Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-1504072-20130423225415/@comment-65.211.97.242-20131004133819

Weedle McHairybug wrote: 90.214.222.116 wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote: SirOnion wrote: Peacewalker was created to essentially replace Portable Ops in every way. I'm not saying this was a good decision, but I think we all know Kojima's thoughts on the process: "San Hierymino crap". Hideo's made it impossible for both games to coexist so he chose Peacewalker. Fine by me, but I'm not saying PO wasn't a good game. No, actually, if Kojima wanted to disown MPO or had hated it, he would have done so publicly, explicitly, and without any ambiguity on the matter. Think how he treated the NES version of Metal Gear, for example: He constantly treats it like dirt, makes it blatant in pretty much every interview how he hated that game, not even caring if he offended the people who made the game in the first place. And for the record, Portable Ops wasn't "replaced" by Peace Walker, as they still had a good three to four year difference in terms of plot. If he wanted to replace it with PW, the very FIRST thing he would have done is make sure that they both occurred at exactly the same date (ie, Peace Walker taking place in November 1, 1970, not November 4, 1974). That's what he did with Snake's Revenge and Metal Gear 2 (which probably explains why they constantly referred to the date in-game as being three years after Metal Gear despite other sources, including the manual, stating that it was four years afterwards). Besides, even Kojima stated that Portable Ops occurred canonically in a podcast released shortly after Peace Walker's release, and at least until the official site took down the saga interactive timeline itself, it still retained Portable Ops as part of the timeline. Stop thinking you know what Kojma would do, you dont even know the guy. Theres no reason why he would have disowned the game publicly when his company had previously advertised it as an important missing link in the story and 'integral to understanding MGS4' (which it wasnt). MPO's importance changed when Kojima made Peace Walker, his own 'missing link' after which MPO was replaced and brushed under the carpet like it never happened - "Finally we can leave all that crap in San Heironymo behind". Kojima HAS disowned it for all intents and purposes, whether you like it or not. No one cares about there being stills in MGS4, its not like hes going to go back and remove those considering the work involved. The fact of the matter is, while some consider it technically canon, the fact Kojima is doing his utmost to pretend it didnt happen means we should all do the same - the saga certainly makes more sense minus MPO considering there are so many inconsistences between it and PW.

1. Kojima stated in a podcast that Portable Ops happened, and the podcast in question occurred after the release of Peace Walker. If Kojima truly wanted to ensure Peace Walker was non-canon, pretend or not, he would NOT have stated it happened in an official podcast.

2. I don't need to know him personally to know what he would do: He already did exactly what I described what he'dl do to Peace Walker in that regard, with the NES version of Metal Gear where, to the expense of the guys who worked hard to follow through with the creation of the NES version, he repaid their efforts by complaining about the final result and at least twice making it clear he hated the game. Again, if he hated Peace Walker enough to want to disown it, he would have done it exactly like what he did with the NES version of Metal Gear, the only game that's been confirmed to have been completely disowned by him. Besides, you don't know Kojima either, so by your argument, you shouldn't act like he disowned Portable Ops.

3. Considering that he actually told his own staff members to wait on the development of MGS4 until Portable Ops' storyline was finished (which can be proven by MGS4 being released two years after MPO despite being announced around the same time), its not an advertizing ploy. Advertizing ploys are closer to used car dealership scams, where they say something about a product that turns out to be a complete lie. That would actually be very bad for business and if it backfired would have resulted in the bankruptcy of the company.

I know you, Alexg1989, from GameFAQs hated Portable Ops, but unless Kojima EXPLICITLY stated, in an interview with Kojima Productions or anyone else, that MPO is non-canon, and goes as far as to completely redo MGS4 just to ensure no references to MPO exist at all, MPO is still canon. Let's not forget Hot Coldman is confirmed in Peace Walker to be the man who planned the Boss's death. Gene mentioned him in Portable Ops. As for the stills, they matter. Kojima didn't put stills of Ghost Babel or Acid. Why put stills of a non-canon game in an important cutscene that reveals how the Patriots were formed?