Board Thread:Metal Gear Solid V/@comment-4913740-20140331092208/@comment-25600718-20141101071419

Bluerock wrote:

Weedle McHairybug wrote: Peace Walker and MGSV already did that, especially considering the second ending, the ending narrative (combined with Huey's "smart" decision to get the media involved) for Ground Zeroes, heck, what Ishmael and Ocelot stated to Big Boss about the latter being a man so wanted by the entire world (and not in a good way, I should make clear) there isn't even an alive option for him. Look, the games made clear that literally no one even suspected Big Boss was the founder of Outer Heaven, not to mention wasn't even believed to do anything bad, yet considering those games, they basically tore that bit up. They haven't "torn it up." There's a whole 11 years between TPP and MG1 in which Big Boss can be redeemed in the eyes of whoever "the whole world" (who wants him dead) is supposed to be (the public/intelligence agencies/governments?). Besides which, unless it was the U.S. government that actually wanted him dead, people just hating would not stop him from assuming a position in a military squad that is top-secret to the public.

Also, it's never been claimed that absolutely nobody ever knew or suspected that Big Boss was Outer Heaven's leader, so don't be misusing the word "literally." Cipher might be fully aware, but may not have the power to dictate what actions the U.S. carries out. Then again, if there is some reconciliation with Big Boss in the intervening years, maybe they just don't care. Big Boss may agree to become Cipher's deterrent force due to events in TPP, and betray them later on. Events may be extreme enough for them to bury the hatchet over the ZEKE incident.

I'm just speculating anyway. There's no need to be so close-minded and pessimistic about such things. Good points. I have some additions also.

It really seems to me that tearing up MG1 would really be taking a difficult and uncessary route. Not to mention it would be the largest retcon the series has ever seen. There are many possible events that could occur in MGS5 to change things to let it all make sense in the end.

Big boss is kept alive in a patriot hospital (note the hexagonal floor tiles) This happens long after Les Enfants Terribles (1972, coma happens in 1975) so he's not being kept for that reason.

Big Boss could be kept alive so Zero could use him for some purpose. They don't need to actually be friends for BB to head Foxhound later on.

The Ground Zeroes tapes actually state that Cipher would not kill or accept the death of Big Boss. SF mentions how Cipher would mourn his death

The theory that Skullface is manipulating events between BB and Cipher to get to Cipher isn't so much a theory, as blatantly obvious to anyone who has played Ground Zeroes and understood the tapes properly.