Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-151.24.143.80-20140402080407/@comment-1672596-20140402122203

Bluerock wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote: I don't think MSF was even raised by Cipher. Manipulated, maybe, but raising them would imply that MSF had been reared by Cipher, when it was pretty clear none of them, not even former Patriot founder Big Boss, were even aware of Cipher's existence, not to mention Paz was unaware of Miller's involvement with Cipher as a neutral business partner. The LET children were the only thing actually "raised" by Cipher. Weedle, surely you didn't forget that Cipher, through Miller, influenced its growth throughout the entire game? The word "raise" is not restricted to rearing children. Anyway, I've removed the incorrect statements from the article, but yeah, as Misterbunnsy says, the talk page for Paz is the best place for discussing changes to the article. I didn't forget about Miller's ties with Cipher and how they used him to expand MSF. Heck, I even referenced it in the post you quoted ("not to mention Paz was unaware of Miller's involvement with Cipher as a neutral business partner"). The problem is that Paz made clear in her final diary tape that she wasn't even aware of another Cipher agent on Mother Base, meaning she couldn't have known about Miller's ties to Cipher, which is why the context of MSF being used to safeguard Cipher's goal makes absolutely no sense in that case. As far as she knows, she's the only true Cipher agent in MSF (which in a way was true, as even Miller stated he was neither affiliated with Cipher nor against them in his call to Zero).