Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-6431205-20130423195835/@comment-1672596-20150202011550

Bluerock wrote: Weedle McHairybug wrote: It's in one of the Sunny calls during Chapter 7 (I think one of the first calls). Raiden basically notices how the Earth is like from space, and basically quotes The Boss's life-changing experience and her motives as a result. He doesn't quote her, the view from space just gave him the same impression.

Weedle McHairybug wrote: To be honest, considering how Peace Walker and MGSV basically butchered EVA's history lesson to Snake, especially the bit about how Zero was apparently caught off-guard about Outer Heaven, I really am apathetic about whether they'll retcon half the plot of MGS4. Yeah... they sure "butchered" it. Because EVA's explanation is just completely incompatible and irreconcilable with the later games. 8-| Weedle McHairybug wrote: Call me cynical, but after Kojima's "creative liberties" starting with Metal Gear Solid, I really don't see any reason to hope for any aspect of the overarching plot to be retained. MGS1, really? That ship sailed a long time ago. I think it's time to move on. Next, there'll be complaints that MG2 didn't reference Outer Heaven's self-destruction and thus "ruined the series." Sigh.

Back on topic, maybe they should just put Raiden in a nanomachine/cybernetic-induced stasis, and he awakens a thousand years later to a completely different world, and can fight crazy monsters and such. Can ignore all previous canon while still remaining a possible future. Plenty of creative freedom for the writers! I won't comment on the first bit, but I will state for the second bit that it was made clear in EVA's speech that Zero didn't even know about Outer Heaven until the time Solid Snake basically took it down, and in fact was so devastated by Big Boss's betrayal that he formed the AI system precisely because thanks to Big Boss betraying him he can't trust humanity or the next generation anymore. And as far as the third bit, they pretty much retconned the third zero/total nuclear disarmament, the formations of FOXHOUND and Big Boss's specific role in the organization, the ending for Metal Gear 2 overall, etc., and that's not even getting into the games after Metal Gear Solid, and I could give a whole list if I have to.

And honestly, if "creative writing" means basically destroying the timeline, I have no interest in that.

Either way, I'm betting for either a direct sequel to Rising or reusing the original concept for Metal Gear Solid: Rising.