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0nighthawk0 wrote: 64.33.250.214 wrote: (A lot) And again, if Kojima even did recast Solidus, then why would he would he give Solidus the same voice as Big Boss when it was already established that Solidus's voice was different? John Cygan's experience and range of vocal age aside, why would Kojima suddenly make Solidus sound exactly like Big Boss when that was never the case? You can say retcon, but then that same would have to be done to Liquid. And if Solidus does sound like Big Boss, then why exactly the same and not younger since he shouldn't have the same physical and vocal appearance yet as Big Boss.

Ishmael does help Big Boss but it is very minimal, in pretty much the entirety of the gameplay trailer all he does is walk in front of you with his naked butt. Again that doesn't make sense for someone whom is supposed to have been watching Big Boss for nine years, it wouldn't make sense at all for him to be practically naked and only wearing that robe thingy you get to wear for surgeries. In terms of not wanting his bandages not beeing peeked into or grabbed, I don't really have a counter against that other then Big Boss being too out of it to even try that.

You also do realize that Tyler is a completely different character because of casting and story writing right? This was so in order to retain the plot twist in the ending. And is an imaginary friend not an hallucination? Considering he fights with his imaginary friend, lets him drive, lets him hurt him which in reality, is him doing all those things to himself, is that not hallucination?

Sure Big Boss never really had hallucinations before, that doesn't rule them out though. We do not know what has been done to Big Boss in those nine years, they could have experimented on him, brainwashed him like the Russians brainwashed Mason in Call of Duty: Black Ops, of course this is pure speculation. But we also know Big Boss laid in coma for nine years, who knows what has been going on in that mind of his during those nine years? He could be suffering from a variety of mental illnesses, ranging from PTSD to that what war veterans have and re-imagining things when they hear certain sounds or certain words. Considering that, it would not be hard at all to explain why Big Boss is hallucinating things so vividly.

A reminder it may be, it doesn't mean that such has to always be the case. And yes we know The Panthom Pain will contain retcons, it's already making a retcon towards Peace Walker where Big Boss clearly said he wouldn't be called Snake anymore yet he's still using the Snake codename. And yes, from what we knows Solidus's accelarated aging was indeed meant to work faster on him so that he could serve as a president, but again I will point out that no infant from 3 years or younger could have started to watch Big Boss back in 1975 up to 1984, nor do I believe the accelerated aging would have him being a fully grown man at the age of 12.

Otacon said that Snake's accelerated aging seemed to be a classic case of Werner Syndrome, which would mean they don't age so much as actual aging but rather that their body grows older and appears older. Ever seen a child with an aging disease? They look like wrinkled elderly children. So far what we know, the accelerated aging is to make them look older and then to kick in as a failsafe so that they will die prematurely, considering they wanted to milk out Solidus, I cannot see this being the case with him when he was still a child.

On the notion of the CIA.....oh boy, we already know that the CIA has pulled some weird shit that is not morally right, like brainwashing people through an arcada machine (which was proven) and other things that would not be seen as right. Considering the influence that Zero has by this time, it is not at all unthinkable that they would not have the CIA use a child, knowing where the child came from and who the "father" is.

Dolly was a sheep and also claimed to be an identical clone. Also, you've just contradicted yourself "That means appearance voice and IQ wont remain completely the same", and yet you would say Ishmael is Solidus and has the same voice as Big Boss, I don't even have to go on further about this honestly. Kojima presumably replaced Hayter in favor of a more experienced physical actor. Instead of redubbing Kiefer's lines, they retained his vocals to match the motion capture. If Kojima felt Solidus's VA wasn't up to motion capture, he'd recast him as well. If he's going to recast Solidus, he may as well cast Kiefer. He had already previously cast Hayter as both Solid and Big Boss, and the Japanese VA has done the voices for both Solidus and Big Boss. Presuming for a moment that Solidus is Ishmael, accelerated aging could be used as an excuse for why Solidus sounds like Big Boss when he'd only be 11 or 12 at most in 1984.

You ever heard the expression "I'll go first"? Or, "Check to make sure the coast is clear"? That's sort of what it looks like Ishmael is doing in the trailers. He's looking around corners, signalling for Boss to stay back or move forward when the coast looks clear. We see him pull Boss to his feet, pull him under a bed for cover, and push him down in front of a window so he doesn't get spotted. Typical guard-like behavior.

Tyler was a representation of how the main character wanted to see himself, and how he wanted others to see him. An attractive alpha male, good in bed and someone to idolize. Like a Hollywood star, like Brad Pitt. The difference between a hallucination and an imaginary friend, is that you don't really see someone who you imagine. You visualize them and pretend they're there. You can make them whatever you want them to be. Hallucination is seeing someone or something temporarily by trick of the mind's senses.

Hallucinations just don't work realistically. Someone with a mental illness may momentarily see distorted images of people, but not vividly real to the extent of Ishmael or Tyler Durden. Sure, Kojima is known to blur the lines between reality and fiction. But if we go by that logic, then Solidus has just as much a chance as being Ishmael as a hallucination does.

Mason in Black Ops hallucinated a character he previously knew before. Whereas Big Boss is hallucinating a hospital patient who sounds like himself. What sense does that make? If he's going to hallucinate anybody, it'd make more sense for them to be a character with some commanding presence. Like The Boss, who taught Big Boss the basics of survival. Imagine her reaching out a hand and saying, "Come with me if you want to live."

Wikipedia under Werner syndrome:

"In an early cut scene from the game Metal Gear Solid 4, Otacon cites "classic Werner syndrome" as the most likely cause of Solid Snake's premature aging, though he goes on to say that testing had been inconclusive. It is later said that Solid Snake's body was designed to break down quickly through fictional man-made "terminator genes"."

It was inconclusive whether or not Snake had Werner syndrome, and it's unlikely that he did. Most people with Werner are usually short in stature, with thin arms and legs. Werner is only one type of Progeria.

From another website about Progeria:

"Progeria is an extremely rare genetic disease wherein symptoms resembling aspects of aging are manifested at an early age. The word “progeria” comes from the Greek words "pro", meaning "before", and "géras", meaning "old age". Progeria is an extremely rare genetic disease of childhood characterized by dramatic, premature aging. It affects children and gives them an appearance of accelerated aging. The classic type of Progeria (there are different forms) is Hutchinson-Gilford Progeria Syndrome (HGPS)."

It's possible the clones had an unknown type of Progeria, but not Werner. The movie "Jack" starring Robin Williams is based on an exaggerated (not real) form of Werner. Jack is 10 years old, but has the body of a 40 year old man. Kojima likes movies, so for all we know this is what Kojima meant by suggesting Solid had Werner. A fictional version that doesn't work exactly like its real world counterpart.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the CIA and Cipher opposing forces in MGS? I'm pretty sure they're working against one another. Knowingly recruiting a clone and allowing him access to CIA information would be a huge risk. Especially when said clone is the perfect clone of Big Boss. Unless, the CIA didn't know he was a clone. If they did know then that's stupid on their part. In either case, hiring a teenage clone isn't of much asset. Solidus would be of more use once he physically matured.

I'm not going by conspiracy theories, whether those theories have basis in truth or not. What we know for certain about the CIA is that they usually don't hire anyone under the age of 18. One online website gives the age of a CIA agent being between 25-35 years. Solidus was a CIA agent during the late 80s. Meaning the oldest he could have been was around 16. Unless accelerated aging kicked in, he's not going to be terribly valuable at that age.

Not really a contradiction. I was simply proposing the idea that if Solidus were in Phantom Pain, he might share the same voice actor as Big Boss. Just as Hayter voiced both Solid and Big Boss. In fact, the Japanese VA has done the voices for both Solidus and Big Boss. He also did Solid. Why they changed that for America I don't know. Didn't say the casting would make sense realistically in regards to cloning.