. I believe the novel is partly canon but it is inaccurate on some stuff. Gray Fox was killed when Liquid crushed him like a bug. He didn't die with his body intact in the games. And none of the games say Solid Snake was born in New Mexico. Finally, Otacon never told Snake that Johnny was a head technician in the games either. --70.127.204.161 18:36, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Technically, none of the games really covered that much on the Les Enfants Terribles project, so we shouldn't say what did take place and what didn't in regards to that aspect. I also noticed that part about Gray Fox and placed it in the Behind the Scenes section (well, techically I placed it in the Trivia section, but Bluerock decided to split it up.). As for Johnny Sasaki, I doubt he would have been a Genome Soldier in the first place even without the novel (It's heavily implied in MGS1 that the way Genome Soldiers get their genes enhanced with those of Big Boss was through shots, and given Johnny's issue with shots, there would have been no way he would have been a Genome Soldier.). His being brainwashed and being a former technician at Shadow Moses was probably a bit more likely, given the alternative. Weedle McHairybug 18:42, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Liquid Snake's real name and hair. And Patriots
Here's a question that's been buggining me. What's Liquid's Snake real name. We don't know. We know Solidus(George Sears) We know Solid Snake's name (David) last name unknown and we know Big Boss's real name (John or Jack doe) Anyway What's Liquid's real name? And has his always been blond? During Shadow Moses Liquid was aware of The Patriots so Why didn't Ocelot come out and tell Liquid the truth. He could have used Liquid's help to destroy The Patriots. Would that make more sense instead going through whole the Liquid Ocelot ordeal. I mean they asked Naomi to help. Why not Liquid?


 * They stated that Liquid's name was heavily classified to even the highest member in a chain of command. In short, we don't know. Assuming what Hideo Kojima said was true, we might find out in Peace Walker. His Hair color is never really specified. The TGS2009 shows a kid that Big Boss jumps on to save him from apparently aerial bombing that resembles Liquid, but we don't know for certain yet. Anyways, the kid has blonde hair. However, an interview with Yoji Shinkawa implies that he used to have brown hair just like his brother, but it was bleached to blond by the intense rays from the sun during his time in Iraq. As for why Ocelot didn't tell him, I don't know. Weedle McHairybug 21:31, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

You misunderstood.
The point I was making is that since Big Boss joined FOX in 1960, Python had to have been a member of FOX too since they were on a mission together. 70.126.138.71 22:18, March 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, although the database article for Big Boss doesn't mention that mission that Python was in (Heck, the article didn't even mention Python at all.), which is strange, especially considering how they seemed to have a history. Weedle McHairybug 22:20, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the trailer, Otness.
Peace Walker is going to be a great game. Please try to buy it though. :) --70.127.203.197 18:03, April 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll try to buy it as soon as it comes out in America. However, I won't buy the Japanese release since, to be honest, I don't really understand Japanese. I am going to take a Japanese course over the summer, however. Weedle McHairybug 18:05, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

MGS1
Hey Weedle, I was just wondering if you knew that the original MGS1 game is available to download for PSP. I remember you mentioning a couple of times that you hadn't been able to play much Metal Gear (besides Portable Ops). I don't think it costs that much either (only £7.99 here in UK). --Bluerock 20:39, April 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * If I'm going to go download the original MGS1 game onto my PSP via the PSN, I'll have to go to my local Best Buy (As that's pretty much the only place where a wireless connection can actually work since I don't possess a wireless connection at my house. The main issue is accidentally accessing someone in my neighborhood's account.). Weedle McHairybug 05:29, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Portable Ops Recruitment
Hey Weedle, Yeah, I was aware that Sokolov didn't have his own recruitment section there at the moment, but I was thinking one could be added there in the future. Same for Python, Raikov, Zero etc. Whether they're canon or not doesn't really matter since it won't be part of the article proper, it'll be concerned with gameplay. You could help add these if you wish. --Bluerock 14:20, April 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll consider Raikov and Sokolov. However, Python's recruitment is already noted in the Trivia Section, and I'm only going to give a section to those that require at least one mission to recruit them, and also has dialogue of some sort. In other words, Zero, Null, Cunningham, Elisa/Ursula, or any of those characters would not get their own sections, and at best can only get a mention in the Behind the Scenes section. Also, I might have to keep the mention of Raikov and Sokolov in the main articles, as they're technically canon, and yet make a recruitment section for the Portable Ops detailing exactly how they are recruitable. Weedle McHairybug 14:33, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. --Bluerock 14:42, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice work on the Sokolov article, may need trimming down a little bit but good start anyway. --Bluerock 15:37, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Peace Walker
I was about to say this to you yesterday but my internet cut out. I actually wanted to avoid Peace Walker spoilers until the game was out in America/Europe, as most of our viewers/users are probably American. But you appear to have poosted info for the entire game up here. I guess we have no chouce but to leave it now. I wanted to avoid spoilers, so I'll be temporarily leaving until the game is released over here in the UK. I hope you and the others will be okay in my absence. --Fantomas 09:06, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

CIA Director > John McCone
I suggest that we change the name of the CIA Director page to John McCone since 2 CIA directors have appeared in the Metal Gear Solid series: John McCone and Hot Coldman. That way we can avoid things like "The DCI, who wasn't the DCI at the time,...." It can be a bit confusing. - Marcaurelix

Solidus Anti-Hero or Villian? Ocelot's Apple.
Here's a question very few ask. Was Solidus a anti-hero or was he a villian? I know his main goal was to destroy The Patriots but at what cost? He seem to have traits of both.

He wanted to save the world. But he was willing to use a nuclear weapons and Metal Gears to do so. So it begs the question who side was Solidus on? Why did Ocelot crush that apple for? What he's got something against apples? If you couldn't tell just by looking at them. How would tell the difference between Revolver Ocelot and Liquid Ocelot in terms of personality?


 * Well, technically, the weapon that Solidus was planning on using was a purified hydrogen bomb that releases an EMP wave to short circuit Manhattan's Wall Street to release the control of The Patriots. As for Ocelot crusing that apple, if you're talking about Liquid Ocelot, it's namely to disavow any remanence of his former self to sell the act, at least to Snake and the Patriots. Revolver Ocelot had more of a western personality, similar to cowboys. Liquid Ocelot was more menacing, and he also acted loud and arrogant (that last part was, of course, based off of Liquid Snake). Weedle McHairybug 05:32, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Pupa
Here's the link that proves the Pupa is similar to the Shagohod. http://www.konami.jp/mgs_pw/en/character/index.html Mgstec 03:29, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Who's the "deviously cunning strategist" Gene mentioned? Coldman or McCone?
I ask this since in Peace Walker, it is revealed that Coldman was the person who actually planned The Boss's defection and death. Then who's the cunning strategist: Coldman or John McCone? Coldman: We used each other. I'll get my old directors job back at headquarters and you'll finally be able to "walk tall" among your colleagues. Huey: Rgh..I wont let you get away with this! Coldman: How unfortunate. Guess I'll just have to take your "legs" for myself! Huey is pushed down
 * Well, from what your saying, it sounds like it was actually Coldman. We assumed it was the DCI previously, due to a lack of info. --Bluerock 09:53, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * This is according to Weedle's info from Peace Walker. But we aren't sure that the info Weedle has given us is accurate. We might need to wait for his response. For the moment, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and I'll make some changes in the wikia. - Marcaurelix
 * Well, it was first alluded that he used to be the Director of the CIA in the scene where Coldman shoves Huey down the stairs. Here's the quote:
 * Huey: You used me


 * The scene can be seen here on Youtube, although I'll warn you, it does deal with Spoilers. His relation to both the Virtuous Mission and Operation Snake Eater was mentioned in the scene where Big Boss was caught by the Peace Sentinels in The Boss's AI. Here's the direct quote:

Snake is punched in the face by Coldman Coldman: I know all about you. Tselinoyarsk? 10 years ago? Snake: You were involved...? Coldman: The operation to eliminate the traitor? I planned the whole thing. Snake: Shouldn't a suit like you be back at Langley? What the hell are you doing here? Coldman:...It's what the CIA does best. Ensure people in the know keep thier mouths shut, or else pack them off someplace where there's no one to listen.
 * Snake: Lobo? Smells like a rotting corpse to me


 * Although that particular scene isn't on Youtube, a similar site has the scene, Justintv. It's here. Other than the obvious warning of spoilers, I should also warn you that most of the site is in Japanese. Hope that answers your question. Given what Coldman said, it's very likely that Coldman was the man who plotted the entire thing. Weedle McHairybug 12:23, May 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm, doesn't really answer the question about whether he was the DCI at the time, just that he planned the operation to kill the Boss. He may have become DCI after his predecessor's death in 1970, and then lost it just before Peace Walker. We need to wait for the whole game first rather than make assumptions. --Bluerock 12:32, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * The scene where he caught Big Boss implies that the reason why he was demoted to the CIA Station Chief of Central America was because he knew too much about the operation and was a convenient way to remove him. The only way that such a possibility should occur is if he was the DCI by the time of Operation Snake Eater, and was then demoted shortly before the mission's end (If the CIA were truly concerned about such information being leaked out, especially by one of their own members, I'm pretty sure that they would do such a thing.). Anyways, at least I tried to explain it. Weedle McHairybug 12:37, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm.
Hmm? I see I've got an unanswer question. Oh well too bad.

Well, I'll be god damned.
You were right about Coldman. I was wrong. The DCI in 1964 was NOT the deviously cunning strategist. Coldman was. I apologize for calling you stupid. For a guy who's autistic, you're definitely smart. :) --70.127.200.182 13:36, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Apology accepted. To be fair, I heard the rumor on Gamefaqs when talking about the TGS2009 trailer, so I can't really take all the credit. Weedle McHairybug 13:53, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Ocelot and Peace Walker The Patriots
It would seem that Ocelot doesn't have a role in Peace Walker I've watched the japanese vesion of the game on Justin.tv he doesn't make a appearance in the story. Or for that matter The La-Li-Lu-(Clears throat) I mean The Patriots. So if any of you expecting Ocelot or The La-Li- Uh The Patriots to make an appearance. You'll be sadly disappointed.

Well, I'm not sure whether it's canon.
Some of the extra ops missions involve talking cats and Big Boss fighting a dragon. Then again, I could be wrong. At the very least, the date mission could be considered canon. By the way I saw you mention a timeline in Gamefaqs. Got a link to the translation of the ending credits timeline? 70.127.200.182 21:46, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * You know, I was searching for a translation for the timeline myself. I do know that EVA was briefly mentioned by Snake and Miller, though. I only knew because EVA's name was in plain english. Weedle McHairybug 21:48, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Good luck on that. I'm surprised that Paz dies. I never expected that Big Boss would kill her.--70.127.200.182 19:29, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know. A bit surprising, although I did not anticipate that Paz would act the way she did either. Weedle McHairybug 19:31, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Gray Fox Age unknown confirming
Whether this canon or not I had a source that confirmed me Gray Fox's age from a metal gear website. Gray Fox (A.K.A. Frank Hunter) born 1954 died 2005. would make him 51 when he died. Now bear in mind wherther or not this canon I'm not sure but my friend said this might be canon.


 * Hmm... 1954? Lets see, That would mean that he'd be about twelve during the Mozambician War of Independence, and possibly around 4-11 while in Vietnam when he was forced into hard labor. Approximately 16 by the time of the San Hieronymo Takeover, maybe 17 by its end. I'd say that fits about right. However, just for accuracie's sake, I think you need to post the site's name, to verify if it counts as a source, since, logical or not, we need to know if it is verifiable. Of course, he'd still need a Vietnamese parent, given his heritage. Weedle McHairybug 01:39, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Gray Fox Age confirmed.
I had my source or my friend re check that Metal Gear website. It's an over seas website you would find in your yahoo or at least the american branch. Eurpoean website Metal Gear ultimate Source or something like that. But anyway the source confirms that he was born a year before his parent died during the veitnam war. Gray Fox born 1954 died 2005. making him 16 in Portable Ops. Making him 41 during MG1 45 in MG2. And finally 51 in 2005 MGS1 when he died. It's canon.


 * Ok... Can you at least post the link to the site or the keyword? I'm sorry, but I tried searching Yahoo, but the closest to a site matching that description is omgmetalgear.blogfaction.com. Weedle McHairybug 02:39, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry
Unfortunatly only my friend knows the name of that website but he'd already signed off. So I'll to wait a while before I can E-mail him again. Sorry I can't be much more helpful to you. But I already told you can't find in yahoo. Again sorry. But he confirmed me twice that this is his right age. And that's all I know.

So EVA is in Peace Walker.
I had a feeling that was the case. So did she have new dialogue or was it flashback stuff? I'm surprised The End showed up too. 70.127.203.237 21:16, May 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * A bit of both. EVA's explaination to Big Boss about what The Boss's true mission back in 1964 was heard in a flashback that played shortly after Big Boss euthanized The Boss's Horse while reliving his execution of The Boss. Also, she recorded several tapes for the Militaires Sans Frontieres about The Boss's life, which included explainations on why she had to kill the Sorrow and why she was set up by the government. However, I only read this on GameFAQs, and I can't know exactly what the tapes are about until it hits the US. As for The End, that was quite a shock as well. I'm also surprised that both his english VA and his japanese VA are playing the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Weedle McHairybug 21:25, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Thanks Otness. I'm surprised Suzetta Minet is not a big time voice actresss. EVA is her only role.70.127.203.237 21:27, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, in fact, it's also unknown if she's even a small time voice actress, as there are some hints that she may be an alias. Speaking of which, I was probably thinking of trying to establish contact with Jodi Benson to find out if she was Suzetta Minet. The reason why is because some people are speculating among alias-wise stuff that Suzetta Minet's true identity is either Jodi Benson or Debi Mae West. Since Debi Mae West has already denied being her in a podcast interview, the only suspect left is Jodi Benson, and even then we don't know with absolute certainty. Personally, I don't care if she is her or not, but if it means ending this debate, I'll try and find out the answers myself. Her residence isn't really far from mine, anyways (I live in Dunwoody, Georgia. She lives at Flowery Branch. That's about 42.1 miles apart) and assuming she still isn't working on Toy Story 3 before Peace Walker is released states wise, I might come into contact with her. Weedle McHairybug 21:36, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know. You're that guy from the Simpsons wiki, Imdb, Gamefaqs and Wikipedia. Anyway, good luck. --70.127.203.237 22:01, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Space Seals
Hey Weedle, I know you've read the MGS novel, so I was just wondering something. Is it specifically the Genome Combat Veterans who are nicknamed Space Seals in the book, or could it be refering to the entire Genome Army, as the manual and strategy guide stated this originally? --Bluerock 22:00, May 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure. It's on Page 19. I'll even supply the exact line:


 * "Since they all went through the same gene therapy, they probably felt closer than brothers. They see the unit as their only family. They'll be the usual types of foces: arctic warfare squads, light infantry, NBC warfare squads, and heavily armed troopers." Snake shoook his head. NBC warfare soldiers handled nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. Terrific. "And then there's the cream of the crop," Campbell added. "The Genome Combat Veterans. They'll be dressed in spec-ops black owl Kevlar-armored fatigues. They call themselves Space Seals." "Why?" Snake asked. "Do they sit up, clap their flippers and bark for treats?" No one laughed.


 * Given the way it was written, its implied that they are an entirely different unit within the Next Generation Special Forces. Weedle McHairybug 22:14, May 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes it does seem to imply that. Are they mentioned elsewhere in the book? As in Snake identified them specifically as Space Seals when/if he encountered them rather than the regular soldiers? --Bluerock 22:19, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry to be a pain, just wondering if Benson might have got it confused or something. --Bluerock 22:22, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * They were mentioned elsewhere. The cloaked soldiers that Snake fought onboard the freight elevator on the communications tower were identified as Space Seals. Also, he also hid before entering the storage facility when he witnessed three guards that he immediately identified as Space Seals from a black insignia on snow uniforms. They carried some containers (one a large rectangular box and the other a bulky square container, which contained a Stinger missile launcher with three missiles, and a large supply of C4, claymores, fragmentation grenades and flash grenades, respectively). He learned from eavesdropping on their conversation not only that a third container was stolen by an intruder (either Gray Fox or Solid Snake, it wasn't specified), as well as hinting that a majority of the soldiers ran from the base as a result of Mantis's death, but also briefly mentioning the Hostages (as well as hinting they are located in an area that doesn't have a TV.). Weedle McHairybug 22:38, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah ok, thanks for that. So, they also have a specific insignia as well. Also, I wonder where any deserting soldiers could have run off to since they were on an island (as Otacon points out to Snake, after suggesting that he should escape when the coast was clear)? --Bluerock 22:51, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wherever they went, they certainly used Snowmobiles to escape, as the soldiers stated. Weedle McHairybug 23:19, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Question about Trucks in Portable Ops
Sorry, but I wouldn't really know anything about it, as I know next to nothing about truck/automobile models and such. I think I mentioned a specific truck model for the "Military Resources" section of one of the event articles, as I noticed that someone had identified it as such in the "Trucks" section of the Vehicles article, but the ones in Portable Ops have not been identified by anyone yet. Do they look similar to the ones in Snake Eater? --Bluerock 22:42, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, they don't look like either the Maz-535 nor those gray trucks of which one parked over the manhole cover (on that note, I also don't know what that one is.). They do, however, look similar to the trucks in Peace Walker. Weedle McHairybug 22:48, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Peace Walker event page
Weedle, I know that you might be occupied, but can you please make a Peace Walker event page (you know, like the Shadow Moses Incident or Les Enfants Terribles, for example). - Marcaurelix


 * I'll try to make a first attempt, but the page might look tacky due to the fact that there is barely any information on the game aside from the Graphic Novel Cutscenes and fan-translations of certain cutscenes. By that, I mean english translations, of course. Weedle McHairybug 13:12, May 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you very much. - Marcaurelix


 * Wasn't there a secret telephone call at the end. - Marcaurelix
 * Yes, there was. In fact, there were two. However, I have to wait until June 8th to add ithem in, at the very least, as I can't speak or read Japanese yet. Weedle McHairybug 22:18, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

I wasn't talking to you.
I was talking to Omega Fighter. I didn't even know you created that sentence. By the way, where have you found those Peace Walker videos? I'm surprised that The Boss was finally exonerated.


 * Well, my primary sources wasn't exactly with the videos as much as with scripts of the graphic novel cutscenes, but they used to air them on justin.tv and Youtube. Of course, for some strange reason, the videos on justin.tv are removed after some time has passed, and in the case of youtube, most of the videos were removed either by the user's own volition (like with MasterMiller's videos) or due to the user being forced to remove the videos due to being tagged with copyright infringement (as was the case with one of the users who got up to the horse being euthanized scene.). Weedle McHairybug 16:06, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for adding to the Peace Walker page.
I knew Coldman was shot in the chest and not in the arm. It's also good to finally know the year Big Boss was born. 70.127.204.44 16:10, May 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * The way the scene was animated made it seem as though he was shot in the arm, that's why I initially thought it was the arm. Weedle McHairybug 16:11, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

You're right
You're right, Weedle. He was talking directly to the Patriots, since the Pentagon is under the control of the Patriots. - Marcaurelix

CIA involvement in Vietnam
Hey Weedle, I think you may have added too much info to the timeline pages in regards to this. Perhaps it would be a better idea just to state when CIA involvement began and when it ended (concerning the war), rather than mention every single aspect of it. --Bluerock 17:50, May 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, I will. However, I might have to keep the whole OSS part, since its technically separate from the CIA. Also, I'm keeping the CIDGs info in there because Portable Ops implied that Big Boss and Jack participated in founding the CIDGs as part of a CIA assignment. Weedle McHairybug 17:55, May 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * What's the significance of OSS again? Also, for the CIDGs info, do you mean Jack and The Boss? And where was it implied? I think some references would help for some of these more obscure points. Thanks. --Bluerock 18:13, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, the OSS, also known as the Office of Strategic Services, was the predecessor of the CIA, and the main spy network for World War II. Considering the mention of the start of the CIA's activities in Vietnam being in the timeline, as well as the mention of the OSS becoming the CIA in the same timeline, it seemed to flow easier, plus it gives continuity as well, as mentioning the part about his Lansdon's involvement in that area would confuse people reading the timeline. As for the whole CIDGs info being implied, its the part before Snake and Python fight, where Python mentioned that their last mission together was nearly ten years prior, which Snake explained was a top secret mission in Vietnam. The closest event in question to Python and Snake's description was the CIDGs info. I didn't even think of it until Marcelieux added in the link to that article about the CIDG from wikipedia to Big Boss's article in the part about his mission with Python. Weedle McHairybug 18:20, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Tselinoyarsk
Where did you find the info on Tselinoyarsk and Zanzibar Land being the same place? Do you have a reference? Up until now the games never made this clear, though I remember this being speculated back in the day of MGS3's release. --Bluerock 19:06, June 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Apparently there was a novelization of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots released in Japan under the author Ito Keikaku. He's dead now, and apparently Peace Walker was dedicated to him. Anyways, apparently this novel stated that Zanzibar Land, the country that owed Big Boss for their independence, was originally called Tselinoyarsk. That's all I've heard and that's all I know. Weedle McHairybug 19:10, June 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * So, I guess we really don't have any proof at the moment then? Hopefully, someone who can read Japanese can provide an actual reference to this, or else it could be seen as speculation. --Bluerock 19:20, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Metal Gear Solid Guns of the Patriots, by Itō Keikaku (ISBN978-4-04-707244-2), page 240. 87.231.1.181 05:56, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Weedle McHairybug 13:20, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you also have a line from the actual text (an approximate translation)? Just to put it in context, was this revealed in Big Mama's speech to Solid Snake, or was this fact stated elsewhere? Thanks. --Bluerock 17:50, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope. I'll try to find out soon, though. Weedle McHairybug 17:54, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I know from my source that the line in question is definitely not in Big Mama's speech. It is, however, in the Narration. I'll find out the exact line. Weedle McHairybug 18:54, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Any news on that? --Bluerock 18:14, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing yet. I'm taking a Japanese course, so I could try to buy and read that novelization, and translate it as I read it in case I ever find it. Weedle McHairybug 18:16, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * No need to do that just to find out, I was just wondering out of interest. I'm surprised your source couldn't just give you the line of text. --Bluerock 18:22, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * No need to do that just to find out, I was just wondering out of interest. I'm surprised your source couldn't just give you the line of text. --Bluerock 18:22, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Yeah
I'm just saying that you would think that the fire from the explosion would kill her. Then again, Liquid survived fire twice. I don't know. If Paz shows up alive in a future game, I'll apologize.

Also, I've read some of that Metal Gear Solid novel on Google. I'm not sure how canon it is. In the novel, Naomi immediately points out that Big Boss is Snake's father yet in the game, she doesn't know until Snake is captured. At the most, the beginning of the novel, Johnny being a technician and the way Master Miller died can be considered canon. That's about it. 70.127.202.62 16:18, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, IDR
Sorry, I did write that page on purpose, but it was only because I wanted help to learn on creating a page that was not messed up, like the Successor Project one.

BTW, I'm dead, aren't I?


 * Well, as long as you don't do it again, I'll spare you. Besides, I and several other members would probably go to jail anyways if we decided to kill you, and I don't have the authority to even ban you, anyways. At best, I could report you. Weedle McHairybug 21:18, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't actually agree with it, Weedle.
I just didn't have a choice. You and the British guy would just tell Fantomas to lock all four pages. And Kojima DID do something similar. You see them dying after six minutes if you run away, hence, they still die even if you don't run away. They are no longer in their suits if you knock them out and they can't survive very long without the suits. Why you and the two British guys can't understand that is still a mystery to me.72.186.97.147 19:25, June 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * You know, you could have just left the site if you didn't actually agree with it. That in itself is a choice. And I kinda meant 100% guaranteed that they died in that they showed the exact same cutscene each time regardless of how Snake does it, similar to how the boss fights in MGS3, or at least the Cobra Unit itself, were handled, in that even if defeated Non-lethally, the cutscene afterwards always remains exactly the same. In my mind, if I had done that, I'd still have the cutscene of the BATB unit blowing up if Snake/the player tranquilized them just to ENSURE that there is absolutely no chance of them surviving. Just something to mull over, anyways. And anyways, that's just me. If you think they died, then hey, they're dead to you, but we kinda need facts that are absolute 100% guaranteed, so even one difference, no matter how minor it is, is enough to not make it settled in my mind, and that might also be another reason why Fantomas and Bluerock are unable to state they're definitely dead. The only reason we label the others as dead is because unlike the Beauty and the Beast Unit, or Python, even, they always have the Bosses that Snake/Big Boss/Raiden meet their fates the exact same way even if Tranquilized or otherwise non-lethally defeated. Weedle McHairybug 19:32, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * What's this pointless rambling your talking about. You've wasted eight lines of space for this? This topic is boring. In the words of the March Hare. I've got a better idea. Let's chance the subject.
 * User 72.186.97.147 was stating that it's not his opinion, but fact that the Beauty and the Beast unit was killed, and that it shouldn't even be debated. However, several users already have stated, including myself, that it isn't 100% confirmed, I also pointed out that he agreed to using the term Neutralized for the four members articles. That's what we were talking, or rambling, about. Weedle McHairybug 00:16, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you blind? I NEVER agreed to it. I just didn't have a choice. Also, their deaths are 100% percent confirmed. Dialogue and and running away from the four beasts for six minutes confirmed that. You and your two friends are too stubborn to accept that. Finally, I don't plan on leaving this website for the time being. It's a good website even though it's filled with moronic jackasses. Hopefully, you and Bluerock will vanish one day like Chaos91 and Ocelot Youth. --72.186.97.147 12:54, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * If they wanted it to be 100% absolutely, why didn't they have the exact same cutscene play regardless of how you defeat them. By that, I meant that if you defeat the Beauties non-lethally, they still explode. Similar to how the Cobra Unit still exploded even if they were defeated nonlethally. See what I'm trying to get at? It would have been far simpler to do that just to ensure that no one even THINKS they'll survive. I know if I worked on MGS4 and I wanted them to be dead no matter what, then I would program the beauty fights so that even IF the player manages to tranquilize them, they'd still explode regardless, as that will make absolutely no one doubt their fate, making it absolutely 100% clear in everybody's mind, just like the Cobra Unit. Weedle McHairybug 13:33, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * They are not going to show Snake waiting six minutes after knocking them out. They are DEAD, you fool. DEAD! They DIE off-screen if you knock them out. Snake even tells Otacon that the wolfs are now guarding the GRAVE of Crying Wolf. But you wouldn't know that because you NEVER PLAYED the game. God, you are a stubborn dense child. You go ahead and believe that the beasts magically woke up and lived happily ever after if it makes you feel better. --72.186.97.147 13:40, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Child? 72, I'm 20 years old, and as soon as Valentines Day (my birthday) comes around, I'll be 21, so I'm far from a child. And I didn't even mention anything about waiting six minutes. Ok, if you want an example of what I mean by that, in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, regardless of how it is handled, the Cobra Unit dies the exact same way in the exact same cutscene, like for example The End's cutscene here. Personally, I don't even care if they lived or not, but that doesn't mean I should let them say that they are dead unless it is confirmed the EXACT same way that Metal Gear Solid The Twin Snakes, Metal Gear Solid 2, Metal Gear Solid 3, and even Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops did their boss fights. Weedle McHairybug 13:48, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20? Are you in college? You said that Obama wrote you a letter or something. He didn't become president until last year. Anyway, I'm 22. --72.186.97.147 15:57, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm in college. In fact, this fall I'll be in my second year of College. And Obama wrote me that presidential letter as part of an awards ceremony when I was a Senior in High School, and I graduated in 2009. And it doesn't matter if you are two years older than me, that still doesn't make me a child as childhood ends at 13, and adulthood is reached between 18 and 21. Weedle McHairybug 16:03, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm in college. In fact, this fall I'll be in my second year of College. And Obama wrote me that presidential letter as part of an awards ceremony when I was a Senior in High School, and I graduated in 2009. And it doesn't matter if you are two years older than me, that still doesn't make me a child as childhood ends at 13, and adulthood is reached between 18 and 21. Weedle McHairybug 16:03, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

New Subject.
If you wish to talk about something. Talk about Metal Gear Rising. And E3.


 * Ok, I guess we're going to have Rising take place between 2 and 4. We know its most likely going to cover rescuing Sunny from The Patriots, as well as his allying himself with Paradise Lost. Maybe, similar to Big Boss in MGS4, we'll get our first voiced appearance of Dr. Madnar, assuming what he said about Madnar saving him was true. Heck, maybe we'll even get some flashbacks to when he was in the Small Boy Unit (It was implied that he did get his PTSD reactivated to a greater degree than before before the events of MGS4.). Weedle McHairybug 00:35, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hopefully, you'll actually PLAY the game this time instead of WATCHING videos from YouTube.--72.186.97.147 12:56, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * If XBOX 360s are rentable, I will (since I have absolutely no intention of actually owning an XBOX 360, especially not for one game alone.). Weedle McHairybug 13:14, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL, what a surprise. Also, Rising is also for PS3 and PC. Anyway, Rising will definitely be a great game. --72.186.97.147 13:27, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll probably be ok with PCs, although I'm not too certain about whether it would work (I actually tried to play Rock Raiders from Lego on the PC, but trying to even get it started was almost impossible.). Weedle McHairybug 13:34, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * You are hopeless. This wiki is going to be filled with incorrect information once Rising comes out. All of that will come from you. --72.186.97.147 13:46, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * All right! All right! I'll get the PC version. However, I do read stuff and analyze them. Weedle McHairybug 13:50, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * And Hideo Kojima will not be directing it. Instead they got some new guy to do it. But he'll still be the producer.
 * And Hideo Kojima will not be directing it. Instead they got some new guy to do it. But he'll still be the producer.

Got Meryl Age wrong. I know all ages
Just to let you know you guys got Meryl's age wrong. She was born 1986. Mei Ling was born 1987. How do I know this? Because the original MGS1 game briefing scene already stated their ages. Mei Ling born 1987 Meryl Silverburgh born 1986. Nastasha born 1976. Sniper Wolf born 1983. I should know I played the original MGS1 game. I know what I'm talking about. Raiden was born 1984 Naomi Hunter was born 1982. Vamp was born 1979. Gray Fox (I got the age wrong sorry) born 1953. (Sorry again).
 * The first game only gave their approximate ages, e.g. thirties, twenties, teens, it never said the exact year in which they were born, only the decade, if that. --Bluerock 05:47, June 24, 2010 (UTC) Sorry I got the age wrong for Naomi Hunter born 1978 sorry. I got Vamp's age wrong. born 1977. Sorry.

Nukes
The nukes that Liquid intended to use were from Shadow Moses, for the same reason as the railgun, in that they weren't controlled by SOP. He says earlier that he knows where to find "nukes they don't control". The nukes in the storage building did have their warheads removed at the time of Old Snake's infiltration, but I don't think it ever said by whom. Possibly, it was Liquid himself. --Bluerock 17:35, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry!
The timeline was so fast, I couldn't read all of it. 70.127.203.117 17:40, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I know what you mean. I had to watch the cutscene twice just to get those things down from 1980. However, I do know of an alternative way, which is Youtube. It allows you to pause if you wish to read what's being said. Weedle McHairybug 17:50, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the Huey edit!
I guess it's possible that Strangelove is Otacon's mother but if that were true, you'd think that it would be mentioned in the ending credits timeline. Then again, Sigint turned out to be the DARPA chief. 70.127.203.117 20:37, July 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I know. I mean, the closest to a hint that Sigint was Donald Anderson was with the MGS3 Ending Timeline mentioning that he helped found ARPAnet. Anyways, I think we can both agree that Julie Danziger is highly unlikely to be Strangelove, as she would be far too old by that point (I'm not certain if she could even produce children by then), plus, her being attracted to people who can stand up for themselves or not, having her marry that Robinson guy would not have been in-character for her at all, as she would not have married someone who was willing to sexually assault her daughter. Weedle McHairybug 20:48, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Laughing Rods are you kidding?
In the japanese version of Peace Walker Dr, Strangelove use Laughing Rods? Are you kiddning me? Their reason is (Mockingly) Because japanese don't believe in torture. Oh give me a break. They think they're so pure and innocent. Bullsh$t. There is nothing pure about them. This is one of the reasons why the japanese think they're better than Americans.


 * It's because the game had to fall in the T rating. Have an issue with that? Go bother Hideo since it was his idea to drop the violence to make it accessible for younger audiences. Meanwhile, take your bullshit Nationalism elsewhere. --69.225.116.149 05:24, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

WHOA! That NORAD thing really exists?
Shit, I thought that was just some thing Big Boss thought up. I never thought that NORAD actually created some little holiday thing to make kids believe that "they are in contact with Santa Claus". Go figure that Big Boss believed in the program for twenty years. Anyway, thanks for the link. At you least you are a little smart. 72.186.97.84 15:29, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * What's even funnier is that the entire holiday tradition that NORAD created was created completely by accident. Apparently, a local Dime shop in Colorado gave phone numbers to have the children call Santa and find out where he is, but they misprinted the phone numbers: Turns out the phone number for the store was mixed up with NORAD's number. Weedle McHairybug 15:35, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Chico tapes
Ha, I assumed the MH ops were unlocked after completing all the extra ops. I wasn't too bothered about doing them until afterwards anyway. I assume listening to all the tapes will unlock the ZEKE battle too? P.S. Talk on my page if you want to specifically talk to me, so as not to clutter up other user's pages. --Bluerock 20:59, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Whoah, thanks. I will eventually get round to the MH missions at some point. Also, that's a strange way of unlocking that battle with ZEKE, almost seems like a bonus mission rather than part of the plot. The reason I probably seem a bit clueless is because I don't tend to look at walkthroughs until after I've completed the game for myself. I like to try and figure out strategies and such myself. But I doubt I would have even found ZEKE with it being in the most unlikely Extra Op I'd want to play again. --Bluerock 21:28, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Of course I did.
The only briefing tape I didn't manage to unlock was the one involving Miller and Zero. I beat the main story and all of the Monster Hunter missions. 72.186.97.84 22:10, July 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * That question was actually directed towards Bluerock, but I apologize for the confusion. Weedle McHairybug 22:11, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah Yeah!
I know you played both PSP games. Thank you for playing Peace Walker. I liked it myself but a lot of the extra ops missions are hard. I wasn't able to beat all of the extra ops mission. The Peace Walker battle was HARD. The Zeke fights were thankfully more easier. Zadornov escaping six times was HILARIOUS. Thank goodness, Miller and Big Boss aren't in charge of Florence's supermax prison.

Miller: Snake, it uh happened again. The Unabomber escaped. :D

Anyway, I hope you manage to play Rising some day. 72.186.97.84 16:29, July 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, depending on whether I find a place to rent an Xbox 360, I might be able to play Rising. No offense, but I'm not really an Xbox kind of person, or even a Playstation kind of person. I only allowed for PSP as an exception to my strict nintendo-related policy.


 * And I agree with you in regards to the Peace Walker battles (at least Type II and Custom), and it's not even the battle itself that is irritating me as much as trying to get all those AI chips. I mean, either I end up dying before I could even get the chance to get to the Reptile Pod or the Reptile Pod just doesn't have the chips that I desperately need to complete the AI.


 * And at least they tried to remove the most likely cause of his escape (they removed his red hand after his first escape as well as maximizing security), they just failed to take into account that Paz was doing it in time. Weedle McHairybug 18:33, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Why would believe Peace Walker is...
Here's something. Why do they keep calling Peace Walker The Boss. Why don't they just except that she's dead? Didn't Eva already explained why The Boss did what she had to do? Why are they keep throwng it in our faces over and over again? How did that (cough) female Metal Gear prove The Boss's innocence? It's a machine it doesn't feel. It doesn't have a heart. Why don't they just leave it alone?

2, Was Peace Walker being controlled by the real spirit of The Boss when it drowned herself in the lake? Or was it acting on it's own?

Huh?
What does a Cellphone have to do with Peace Walker drowning herself in the lake. I'm talking about The Boss. NOT a cellphone. GOT IT?!


 * When did I mention a Cellphone in regards to Peace Walker's fate? Weedle McHairybug 12:39, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think he was referring to a previous comment about the Codec by IP:70/72. Gekkou25 didn't realize it was a different topic, despite it clearly being under a new section. It was removed anyway, so don't know why he's complaining about it now. --Bluerock 12:47, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

ZEKE's S-mines
You accidently deleted the whole infobox, but I added in the S-mines for you. --Bluerock 20:53, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I really seem to have bad luck with the infoboxes. I mean, several times, I try to click "edit", and yet I either can't access it due to it jumping away, being able to edit it and yet somehow messing up the entire page, or something like this. Weedle McHairybug 21:10, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Infobox Mech needs to be fixed
How exactly are you trying to edit it/change it? It's based on the character/weapon infoboxes so I'm not sure what the problem could be? I always edit in source text so maybe that's why it doesn't happen for me? --Bluerock 05:52, August 23, 2010 (UTC)

Edit comments
Hey Weedle, I noticed that a lot of your edit comments are a bit too long, and so they get cut off, and your whole message can't be seen. Just letting you know. --Bluerock 06:19, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Strangelove
Isn't saying that it "never progressed beyond a one-sided relationship" an assumption. Or was there dialogue to back that up? Also, a close relationship doesn't necessarily mean anything to do with being sexually intimate, as was the case with The Boss and Naked Snake. --Bluerock 00:02, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Solid/Liquid Snake Dominant vs. Recessive.
I understand the inferior and superior, that Liquid misbelived. But, the genetics shoudn't be related to the "inferior and superior" analogy. I'm sure Solid Snake still represents Big Boss's dominant genes. In biology, the dominant gene is the one that is "present" in the phenotype and the recessive is "hidden" in the phenotype. So if Liquid Snake has all of Big Boss's dominant genes, won't Naked Snake in MGS3 have Liquid Snake's features instead of Solid Snake's? Also, Ocelot only says Solid Snake was the "inferior" one, not the recessive one. 71.141.228.12 21:01, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Pro-tip: never try to bring real world genetics into the world of Metal Gear. The game never implies anything more tangible than "recessive = inferior, dominant = superior", so trying to bring real world genetics into the equation simply causes headaches, and we are never given enough information to decode it in any other fashion. The reason Big Boss/Naked Snake in MGS3 looks more like Solid than Liquid is because Kojima wanted to trick people into thinking you were actually playing as a young Solid Snake, and nothing deeper should be read into the matter. --Fantomas 21:59, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * On one MGS forum, a user wrote:
 * On one MGS forum, a user wrote:



Resessive doesn't mean inferior.

Liquid assumed it meant inferior.

Liquid is quite obviously the one with the recessive genes.

Ocelot says Solid Snake was the "inferior" one. NOT the recessive one.

Ignore the novelization, it's non canon.

Solid Snake = Dominant genes, "inferior" clone.

Liquid Snake = Recessive genes, "superior" clone.

...

That there most of the MGS info is TRUE and well explained, except for this one

"

These statements are pretty relevent to me because superior and inferior only represents a typical ranking and has nothing to do with genetics although Liquid has brought up the statement which confused many people, and I don't think Kojima would trick people into thinking they were actually playing as a young Solid Snake. If that's the case, then they wouldn't allow Raiden to be a playable character in the first place. 71.141.228.12 22:24, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

First off, I don't recall EVER using the Novelization when I even mentioned the whole recessive/dominant issue. Second of all, even IF I did, the particular chapter that went in-depth with LET was, at least according to a Kojima Productions Podcast, written with Kojima's direct influence. Thirdly, and the last point: The whole Raiden issue is not really a good example since they DID trick the fanbase into thinking they'd play as Solid Snake (most of the previews had Solid Snake in gameplay areas that Raiden was in, and the one shot of Raiden that was ever shown in any of the trailers was when he was doing the underwater insertion. Heck, Raiden's stance as a playable character was actually classified top secret among the staff, to the extent that not even his voice actor was allowed to talk. Weedle McHairybug 22:46, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Besides the hair color, Liquid Snake and Solid Snake look exactly the same anyway. --Bluerock 12:27, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Permission to edit James Johnson
Could I please edit this page or suggest that we change the image of James Johnson? Kennedy 3421 11:20, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Kennedy 3421

I have been asked Fanatomas but he has not replied and he is on leave. Kennedy 3421 14:06, September 5, 2010 (UTC) Kennedy 3421

I'm not really in authority, sorry. Weedle McHairybug 14:07, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Not yet at least. --72.186.98.237 15:20, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Communists are athiests?
Hmm, never would have guessed. I'm an athiest myself but I'm not Communist and I don't plan to execute religious people. :)


 * Yes, it's indeed true that Communists are generally atheists. Heck, religion is actually illegal in it, at least when Communism first started. I had an Uncle who once went over to Russia for something (Note that this was some time before the Soviet Union collapsed). He asked where he could find a church and eventually a person seemed kind to help him find a church. Unfortunately, that "helpful person" who helped him was actually a KGB agent who was trying to find any churches in the eastern bloc and try the parish and probably execute them. My uncle didn't realize until he saw the people hiding in the church the foolish mistake that he made. Fortunately, he managed to rectify it before things got ugly by saying that it wasn't the church, but still... Weedle McHairybug 22:16, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

So Hayter confirmed that Suzetta Minet is an alias.
Cool. Too bad he refused to reveal her real name to you though. It makes sense that it would be an alias. Konami wouldn't hire a random person to play a major character. I don't think she's Debi Mae West though. It wouldn't make sense for her to use an alias again. 72.186.98.104 19:24, October 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yep, it really wouldn't make sense at all for it to be Debi Mae West, and even IF it did make even the slightest amount of sense, the KP podcast in question already confirmed that Debi Mae West is not Suzetta Minet, and it really wouldn't make sense at all to basically deny your alias to people who pretty much know who you are anyways. Either way, the only remaining suspect is Jodi Benson, and, well, trying to make contact with her especially within the same state is going to be more difficult than I imagined, especially considering how my attempt at priority mail delivery to her house was refused before she even read it. I know she might get a lot of mail anyways, but can't she at least read it first? I also tried to get help in regards to writing the letter before sending it off and, long story short, I got banned from Little Ariel Forums. If you have any ideas on how to make contact with her besides mailing (I'm reluctant to utilize fanmail because I get the feeling that it won't be taken seriously in regards to an interview, since I had a bad experience with stuff like Ask Wario on the old WarioWareInc website where when you place a legitimate question and all you get is just pre-recorded gibberish.), please share them, because I really desire to end this debate once and for all. Whether it's Jodi, West, or anyone else, I don't care, the sooner it ends, the better. It's because of stuff like |this, |this, and |this that I even have this absolute desire to end the debate once and for all and find her identity. There were other questions for my planned interview with Jodi Benson, but right now the whole thing about Suzetta Minet is top priority. Weedle McHairybug 19:52, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Chainsaw
"Let 'er rip," isn't solely an expression used for cutting tools, it could be used to emphasise the release of anything really. But yeah, colloquialisms like that aren't really appropriate for a Wiki article. --Bluerock 12:34, October 8, 2010 (UTC)

Gekkos
I don't think so; when Liquid Ocelot messes around with the System in the first two Acts, the Gekko aren't affected; you'd have thought if they needed the System up for control to function they'd go as nuts as the PMC soldiers do. Regardless, using the past tense comes off as a little weird; after all, Gekko didn't used to be heavily armoured, they are heavily armoured. Evil Tim 17:59, October 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * If you have a problem with tenses with articles, take it to Bluerock, since he's the one who first enforced the policy. Weedle McHairybug 18:01, October 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I can't see any other articles on vehicles in past tense: Shagohod is in present tense, Hind is in present tense, REX and RAY have mixed tenses and probably need sorting out; most of the ones I'm clicking through are either mixed tense or present tense. The history sections should be in past tense, certainly, but Gekko doesn't have a history section. Evil Tim 18:13, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

Shagohod
Just to explain my issues with that line: it was parked in a room full of highly explosive fuel which could be triggered - that's a weakness of the building, not the vehicle itself. It's like saying that it's a weakness of a car that it can be destroyed if you park in in the middle of an oil refinery and then blow the oil refinery up; yeah, the car will be destroyed, but not due to anything that's inherently wrong with the car. Evil Tim 18:53, October 13, 2010 (UTC)

The Ultimate Metal Gear Questions Part 1 and Part 2
Ok wrap your brains around this head cracker. Your going to need a calculator for this one to get this one right. How many cutscenes are there in MGS1 MGS2 MGS3 MGS4 MGSPO MGSPW. Now add them all up and tell me the total amount of cutscnes in all six main stortyline series. the remakes and non-canon don't count.

Part 2. Seeing how the big name game companies are doing reboots of their franchise. Bishock Infinite Medal of Honor and Castlevania Lords of Shadow.

My question is will Hideo Kojima do the same thing? A reboot to the Metal Gear series? I've seen the trailer to Capcom reboot of the Devil May Cry series.

New look new game engine new Dante.


 * Before I attempt the first question, I might as well ask this: Do codec/radio conversations in those games count as cutscenes?


 * As for your second question, define "reboot." Do you mean remake or just a new game? Weedle McHairybug 02:23, October 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * No they don't count. Only the cutscenes. and the reboot means a redo the whole thing. In other words a different Metal Gear series not set in the main story lines or the non-canon stories. Just like Bioshock Infinite.
 * In that case, Metal Gear Solid 1 is about...
 * Submarine launching SDV, Liquid telling the soldiers to stay alert, Snake boarding the elevator/Title Flash, Snake getting out of the elevator, Snake noticing a Hind D, Snake eavesdropping on the guards in the ducts*, Finding Decoy Octopus/Donald Anderson, Meryl ambushes Snake, Meryl flees/Psycho Mantis mindcross, Meeting Ocelot and Baker, Brief encounter with the Ninja, Baker explains, Vulcan Raven meets Snake in an Abrams, Raven talks with Liquid and Ocelot, Snake encounters the Ninja and Otacon, Ninja's identity revealed, Otacon meeting, Meeting Meryl in the bathroom, Meryl possessed, Psycho Mantis introduction, Mantis Death, Sniper Wolf shoots Meryl, Snake captured, Snake meets Liquid/beginning of torture sequence, Discovering Donald Anderson's corpse, Snake Flashback, Hind D arrives, Snake meets Otacon at Communication Tower B, Snake faces Hind, Hind destroyed, Sniper Wolf's death/Otacon's grief, Meeting Vulcan Raven again, Vulcan Raven's death, Liquid and Ocelot's conversation, Ocelot shoots the pal key out of Snake's hand, Snake entering PAL Key number 1, Snake entering PAL Key number 2, Snake activating Metal Gear REX, Snake confronting Liquid, Gray Fox to the rescue, Gray Fox's final words, Metal Gear REX deactivated, Liquid's speech, Meryl Lives/Meryl Dies, leaving for the door next to the door on the left, Liquid Dies, Ending.
 * 47 cutscenes/cinematics, not counting codecs.
 * 47 cutscenes/cinematics, not counting codecs.

Keep in mind that I'm most likely going to answer your first question in multiple parts, as I need to review youtube videos on the cutscenes themselves before I can actually tally them together.

* Note: Demo Theater does not count this as a cutscene, at least on the Youtube video I saw of the cutscenes. Weedle McHairybug 03:46, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

all right i must ask how do i add a walkthough to the website.

Mgs4raiden 00:29, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * All I know is that you need to create a new link and do the best to create a walkthrough like any other article, maybe even do it on your user page. Other than that, Fantomas or Richard101 are better people to ask. Weedle McHairybug 00:34, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * ok so portable ops sounds better. and see this http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.blogcdn.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2008/01/mgs4-nut-grab.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/03/rumorang-mgs4-exclusive-to-ps3-no-plans-for-xbox-version/&usg=__l8Ma3yKFUmGz8DqbEZqstK074G8=&h=337&w=490&sz=56&hl=en&start=26&zoom=1&tbnid=V9DyU9KM-E2OQM:&tbnh=89&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmgs%2Bfunny%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Dactive%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1099%26bih%3D436%26tbs%3Disch:10%2C528&um=1&itbs=1&ei=y6K_TMzbPIWycdDN5PoN&biw=1099&bih=436
 * Just out of curiousity, is there a reason why you wanted me to see this? Weedle McHairybug 02:22, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

thanks
yeah i was clueless i've beat 4 like 6 times and ive been playing the games for as long as i can remember. would you recomened getting portable ops or peace walker.


 * If you like recruiting soldiers, sure. Might as well warn you, though, that Portable Ops may require a little bit of dragging excercises to get soldiers back into a truck, and with Peace Walker, sometimes getting certain codenames or weapons/item blueprints will turn out to be a great big pain in the butt. Be prepared for several twists, BTW. Weedle McHairybug 01:15, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * im all right with recruiting soldiers but peace walker sounds good as well how anoying are these codenames as anoying as the dog tags were.
 * I'd probably say even more annoying. To put it simply, you have to do, redo, and repeat several missions to get a codename by meeting the specified requirements (IE, whether you used weapons lethally or non-lethally, which weapon range, and which type of gameplay [ie, single player or co-ops] did you choose.), and there is no way to visibly gauge weapons usage. Also, are you comfortable playing Co-ops? Because in order to unlock everything, you're definitely going to need to do Co-ops. Weedle McHairybug 01:58, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

have you ever done this
i was playing 4 on hard the other day and killed raging raven in 2 shots. and also do you know a good way to get the bandanna.

Mgs4raiden 02:29, October 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Can't say I have, in response to your first remark. As a matter of fact, I haven't even played Metal Gear Solid 4.


 * As for the second question, I kinda responded to your blog that asked the same question. Weedle McHairybug 02:35, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * one time when my mate was playing mgs 3 he killed the end and he exploded and the wheelchair wheel flew and hit my mate in the head and sent him to the last area.Mgs4raiden 02:45, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

Wow
Wow. I'm impressed. So have any of you figured out many cutscenes there are? And how many in total of all six games? No? Well what are you waiting for? I told you it's a real head cracker. Although someone already said MGS1 has 47 Cutscenes. Now you've got five more games to go. So hop to it already.

What?
WHAT?! You haven't finished yet? Sheesh. This is sad. I'm speechless. What about you Weedle McHairybug? What a name. Anyway. Do you have the answer to the ultimate Metal Gear Question? No? Too bad. I thought someone would be able to figure this out. I guess not.

Shouldn't you post your question to the forums? This is only ONE user's talk page; nobody else is likely to even see it here. --Bluerock 20:50, October 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey, I'm trying to get you the answers. Today I'll do Metal Gear Solid 2's cutscenes (not counting codec calls, as you specified). Honestly, I'm also focused on trying to do well in college. Anyways, here are the cutscenes:

Tanker Chapter:

Opening narration/jumping off George Washington Bridge onto Discovery, description of mission (non-codec), identifying the Marines/ominous feelings/Russian soldiers appear, the Russian leader appears/Snake snaps his picture, Snake identifies the Kasatka, Snake enters the control room, Snake investigates noise, Olga argues with father/Olga introduction, Olga's defeat/Cipher taking picture of Snake, Gurlukovich Mercenaries status report/discovering Snake, Snake enters hold/Ocelot kills surviving Gurlukovich soldier, Snake finds the Marines/Snake reports status, Uploading photos, Snake finishes uploading photos in time for the Commandant to finish his speech, Ocelot and Gurlukovich ambushes Commandant, Ocelot betrays Gurlukovich and kills both the Commandant and Gurlukovich, Ocelot detonates the SEMTEX/Ocelot transforms into Liquid Ocelot, Ship sinks/Ocelot escapes with RAY and reports to the president about the success of the mission.

Tanker chapter completed, I'll continue with the Big Shell chapter soon. Also, unlike before, the youtube source that I'm using is not going to use Demo Theater, so I'm just going to stick with the cutscenes as how they appear with sequence breaks, and CODEC conversations obviously will count as sequence breaks. Weedle McHairybug 21:35, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Well do you want a straight answer cliche one? Nevermind. Why not post it on a forum? My cliche answer is where's the fun in that? Beside I seeing you guys suffer... I mean I thought I would be nice to see if any of you could answer this question. Seeing how most of you are knowledgeable on the Metal Gear series. I thought I test that. You didn't here suffering part did you?


 * Well, getting to the Big Shell chapter (also, technically, I never heard "suffering", since you can't hear written words/typed words, but I did read them.)


 * Briefing Mission/Underwater Insertion/Marine Choppers, Entering Big Shell deep sea dock, explaination on Skull Suit, Raiden opening door, Raiden witnessing Gurlukovich Soldier waking up, Raiden witnessing a mysterious intruder unloading the bodies from the cargo elevator.
 * Your doing great although you could have just told me how many cutscenes there are in number form. You really didn't have give the title of the cutscenes just the number itself. Your originally suppose to count how many cutscenes there are in number form but what your doing now works too so keep it up.
 * Thanks, but could you have please tried to wait until I was actually done trying to finish it?! I mean, thanks to responding before I could finish it as well as the current problem with the scrolling aspect of checking edits, I couldn't just copy what I had and repaste it. Weedle McHairybug 02:53, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't worry friend I have confidence in your job of answering my Ultimate Metal Gear Question. In which seems everyone else has already given up. Weakling. But you. Your actually trying to answering it. I like that well keep going you've only got four more games to go. then add the total amount of cutscnenes in all. And then you finally solved the ultimate question.
 * Ok, I'll also give some warning as to when I'm going to be researching cutscenes with the intention of not repeating what happened last time. Also, just one final question: When it comes to games like Peace Walker or especially Portable Ops, do both the graphic novel cutscenes and the CGI/gameplay cutscenes count, or does it have to be one or the other? I just need to know, that's all. Weedle McHairybug 22:58, October 29, 2010 (UTC) (Sighs) Let me repeat myself just so we can understand each other. So...CLEAN OUT YOU EARS! Your mission is to find out ho many cutscenes there are in the Metal Gear series that includes all cutscenes period. Push the start button to bring the selection menu to save your data. And complete the task without delay.
 * Move on to mission number 21.
 * Move on to mission number 21.

Come now
Come now surely one among you can finish the Ultimate Metal Gear question. I didn't think it take this long. Oh well.


 * I'll be sure to finish up the Plant Chapter as well as the rest of the Metal Gear games, but it will probably be during Winter Break/Christmas break, since that's pretty much the only time in the near future where I don't have to focus on College-related work. Trust me, trying to analyze several cutscenes is going to take a very, very long time, and with Metal Gear Solid 2, 3, 4, and especially Portable Ops, I don't even have the luxury of a Demo Theater. I mean, I had to take several hours, almost to midnight, from three o'clock PM just to record all the cutscenes down and watching Youtube videos of the cutscenes at the same time, and I couldn't even implement them before my attempt at posting ended up with a posting conflict. Even then, I can't say with absolute certainty that I'll get the entire Metal Gear Saga cutscenes count done before Winter Break ends. Weedle McHairybug 20:43, November 6, 2010 (UTC)

??????
Weedle McHairybug are you receiving this? We're still here. We are formless. We've taken control Metal Gear Wikipedia as the base of our operations. Our goal is internet manipulation. We are conducting our experiment regarding Mission 21 also known as UMG. Many believe we are dead. You can't kill evolution. We've simply transfer to another System. You've already been in contact with our agent(G25) his orders were to convince you to conduct our experiment. Solve the equation that's been placed infront of you. Complete Mission 21 your our special monster. Complete your purpose.


 * All right, fine. Just please don't make any posts until I accomplish it, since I don't want a repeat of what happened last time. Weedle McHairybug 23:53, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Post what? I haven't talk to you in two to three hours. I think you need some rest.
 * Actually, you did post something some time before the two-to-three hours. At least, the edit history page suggested that you did. But, yeah, you're right, I might as well get some rest. Besides, I have to focus on learning how to do Origami for a Japan Club setting tomorrow at 1-3 PM, write an analysis on Animal Farm by the Monday of Thanksgiving break for English Composition, prepare for a Japanese class oral self-introduction on November 18th as my final homework assignment, do a Japanese skit, study for an upcoming Kanji quiz, work on a movie review for English Composition II, do the Homework problems on Chapters 10 and 11 for statistics, and study for my fourth test on Statistics (which is going to be done after Thanksgiving break), not to mention my final exams in those courses and any other activities that I have to meet Japan club with. In other words, until after 10:30AM of December 9th or sooner, which is the endtime of my final final exam and when I get out depends heavily on when I finish, I'm pretty much going to be very busy and probably won't have enough time. Weedle McHairybug 00:42, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah no. I don't you it was me. I believe it was (Them) that contacted you. not me.
 * I suggest you read up on the history section, because I defintely see your name on that posting, Gekkou25. BTW, just out of curiousity, is there a reason why you don't wish to do it yourself? Just asking. Weedle McHairybug 01:22, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah no. I don't you it was me. I believe it was (Them) that contacted you. not me.
 * I suggest you read up on the history section, because I defintely see your name on that posting, Gekkou25. BTW, just out of curiousity, is there a reason why you don't wish to do it yourself? Just asking. Weedle McHairybug 01:22, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Those are spam bots.
No point in trying to talk to them.

http://metalgear.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Solid_Snake&diff=prev&oldid=80923

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/User:StickManLegend

Here's another UMG question.
Here's another Ultimate Metal Gear. Why is it that nobody not ever game magazine companies or Youtube users never complain or say anything bad about the game? What I mean is not game is absolute perfect. Fans believe Metal Gear franchise is the greatest game series since Jesus Christ was born. Metal Gear series are great games but not perfect. No game I know is 100% perfect that is nothing wrong with them. The Metal Gear does have flaws and plot holes. And I think they worship Kojima a little too much. He's not a god but a person. Some gamers find the MGS series highly overrated and shouldn't be placed above every other game out there.

And I can agree with them. But nobody have the nerve to say nothing about.

What are people afraid for their lives? If they say one not so good thing about Metal Gear games saying their not perfect they'll be hunted down by the god worshiping hardcore MGS fanboys who will send death threats and hate mail? Saying they will hunt them down and have them raped or killed in some alleyway?

Does anyone agree on what I'm saying?

Oh come on now nobody on this board doesn't agree with me? YOU BUNCH OF COWARDS!

GROW A SPINE MOST OF YOU. Metal Gear is not the greastest gift since Jesus Christ. What?

YOU AFRAID TO SPEAK YOUR MIND? You too Weedle McHairybug? Are you just another Hardcore MGS fanboy? TOO AFRAID TO SAY NOTHING BAD ABOUT METAL GEAR? COWARDS! SPINELESS JACKELS ALL OF YOU! I'VE LOST RESPECT FOR ALL OF YOU! IF YOU WORSHIP THIS GAME SO MUCH THEN GO MARRY HIDEO KOJIMA! Just remember Kojima is not a GOD. He is a man. A mortal man. And when he dies. YOU CAN ALL DIE WITH HIM! I DON'T CARE ANYMORE. BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU WANT.

I'm done with this.


 * I didn't respond to you at first because I'm visiting family. And to answer your question, I have complained a bit about Peace Walker, namely about how poorly written Paz's speech was (Big Boss didn't seem to recognize the whole back story part, even though he should recognize it since he was one of those two people), the odd lack of mention of the LET, as well as some issues about fans trying to claim that Portable Ops is non-canon just because it was barely really mentioned. I also complained a bit on the ambiguity of Miller's phone call specifically because it was ambiguous. Weedle McHairybug 03:23, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh well thanks. Forget what I said before. The problem is that people are afriad to speak up against Metal Gear. Since the rule is nobody ever say nothing bad about Metal Gear. If there's one thing I know that you say something bad about the Metal Gear franchise the bias hardcore MGS Fanboys will send you nothing but hate mail and death threats. Next to Michael Jackson fans MGS Fans comes in second. Well that and Halo fans. But you get the point.
 * Hey Gekkou, if you want anyone else to even SEE your questions, you need to post them in the forums. This is specifically Weedle's talk page. I mentioned it before, but you didn't seem to understand. And your little angry outburst sounded quite pathetic, to be frank. Have you been the subject of hatemail recently or are you just annoyed that no one saw your question here, where it wouldn't be noticed anyway? --Bluerock 12:24, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Gekkou, if you want anyone else to even SEE your questions, you need to post them in the forums. This is specifically Weedle's talk page. I mentioned it before, but you didn't seem to understand. And your little angry outburst sounded quite pathetic, to be frank. Have you been the subject of hatemail recently or are you just annoyed that no one saw your question here, where it wouldn't be noticed anyway? --Bluerock 12:24, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

SOP
What are you talking about? Since when has taking prisoners or increasing numbers of refugees and war orphans been specifically related to human rights abuses? They are the logical results of every single war in history.

Of course all of Liquid's PMCs were under SOP control. That's why he needed to hijack it in the first place, in order to launch an insurrection. Not all fighting groups were under SOP control though, so it's not really a surprise that child soldiers would be used by some of them. SOP led to a dramatic decline in abuses, it did not eradicate the problem. --Bluerock 12:12, November 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Metal Gear Solid 2 implied that the use of Child Soldiers were actually supposed to be banned under International law (of course, given Raiden and Gray Fox's existance, International law doesn't seem to matter squat), hence why I thought it was a human rights violation. The prisoners thing was because of Nazism. If they wanted to decrease it dramatically, wouldn't they at least decrease the Child Soldier use, though? Also, didn't Naomi imply that they intended to expand the SOP system of control over the civilian population? Why would they do that if they hadn't even finished implementing that level of control over every single member of the military? Weedle McHairybug 14:04, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Use of child soldiers is illegal. But who said the SOP-controlled PMCs were using them? The only thing that Campbell says is that they are getting younger, implying that the war orphans and child soldiers, created by fanning the flames of war, go on to join the PMC businesses, similar the the members of the Paradise Lost Army. And I don't understand your last question: SOP had been adopted by state militaries and some PMCs, not every single combatant in existence. The rebel goups in the Middle East and South America show that. --Bluerock 15:31, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

He hasn't actually played MGS4 or MGS2 so his edits tend to not make any sense. --70.127.202.196 13:24, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wasn't it implied that the Patriots had other methods of control besides SOP, though, such as the Gun Launderers (I know Drebin implied in his drunken confession that the Gun Launderers, or at least Drebin himself, was actually allowed by the Patriots to do this activity, with their cover jobs having absolutely no part in it)? The Rebel Soldiers in South America were shown to have originally been part of the SOP system, though. And as for the Middle Eastern Militia, I'm pretty sure they at the very least had Nanomachines, going by the Beauty and the Beast Unit ambush cutscene where Screaming Mantis was controlling one of the militia soldiers with puppeteer strings, something that would not have been possible if they didn't have nanomachines. I also recall Solid Snake reacting in a similar manner to the Rat Patrol 1 and Praying Mantis Groups when Liquid Ocelot caused a lockdown in Liquid Sun, even though he was not under SOP control, unless the nanomachines that Drebin injected into him earlier briefly put him into the SOP system. Anyways, I did watch the cutscenes, at least. Weedle McHairybug 13:36, November 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * The South American rebels were the government soldiers of the former regime of the country, before they took up arms. The reason that some of the Middle Eastern militia combatiants have nanomachines is because the militia had hired local PMCs, and those PMC soldiers have nanomachines inside them, too (hence possibly be part of the SOP). As for Solid Snake, he already had nanomachines (first-generation nanomachines) injected into him during the Shadow Moses Incident in 2005. - Marcuarelix


 * Watching the cutscenes is not the same thing as actually playing the games. Almost all of the Metal Gear games feature COUNTLESS optional codec conversations or briefing files which reveal important plot information. The only exception is Metal Gear, which only mentions information on items and how to defeat bosses. The information on the rebels and militia combatatants is revealed in optional codec conversations in MGS4, not in cutscenes.--72.186.99.227 15:49, November 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * To be fair, non-players do sometimes see things which regular players might miss, having become accustomed to them, though some of the context can be lost without experience of the gameplay. --Bluerock 15:57, November 28, 2010 (UTC)