Board Thread:Metal Gear Solid V/@comment-98.234.99.168-20150703054955/@comment-64.33.250.214-20150718060125

Kornflakes89 wrote:

Evidently you can't comprehend what I'm saying, so I'll explain it as simple as possible. If Kojima says something that was not stated in the games, that statement he made can change at anytime, so him saying Snake is a natural blond who dyed his hair brown can easily change to Snake naturally having brown hair. It's what's shown and said in the games themselves that really matters.

The cover art is irrelevant, Snake still had dark hair in his Metal Gear gameplay sprite and his radio call image.

You're evidently color blind, maybe you shop hop on over to the Solid Snake page and actually look at his MG2 sprite, now after you looked at that, look at his boots, they use the same color for both his boots and his hair and his boots are brown, so logically one would come to the conclusion that his hair is brown as well. He also had brown hair in his MG2 radio picture, so obviously he was meant to have brown hair in that game.

And your point about that is? You do know that twins can be exact physical duplicates but still have different hair color right? And if Snake was a natural blond in MGS1, why no mention of hair dye if they were going to bring up him wanting a pair of scissors to trim his hair?

Again you cannot comprehend what I just said, my points about Solid Snakes apparent lack of intelligence was pointing out the fact that almost all of the characters are idiots, case in point, even with him having brown hair, Meryl still thought he was Liquid at first, now by your logic, Meryl shouldn't have mistook him for Liquid in the first place since he obviously has a different hair color, and voice and skin tone, therefor, Meryl is a moron.

Him looking like Sean Connery in the original version is no longer relevant as the Subsistance version of MGS3 had him looking very un-Connery like.

Yeah the whole eye color thing doesn't really mean much considering the fact that at least a few of the characters have been shown to have their eye colors changed, for example, Solid Snake, his eyes are originally blue, then later changed to gray-ish blue, and I'm pretty sure there's at least a few images of Big Boss having green-ish eyes in MGS5.

But yeah, either way, wrong again, Liquid's motivations were centered around him believing he was the inferior clone, and him being an idiot thought that recessive=inferior, which is false. There's not a single statement in the game that implies that Liquid had the dominant genes the whole time, just that he was supposed to be the superior clone with Solid being the inferior one. I'm late to respond to your comment, as I just now got around to reading it. In the future I'd appreciate it if you could be less condescending to others on this board. It honestly doesn't make me want to reply to your arguments. You've been talking down to people as though you know everything, and as if everyone else but you lacks comprehension skills.

What's shown throughout the games is clearly inconsistent. These inconsistencies are commonly referred to as "retcons". The argument was not whether Solid has blonde hair NOW, according to current canon, but that he MAY HAVE at one point. That Kojima MAY HAVE had an intention to reveal Solid as a blonde. There is EVIDENCE (not proof) of this in the original MGS1 briefing scene, as well as concept art showing a blonde Pliskin. Because that plan was scrapped for whatever reason, Kojima allowed the briefing to be redone by the team working on Twin Snakes (which was a dumb change by the way) to show that Solid had brown hair. Not only that, Solid's seemingly green eyes in MGS2 were changed to blue in Twin Snakes.

What was attempting to say, is that Solid having blonde hair COULD HAVE once been canon, but is now no longer canon due to retcons. Much like other details, such as Boss's voice changing due to recasting.

The box art is revelant because it's another inconsistency, when box art for most other games in the franchise clearly show the characters as they appear in-game.

I could hardly see the sprite on Solid's Wiki page, because the image was so tiny. When the sprite is magnified, you can see more of a color discrepancy between the original sprite and how Solid would look in later games. Here you can see the difference between MG2 and MGS1: http://tehkiwiman.deviantart.com/art/Metal-Gear-Solid-sprite-362317380

This infograph also shows how light the MG2 sprite looks compared to other models: http://images.halloweencostumes.com/infographics/Metal-Gear-Solid-Infographic.jpg

Admittedly, these sprites don't look yellow. I had seen a sprite somwhere that made his hair look almost yellow. The color though just proves yet another inconsistency.

You seem to be deliberately ignoring the fact that Campbell doesn't mention the hair difference at all. He mentions the skin tone, which is barely noticeable in-game. It makes absolutely no sense for Campbell to say they are exact duplicates, but only mention a difference in skin. Now whether there was an error in translation, I do not know. What I know is what USA players were told prior to MGS2, and that is that Solid was an exact duplicate aside from skin color.

Meryl's reaction to Solid depends entirely on what she would have known prior to meeting him. Specifically, if she knew Solid Snake was on Shadow Moses, and if she knew what either Liquid or Solid looked like. If she knew what Liquid looked like, yet didn't know Solid was on the base, she could have assumed that Liquid dyed his hair. It all depends on context. What Campbell said directly in the briefing left little room to assume Solid had different hair color.

It WAS canon that Boss looked like Sean Connery, just as it COULD HAVE BEEN canon that Solid was blonde in MGS1, just as it COULD BE canon that Solid has blonde hair in Phantom Pain. The canon has changed so much, who's to say that wont be the case?

What you're arguing for is current canon, and current canon states that Liquid has green eyes. Green eyes are born from dominant genes, whereas blue eyes (which Solid has had in nearly every game besides MGS2), are from recessive genes.

Liquid explicitly stated that he "got all of the recessive genes". Which means he was motivated by that fact. If he actually had the recessive genes, then he'd lose sympathy points as a character. Fans like Liquid partly because they sympathize with him being lied to. What you claimed is that he did have the recessive genes, which would mean he was told the truth.