Talk:James Johnson

Johnson had nothing to do with the Tanker Incident
Sorry to disappoint you. Cheers! 70.127.202.78 11:52, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

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 * I agree, he wasn't directly involved, he was simply a pawn. I never suggested he was responsible for the theft. Also, the US President is often called "Mr President" in real life, even Solidus is called this by Ocelot in MGS1. --Bluerock 12:46, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know that. I live in Florida. And yes, you are suggesting he was the guy Ocelot was talking to. He was not. He was talking to The Patriots. It is made perfectly clear that Johnson was not involved when he talked to Raiden. If it wasn't Zero, it was another member of The Patriots. That much is certain.--70.127.202.78 13:43, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry to butt-in, but I have an opinion about this too. Actually in the game and database, it is never specified who Ocelot was talking to. And obviously in isn`t "perfectly clear", or we wouldn't have this discussion. Now I personally believe that it is made intentionally unclear who he is refering to. But even though James Johnson was a pawn (and so was George Sears, and he orchestrated the Shadow Moses Incident and the Big Shell Incident), when Ocelot talked to "Mr President", it's possible that he may have been talking to the President (James Johnson). Besides, Johnson may have been following the Patriot's orders during the Tanker Incident. - Marcaurelix
 * It's not made clear that it's Johnson either. He never says that he was involved in the theft of Metal Gear Ray. All he says is that it was Ocelot who stole it. --70.127.202.78 14:22, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's why I left the trivia section ambigous and neutral. Due to the ambigousity of the game in general. Can you stop making insinuations about who stole the Metal Gear. BTW, our edit war is pointless. - Marcaurelix
 * Can you please stop complaining and move on. --70.127.202.78 14:32, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Now I seriously doubt that Ocelot was talking to Zero. - Marcaurelix
 * And I seriously don't care what you think. It's either him or another member of The Patriots. Zero was the head of The Patriots and The Patriots were the ones who ruled the country, hence, Mister President. But I was kind enough to accept your version too. --70.127.202.78 14:32, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I will concede that there was a posibility that he was talking to the Patriots themselves. Now, you were kind enough about what? When Ocelot was talking to a Mr. President, there is a slight posibility that he was talking to the Mr. President himself. Not only that, but the most obvious person to consider in that moment would be President Johnson himself. In fact, there is no evidence to the contrary. All you have are speculations. - Marcaurelix
 * Just out of interest, why don't you think he's actually reporting to Johnson? Is it due to the retcon of Ocelot being a founding member? --Bluerock 14:49, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Simple, the game and MGS4 database never state or imply that Johnson was involved in the Tanker incident but it is shown that The Patriots were the ones involved. As Johnson said, The Patriots were the ones who really ruled the country so it makes sense for Ocelot to call the person on the radio, "Mister President". --70.127.202.78 14:56, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * He was talking to the Patriots. But it is unknown if it was directly or through the President (as like Mr. President). I'm just saying that you should discard the posibility that he was talking to Johnson, probably under the Patriot's orders. - Marcaurelix
 * And I'm saying that you shouldn't discard the possibility that it was Zero, one of the AIs or some other guy. By the way, are you French? --70.127.202.78 15:11, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you meant "you shouldn't discard". And I don't. That's why I left it ambigous. That's why I say I don't know. BTW, I'm a Spaniard. - Marcaurelix
 * I think you meant the same thing too. Also, I'm Puerto Rican myself. --70.127.202.78 15:29, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Zero was in hiding at the time. It couldn't have been him. It had to be one of the AIs. They had the ability to talk like humans as we saw at the end of Sons of Liberty. --Refan33 15:33, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, the game heavily suggests it is the US President, the conversation is meant to be similar to the one Ocelot had with the President at the end of MGS1, only this time around it is Johnson. He isn't named because he hadn't even been introduced at that point in the plot. Later retcons do not change anything about this conversation. Johnson was a willing servant of the Patriots at the time, so it is logical that those doing the Patriot's bidding report to him (their head pawn). Ocelot was a founding member, but he obviously has no say in the organization, since its now run by the AIs.
 * Since the conversation was a relatively minor thing within the whole of the Tanker Incident, I'm not surprised the database chose not to mention it; it's no true encyclopedia by any stretch, as we well know. --Bluerock 17:55, May 25, 2010 (UTC)