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Actually, Metal Gear was most influenced by Guns of Navarone and The Great Escape, none of which were directed by Kubrick.

And also, I never said Huey was Otacon, just that it may have been obvious that he was related to him (and for the record, technically, early production materials for MGS implied that Otacon was in fact born in the 1970s). Kazuhira Miller, however, had not only a completely different backstory from Master Miller, but also a different name from him. For all we know, that could have easily just been Master Miller's father before Kojima opened his big fat mouth about it. And do I really need to remind you that in Metal Gear Solid, "Master Miller" was being impersonated by Liquid Snake who was LITERALLY the same age as Solid Snake? That's not going to be a very good example in any case. In fact, considering that, Master Miller would more likely look the same age as Solid Snake at least, certainly not be the same age as Solid Snake. Besides, if the reason he revealed Miller being the same as Master Miller was just stating the obvious, he wouldn't have any problem revealing that with Eli and Liquid Snake, especially when we don't actually have any revelations in-game that Master Miller and Kazuhira Miller are the same person until the second ending timeline, where it mentioned he was offed by an unidentified assassin in 2005 and thus revealing that before the game's release, obvious or not, IS a spoiler.

And that's EXACTLY what I meant by meant by LET being mentioned in Ground Zeroes on the ending timeline as being a major spoiler: It gave the hint that LET would play a major role in The Phantom Pain. If Kojima as you said wanted to avoid any hints that TPP would play a major role in the story by avoiding mentioning the connection between Eli and Liquid Snake for spoiler-related reasons, the same would be said regarding even MENTIONING LET on the timeline at all (especially when in this particular case, they actually gave new information about LET, specifically that it ended in 1976).

Maybe not, but the novelization of Metal Gear Solid did have Solid Snake being constantly referenced to have practically lived in the military since he was a kid, something that the original game and even Peace Walker to a lesser extent implied, and Snake didn't even know about the Patriots, unlike Liquid. And if Solid Snake got that, it's pretty clear Liquid would have gotten the same as well.

I know he mentioned in a few articles that he planned on doing a MGS2-style plot twist, expressing interest in it. It was I think back in November of 2012, just before the unveilment of The Phantom Pain IP. It was even talk on GameFAQs at the time (although good luck trying to find the topics, because GameFAQs when they redid everything after GDC2013 to match up with The Phantom Pain decided to erase the original Phantom Pain boards). And BTW, when asked repeatedly about whether The Phantom Pain was his property, he denied it, and he also denied that Project Ogre was actually related to Metal Gear at all (both revealed to be lies, BTW).

And BTW, Jackals are what Liquid Snake hunted in the Middle East, NOT Africa (the latter of which was clearly the setting where Eli met and fought Venom Snake), and based on the language in the TGS Demo, it would have to be in Central or even the tip of Africa due to the presence of Dutch throughout. And need I really point out that IMDB can be edited by anyone? Until we have actual official sources stating who Eli's voice actor is, we really don't have much to go on.

And BTW, Ocelot working for the enemy was only a true plot twist in MGS1. In MGS2 and MGS3, it was painfully obvious he was working for them (for goodness sakes, Ocelot mentioned he was working for the Patriots in the Tanker Chapter's ending, meaning it was clear he was working for them in the Plant Chapter long before the reveal. As far as MGS3, again, Tanker Chapter had him mentioning that he was working for the Americans against the Russians since the Cold War).

If he was actually capable of keeping things in the dark, he would have kept Ocelot and Naked Snake's identities, not to mention Huey and Kazuhira Miller's identities secret before release, not flat out reveal it. Heck, he wouldn't even tease anything at all. I know I wouldn't. No trailers, no promotional materials, nothing, just focus on creating the game, preventing any leaks of plot and characters at all, and then releasing it.

Actually, Kojima has said that Bond films had the greatest overall influence on the franchise. Look up "Hideo Kojima at the Movies: 007". In terms of a single director, Kubrick was Kojima's biggest inspiration. This is evident in his list of 15 favorite films, as well as the number of Kubrick references throughout the franchise.

I hadn't accused you of saying Huey was Otacon, but you kept bringing Huey up as though it would've been some big mystery had Kojima not confirmed his identity. Even taking into account Otacon being born in the 70s, Huey clearly was too old to be Otacon in 1974. Aside from that, Otacon's father was mentioned several times in the games. So it's not like the possibility of seeing Huey in a game came out of left field.

Master Miller was retconned before MGS1, and retconned again after Peace Walker (losing an arm and leg was never implied in his original backstory). But that's somewhat irrelevant to the discussion. No, you don't need to remind me, though you seem adamant in doing so. I had already consider Liquid's impersonation of Miller. The Codec convos in MGS1 occurred over grainy, low quality video. Add to that Solid hadn't seen Miller in forever, and it's understandable how could've been fooled. Miller was an instructor to Solid when he was younger, so it's unlikely they would be or look the same age. Miller would have been 49 during Shadow Moses. Which seems old, but not everyone ages the same. Ricardo Montalban was over 60 when he played Khan in Wrath of Khan, and he was in really good shape.

If you have to play Peace Walker to find out Kaz was assassinated in 2005, that's not a spoiler. Had Kojima mentioned that end dialogue on Twitter, that'd be almost spoilery. As stated before, there was evidence that Kaz was Master Miller, and more importantly, Kaz is not central to the plot like the clones are. Spoiler or no, it's trivial in comparison.

What major role did Ground Zeroes say LET would play? You're being rather vague. It was already well established before GZ that the cloning took place in the 70s. Confirming that LET ended in 1976 tells us nothing about the clone's involvement in the events of Phantom Pain. LET has always been mentioned in the games, and that is to be expected for fans. What is not expected, and would potentially ruin some surprise, is if Kojima said Liquid, Solid, and Solidus are going to be in the game.

The Metal Gear Solid novel is a bad comparison, as it's not canon and not written with Kojima's involvement. The Wikia's for Solid, Liquid, and Solidus, give no details regarding military schooling. Therefore it is not pretty clear that Liquid and Solid had the same training. To claim otherwise would be an unfounded theory.

Kojima denying The Phantom Pain was Metal Gear only proves that he CAN keep his "big fat mouth" (as you put it) shut. Signs that PP was in fact a Metal Gear property were in the original 2012 trailer. The main character clearly resembled Big Boss (the doctor discussing the coma was a hint), and there appeared to be a Psycho Mantis lookalike. Again, the title itself contain hidden words which spelt "Metal Gear Solid V".

I know that Liquid said specifically the Middle East. Africa and the Middle East both have jackals, and are both locations in the game. We don't know exactly where Eli got those teeth from. The location where Liquid hunted jackals could also be retconned. You pointed out yourself how many times Kojima has altered Master Miller's bio.

Need I remind you that this Wikia has been edited by non-official sources? Were I to apply the same logic you've applied to IMDB, then I wouldn't be able to take any Wiki info as credible. I'm willing to give IMDB the benefit of the doubt, based on the sheer amount of hints pointing to Eli being Liquid. If the intel is false, then let Kojima deny it.

We didn't have a full understanding of The Patriots in MGS2, nor did we know whether we could trust Ocelot's word. Which, as it turns out, we couldn't. MGS4 proved that he wasn't working for The Patriots as we had been falsely led to believe. Furthermore, the Tanker Chapter had Gurlukovich imply that Solidus was with The Patriots. Which he was, until the we learned as the story unfolded that he was defecting.

What do you have against Kojima that you seek to discredit him? Kojima has proven himself capable of keeping things secret. He kept Raiden a secret, as well as the development of MGSV. There's other plot twists I mentioned, which you have yet to prove he spoiled. I'm sure there's more, but you seem convinced he can't not spoil.

You'd financially ruin a game company if you didn't release trailers. Trailers and promotions build hype, which boost pre-orders and remind consumers of products.