Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-50.151.195.29-20150903211431/@comment-1672596-20151116011857

64.33.250.214 wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote:

64.33.250.214 wrote:

DementedP wrote: 64.33.250.214 wrote: People focus too much on Huey and forget what Strangelove attempted to do to Otacon. Her plan was to use Huey as a sperm factory so that she could have a child to brainwash with The Boss's memes. This wasn't far from what the Patriot AIs would later do when they created the S3 program, which attempted to shape the lives of others through memes. Which is ironic, because Strangelove was going to work on the AIs herself before her demise. Except we don't even know the full circumstances that led up to that sentiment, especially when those very sentiments were communicated during her dying moments already AFTER Huey left her to die. Besides, it's not so much about Huey "going bad" that's the problem, it's the forced writing that went behind it. Wasn't it clear in Peace Walker that Strangelove wasn't interested in men? I didn't actually play Peace Walker, I'm going by what the Wikia entries state. If it's true that Strangelove was a lesbian, then it lends weight to the notion she was using Huey for her own ends. A lesbian is someone who can't love a man the way they love women, like the way Strangelove loved The Boss. Their relationship was never going to work in a healthy way.

What happened to Strangelove has happened to a lot of women who chose to stay in an unhealthy relationship. Spouses threatening to take the children away is the kind of that triggers an emotional meltdown, which can then turn violent. Add to that Huey clearly suffered from some kind of inferiority complex. The script works in that regard. Where it fails, as in many cases with MGSV, is not showing us these pivotal scenes. Kojima focused the cutscenes on a mute body double, instead of giving previous characters one last moment to shine in the FOX engine. The only one who had that moment was Kaz Miller. In all fairness, Peace Walker did make whether she was genuinely a lesbian or not a bit ambiguous, since her Huey tape DID strongly imply at one point that she did actually have feelings for Huey.

Naked Snake (Big Boss): You know, that ID card I got from Huey wouldn't let me into the lab. // Strangelove: Of course not. I deactivated it. // Snake: Why? // Strangelove: As though I'd let him into my lab! // Snake: You don't seem to care for him much. Even though you two are in the same field. // Strangelove: Oh, please. For starters, I can't stand that wishy-washy attitude of his. If he's got something to say to me, he should be a man and come say it in person, not write some furtive letter. // Snake: But if his card doesn't work, how's he supposed to... // Strangelove: And another thing! The way he always demeans himself. Every other sentence begins with "I could be wrong, but..." Why can't he just do what he does and be confident about it?! // Snake: Well, there was the thing about his dissertation being plagiarized... // Strangelove: The real problem is, he doesn't have a whit of independence in him. In Costa Rica, and even back at NASA he was always following people around asking if there was some way he could help. Why doesn't he stop his whining, take a stand, and face up to me? // Snake: I think I know how he feels.... // Strangelove: And to top it all off, he seems to enjoy referring to himself by that nickname I gave him. I simply don't get it. How can he be so submissive? // Snake: So Huey was a nickname you gave him... // STRANGELOVE: // That's right. I took it from the name of a drone in the science fiction film "Silent Running." // Snake: Drone? // Strangelove: It's a type of worker robot. The way he follows people, just waiting for them to boss him around, is so similar. I couldn't help myself. Oh.. It's an American film directed by Douglas Trumbull, the man who did the special effects for "2001: A Space Odyssey." // Snake: Imagine that. A scientist who likes science fiction... // Strangelove: And that's not all! // Snake: There's more? // Strangelove: He's a man! // '''Snake: ...Hang on, I seem to remember you saying he should be more of a man. // Strangelove: ...Yes, well, he is an awfully good scientist. Without his Reptile Pod, my Mammal Pod wouldn't function. Just as the cerebrum can't exist without the cerebellum and the brain stem. He did a fine job of designing it, I'll give him that. // Snake: That sounded suspiciously like praise... // Strangelove: Hmph. It's merely an objective observation. I like people who possess the will to move forward. I have no time for those who refuse to take control of their lives. Until he does, my opinion remains the same.''' Emphasis mine. It's pretty clear she was caught off-guard by Snake's point about how she implied that she'd like Huey better if he acted more like a man. I might as well remind you that this was most likely a private conversation between her and Big Boss, meaning Huey couldn't have been nearby to hear this, at least, not as far as she was aware, so I'm pretty sure that her views were genuine there and not faked. I could buy her faking this if she was either talking to Huey directly or if Huey was nearby and she knew it, but faking it to Big Boss and her not even being aware of Huey being nearby IF he was even in close proximity at the time? Yeah, I don't buy it. I would expect that crazy kind of roleplay from Paz, Ocelot, EVA, heck, even Miller or especially Liquid and Solid Snake, but Strangelove? Not only is she not a soldier by any means, she's not even a spy either. If it wasn't clear in the games that Strangelove was a lesbian, why does her Wiki page call her a lesbian? If she's attracted at all to Huey, as well as The Boss, then she'd be bisexual. Maybe even pansexual or polysexual, but not a lesbian.

Strangelove's conversation with Big Boss doesn't prove that she was attracted to Huey. It shows that she liked qualities in Huey, but wished he had "the will to move forward". Which hints at her infatuation with The Boss. In fact, were The Boss alive at that time, I doubt she'd even consider Huey. At the very most he'd be a second option. Originally, it WAS going to list her as bisexual, but DementedP rewrote the article to list her as a lesbian, even though had she been a true lesbian, she most likely would have acted more like how General Blue did to Bulma here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLfcQgJ47cU (and hope you've got a Youtube channel, because this is age restricted). Certainly not like how she acted in the ending.

And honestly, when Big Boss pointed out that she had earlier inferred she'd like him better if he acted more like a man, she seemed to stumble on her words. Not much point there if she wasn't taken off-guard by his point.