Talk:Vamp

Ehem
"His codename refers not to his vampire-like abilities, but to his bisexuality. " I have never heard the game mention this, only GigaVille. It was entirely Hideos intention for his name to relate to his Vampiric likeness, as mentioned in numerous interviews. I don't think we do the game justice with such comments. --OSDever 22:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually it's true, if you keep pestering pliskin on the codec he'll tell you. It's on this site 0x1533b13 through to 0x1533bdc. While we're on this topic Volgin is also bi and Ivan Raidenovich is gay.
 * --Drawde83 00:09, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

and it was ME who put the quote in, just for the record ~Tryzon
 * yes, all he said is right, although the last part didnt need to be put forward...

''The femme fatale has been portrayed as a sexual vampiress; her charms leach the virility and independence of lovers, leaving them shells of themselves. On the account of the poem "The Vampire", but Rudyard Kipling, in early American slang the femme fatale was called a vamp, short for vampiress.'' Chaos91 05:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Can someone please explain to me what "Vamp" has to do with bisexuality? That's always confused me.
 * I think it's something to do this . Specifically this paragraph:


 * I think it would be better if we moved this fact into a trivia section. Both on this page and on Scott Dolph. It's not relevant to the storyline the way volgin being bisexual was. What do people think?


 * True but it's not really trivia. As long as its not in the biography I think may be okay where it is. Chaos91 16:02, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The fact that he had a relationship with Scott Dolph should be kept, but the quote above about his name should be removed unless there's an actual source for that. As it is it's baseless speculation stated as fact, since we have no idea how his name was actually chosen. - Kuukai2 21:01, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * What do you mean the quote about his name? If you mean that his name refers to him being bisexual, then it is actually said word for word in-game - don't think there's a better source than that Chaos91 06:36, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I meant, "His codename refers not to his vampire-like abilities, but to his bisexuality." Where is this stated in the game?  The codec conversation states his orientation, but nothing about that being where his name comes from.  His name could equally (or more) come from his vampire-ness, and without some sort of confirmation it's better to not go around making specific claims about its origins... - Kuukai2 15:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Same site 0x1532baa to 0x1532c7b: We could rewrite the article to say that vamp was close to Scott Dolph and fortune. Since one of the quotes say the relationship was rumoured I think it would be perfect as trivia. Also we could change the codename line to "according to Snake, "Vamp" isn't for vampire. It's because he's bisexual" that way it's got some context. (maybe snake is trying to point out that Vamp isn't Immortal) --Drawde83 20:16, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Kuukai2, it is specifically stated in-game in a codec conversation. If you call Pliskin on his codec several times, he will eventually talk about dead cell. Listen to this conversation and these EXACT words will be said:

Pliskin: ...he survived by drinking the blood of his family. Raiden: So that's why they call him Vamp. Pliskin: No. "Vamp" isn't for "Vampire", it's because he's bisexual. I think that settles it. Chaos91 10:47, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Deaths
In the "Deaths" section it was recently added "Killed by an explosion in a church," but actually he didn't "died" because at that time he didn't had the healing nanomachines.

Cgs93 03:30, 2 July 2008 (UTC)Cgs93

Actually it was heavy implied by him himself that he did "die" hence him saying "I died once already, I cannot die twice."

One of many of the MGS4 storyline mistakes that was never looked into for Vamp. CorinneMQ 00:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)CorinneMQ


 * I think the idea is that it was because of that he was chosen as an ideal subject for the Nanomachine experiments. I like it like that. Not everything should be spoon fed to us. --Fantomas 08:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Fortune and Vamp are Lovers
Fortune and Vamp are originally lovers in the JP version until it was translated from miscommunication when it came to the US. I am not here to change anything, just to help out of some mistakes that people might want to change.CorinneMQ 00:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

You can change it yourself, we don't mind. You have a source, so it's all good. --Fantomas 08:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Naomi and Vamp
"Naomi arrived and gave him a syringe that shut off his nanomachines which let him die of his injuries once and for all.:

This is only half true. Naomi gave it to "Otacon" to give to Vamp "Not out of revenge, but to end his suffering", which then Vamp took it from him and injecting himself with it to end his pain from his wounds, which killed him. Which in a way, Vamp killed his own self. CorinneMQ 00:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

About Vamp's dogtags in MGS4
The "Behind the scenes"-section and the "trivia"-section claims that the dogtags Vamp wears in MGS4 are the dogtags of his fallen Dead Cell comrades.

What is the source on that?

There really is no source but it's obvious. The document of MGS2 revealed that there were originally six Dead Cell members. Colonel Jackson went to prison but Chinaman and Old Boy were killed in a mission in October. Fatman and Fortune were killed in April 2009. Vamp clearly has the dogtags of Chinaman, Old Boy, Fortune, Fatman and his own dog tags.

There are other theories, like those tags being taken from the five SEALs he killed and worn commeratively of Vamp and Raiden's first meeting. (shrugs) But there really isn't an official word. To be honest, the Dead Cell conclusion sounds about right to me.

What remains unknown
Abilities section - Despite MGS4 completely explaining Vamp's immortality and touching upon his ability to run up walls, etc., MGS2 had him doing many more things that just are never explained in MGS4 and remain unknown as to the how's and why's. I feel it'd be a benefit to include these details as they are seen in-game, and as such shouldn't simply be ignored.

I'm looking for support really, as my edits to this end are constantly being refuted in favor of an inadequate explanation.


 * I have fully rewritten the abilities section to include as much information as is sensible to contain, and from an entirely neutral point of view. Hopefully, that should put an end to this edit war.Chaos91 18:05, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Still inadequate for my tastes; there's alot of strange things about Vamp that appear in game and barely get any mention. Still, I'll accede in light of your efforts. It's appreciated.