Board Thread:Questions and Answers/@comment-67.1.246.12-20130810173702/@comment-96.59.223.143-20140616210914

Weedle McHairybug wrote:

96.59.223.143 wrote:

Weedle McHairybug wrote:

42.98.54.175 wrote:

Weedle McHairybug wrote:

42.98.41.188 wrote:

Weedle McHairybug wrote: It's more his saying in The Twin Snakes "He chose me, knowingly, to be the inferior one?!" that suggests that he never met him (in the original PSX version, Liquid did actually imply they've met by saying "Father always said I was inferior."). That's what I don't get - why would this particular line implied they never met? But before diving deeper, keep in mind that Kojima has not told the whole story about Liquid in MGS, and it is evident that Liquid was misinformed on AT LEAST one key fact (himself being the inferior clone). Big Boss could have let Liquid know the "facts" in person, via another person such as Ocelot or Kaz, or in an extreme case, Solidus -- who knew Liquid exists -- used Ocelot to provoke Liquid by leading him to believe whatever story he was told (cited by Prez. Johnson in MGS2). "He's choosing me, knowingly, to be the inferior one!"

if I were to conclude something from this line, I think it simply implied that Liquid was TOLD of Big Boss' choosing. It does not say how Liquid was informed of this or whether it was even true nor does it imply or affirm that Liquid and Big Boss never / ever met in person.

But all things considered, Liquid should have known most facts correctly for a while in order to develop such hatred to a point that he wants revenge on both Solid and the Patriots (his hatred towards the Patriots was revealed in [In the Darkness of Shadow Moses]) at such a scale. I hope I have not missed out anything yet. The reason it implied they never met is because of what you said, the way he said it made it seem as though he was only told about Big Boss's involvement and not learning it from Big Boss himself, and even in the original game, it was implied that he may have only learned of Big Boss's possibly choosing him from either Ocelot or Solidus, possibly both. It also doesn't help that MGS4 doesn't even go so far as to even mention that Big Boss ever met his progeny until Solid Snake joined FOXHOUND in the 1990s, and heck, both the MGS4 novelization and the Official Missions Handbook even implied that Ocelot was the one who told Liquid Snake about Les Enfants Terribles after he joined FOXHOUND in 1999 and became unit leader. I still think that line does not lock the story down to a place where Liquid never met Big Boss - I mean - it's just one line and that's it. If you take Solid's case, Big Boss revealed to him everything when they were on the battle field, it won't be too strange for him to do the same to Liquid I suppose. Anyway, I don't think we have a strong proof to what we suspect on this issue.

As to the sequel thing, maybe Kojima always think he's writing a last Metal Gear Solid, but it's also true that he gave greenlight to the after-credit calls in MGS 1, so yea I think he at least opened the way for a sequel if not planned it from the very beginning. The line DID suggest that Liquid was told of this from someone OTHER than Big Boss, especially compared to the MGS1 original's script where he explicitly stated Big Boss told him he was the inferior one. And it also doesn't help that his bio in the Official Missions Handbook as well as the MGS4 novelization mentioned that he only learned about his being a LET survivor and his supposed inferiority AFTER he took command of FOXHOUND. Seriously Weedle? The novelization is NOT canon. The majority of the information in the bios in the MGS strategy guide (especially Big Boss') is NOT canon. Actually, they are ambiguously canon, not non-canon. Kojima did have a hand in the writing of the LET chapter in the Benson MGS novel, and besides which, Kojima actually praised the MGS4 novelization and even honored Project Itoh in Peace Walker, even stating that it was actually very close to what he envisioned the series as, praising him for reading between the lines.

Well, Peace Walker revealed that Big Boss was 10 years old when WW2 ended, making it impossible for Big Boss to have fought in the war (which is what the strategy guide said). Then again, as William Foster from Falling Down would say, Big Boss was probably the drummer boy. XD