Board Thread:Metal Gear Solid V/@comment-4913740-20140331092208/@comment-1672596-20141031184518

Bluerock wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote: Peace Walker and MGSV already did that, especially considering the second ending, the ending narrative (combined with Huey's "smart" decision to get the media involved) for Ground Zeroes, heck, what Ishmael and Ocelot stated to Big Boss about the latter being a man so wanted by the entire world (and not in a good way, I should make clear) there isn't even an alive option for him. Look, the games made clear that literally no one even suspected Big Boss was the founder of Outer Heaven, not to mention wasn't even believed to do anything bad, yet considering those games, they basically tore that bit up. They haven't "torn it up." There's a whole 11 years between TPP and MG1 in which Big Boss can be redeemed in the eyes of whoever "the whole world" (who wants him dead) is supposed to be (the public/intelligence agencies/governments?). Besides which, unless it was the U.S. government that actually wanted him dead, people just hating would not stop him from assuming a position in a military squad that is top-secret to the public.

Also, it's never been claimed that absolutely nobody ever knew or suspected that Big Boss was Outer Heaven's leader, so don't be misusing the word "literally." Cipher might be fully aware, but may not have the power to dictate what actions the U.S. carries out. Then again, if there is some reconciliation with Big Boss in the intervening years, maybe they just don't care. Big Boss may agree to become Cipher's deterrent force due to events in TPP, and betray them later on. Events may be extreme enough for them to bury the hatchet over the ZEKE incident.

I'm just speculating anyway. There's no need to be so close-minded and pessimistic about such things. I'm not misusing it. Heck, Big Mama in MGS4 even made it explicit, to say little about how everyone was actually surprised that Big Boss was the leader of Outer Heaven. Heck, it was precisely because of Big Boss's revolts that Zero even had the AIs commissioned in the first place, unwilling to even trust humans for carrying out his will, that's precisely what Big Mama stated. Even with FOXHOUND being top secret, Outer Heaven was not, as apparently it was very well known if the manual's story is anything to go by.

And actually, the fact that Big Boss would have been exposed as both leader of Outer Heaven and FOXHOUND, especially considering what MGSV and even Peace Walker strongly implied if not outright stated, would have caused a huge scandal that would have all but ensured that FOXHOUND was tarnished, not to mention possibly even shut down due to the fact that it had been run by a well-known terrorist and the most wanted criminal in the world with not even "alive" being an option for taking him out. It wouldn't result in FOXHOUND being made famous and world-renowned, even with the idea that Zero would somehow stupidly let Big Boss take control of FOXHOUND in secret.

And BTW, it was claimed in the Metal Gear 2 manual, it even stated that he was secretly the leader of Outer Heaven, and his role in it was exposed to the world after Metal Gear, meaning that very few, if any actually knew about his role in the organization (and considering Zero was strongly implied in Big Mama's speech in MGS4 to not even know about Big Boss forming Outer Heaven or his coup detat against him until 1995, that should make clear that even the Patriots most likely didn't know), and it is also strongly supported by the fact that Kyle Schneider and Diane didn't even know Big Boss was the leader until way late into the game. So yeah, they are really messing things up with Peace Walker and MGSV. Even for someone of Big Boss's skills, there's no chance of Big Boss actually regaining control of FOXHOUND now that Zero knows about his actions. He can't simply sneak in and stuff ballot boxes, especially when all the intelligence agencies in the US, never mind the world, are basically keeping an eye on him and he is exceptionally wanted. Even Solid Snake had to basically fake his own death specifically to go under the radar after the Patriots targeted him.