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1.64.177.239 wrote: I agree with you. I'd say, if Kojima intended to portrait how Big Boss became Skull Face's kind, ultimately, we will see a lot of similarities between the two characters, leading people to think "hey Big Boss is actually Skull Face" or "hey so and so is actually faking as Big Boss", etc.



I must say many times, people are forcing facts into theory, instead of creating theories based on proven facts, and when I say proven facts, it means information from previous games (e.g. Big Boss said to Snake "you eraised me two times before [the MGS4 ending]", not bits and pieces shown in trailers (although trailers have some credibility too but it can be misleading).



By the end of MGS4, Big Boss made clear that he made mistakes in his life (which, in that context, I believe is way more than just killing The Boss), and this Evolution trailer's time tunnel scene pretty much shows his transition from a young Jack to the fallen Big Boss (Btw the young Jack looks so cool!). From day 1, Kojima (of course unless he purposely lies) stated that the game tells how Big Boss becomes the demon, it is only natural that we see so many similarities across several characters.



Now on the leaks, I don't speak Italiano and haven't read through every bits of it to draw a reliable conclusion, but I would like to point out some facts



(1) the art works showing Big Boss with limbs may just be an early concept art, and as some already pointed out, early images showing Big Boss in the FOX Engine had his left arm with him, so art work may just be showing early concepts. What's more, art work also allows a larger degree of freedom in terms of interpretation -- and I am talking about the MGS1 Miller art work, which, there was certainly a full body there, but since the announcement of the TPP Miller, such picture was quickly interpreted as Liquid impersonating Miller (at least in this Wikia).



(2) the medic being a fake Big Boss is somewhat I still don't believe (In fact I still think the TPP character we play as is Big Boss himself). Most people out there are saying that both the medic, Ishmael and Big Boss share the same / similar voice, and therefore there is a strong chance that medic is the "Big Boss" we are playing as, whereas the real Big Boss is actually Ishmael (side tracking - and in the process no one say that Big Boss = Ishmael contradicts with the Big Boss = Skull Face theory). The loop hole to this theory is that we are basing our theories mostly if not entirely on the English voice actors, but neglected the equally important Japanese cast. If you listen carefully to the Japanese medic, it is a much younger voice than that of the Big Boss. If indeed it is so important to make the medic sound like Big Boss, why don't they do the same for the Japanese version too? Besides, the medic himself has his own memory and choices too. It's not like Big Boss yell "hey you have to be my fake now" and the medic has no choice but to follow. Also if the medic is so important to Big Boss as the leaked guide said, he should have been mentioned / seen in least in PW.



(3) Big Boss = Ishmael was said to be possible due to the glass eye. I find this agreeable but still, it feels like forcing facts together to fit into what we want things to be. Also, Big Boss himself is the legendary soldier, not the medic or whoever that imposter is (at least up till this point he isn't said to be so). If the imposter is so much better than Big Boss, why don't they have this person replaces Big Boss anyway?



So the leak does not do much other than bringing more speculations, although I agree that the guide book does look like a genuinely published material. There are more on other characters in the leaked guide that worth discussion, but I think I will leave it here for now. In any case, we are just days to getting the game, I am ready to find out what happened and be prepared that the leak is indeed telling the truth. Only I will be disappointed that Kojima would cheapen the MGS4 reconciliation between the remaining characters in doing so. <p class="MsoNoSpacing"> I agree with pretty much everything you stated, and am holding onto the possibility that the there is some misleading and fakery going on in these leaks. If everything turns out true, then MGSV will cheapen a lot of things. The special moments we see in the game, like Boss taking a selfie with Ocelot, Quiet lighting his cigar with her sniper rifle, DD licking Boss's face, and Boss rocket punching people with his prosthetic arm, all of that would be stripped from Boss's character for the sake of a M Night Shyamalan surprise twist.

Weedle McHairybug wrote:

1.64.177.239 wrote:

Weedle McHairybug wrote: ^Don't forget the screencaps, especially the bit about Snake and Ocelot near the motorbike after Mission 46, and the leaked ending timeline. Sorry I missed these, where can I find them? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=176512519&postcount=3508 http://i.imgur.com/bhqltGm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/PKk8X1X.jpg Not sure about that first image, as it's possible Big Boss has the horn and prosthetic arm removed (we don't see or hear about them in the original MSX games).

The last image could easily be faked. Maybe it isn't, but I'm not accepting these leaks as irrefutable proof until sources outside Neogaf and reddit can back them up.