User talk:Bluerock

Hi, welcome to the Metal Gear Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Metal Gear Acid page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Fantomas (Talk) 14:29, September 30, 2009

EU soldiers.
Hi.

I'm probably going to be out of pocket due to schoolwork, so because of that as well as some difficulty with Microsoft Paint, I'm probably gonna let you do the EU soldier related stuff. Here's the Youtube video I found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQi1csQDXIs

Probably the only thing missing is the back to Portugal.

Weedle McHairybug 10:44, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll look into when I have time. --Bluerock 13:04, February 23, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, finally got round to uploading some new versions of those pics. --Bluerock 13:36, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Keep up the good work. Weedle McHairybug 13:57, April 22, 2012 (UTC)

Greetings from Technobliterator
Hi there, I'd just like to contact you as an admin of the Metal Gear wiki, and express my interests in joining. I've also contacted Fantomas but he seemed less active than you.

I'm Technobliterator. I'm an experienced member of Wikia, an administrator on SporeWiki and a frequent contributor on Jak and Daxter wiki, and I know how pretty much everything works, as well as having knowledge on wiki coding and the like. I'd just like to ask, as you seemed the only active administrator, what work is there to do around here? I'm realy interested in the Metal Gear Series and have some knowledge on it, though fixing pages and designing page layouts, tables, infoboxes and naboxes are my strongpoints. Can you get back to me with a possible to-do list and suggestions? Also, if you want, I could demo you some new templates & codes that may interest you.Technobliterator 16:32, February 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, looks like that page needs a lot of attention. I'll definately work on it, but in order to make the table not hang, using the current table code is not the best idea. I've got a solution, however, if you're willing to edit the wiki's MediaWiki:Common.css to add a table code similar to w:c:jakanddaxter:Jak 3 trophies' tables.

.va-table { border: 1px solid #AAA; box-shadow: 2px 2px 2px #AAA; -moz-box-shadow: 2px 2px 2px #AAA; -webkit-box-shadow: 2px 2px 2px #AAA; empty-cells: show; font-size: 11px; line-height: 16px; margin-bottom: 5px; } .va-table td, .va-table th { border: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 1px 2px; } .va-table tr { background: #FFF59C; } .va-table th { background: #F6B024; font-weight: bold; } .va-table td { background: transparent; } /* Adapting lists & paragraphs to altered line-height */ .va-table ul, .va-table ol, .va-table p { line-height: 16px; margin-top: 0; margin-bottom: 0; } .va-table ul, .va-table ol { margin-left: 20px; } .va-table ul + p, .va-table ul + ol, .va-table ul + ul, .va-table ol + p, .va-table ol + ol, .va-table ol + ul, .va-table p + p, .va-table p + ol, .va-table p + ul { margin-top: 5px; } /* Tables with specific vertical alignment for cells */ .va-table-top td { vertical-align: top; } .va-table-middle td { vertical-align: middle; } .va-table-bottom td { vertical-align: bottom; } /* Tables with specific horizontal alignment for cells */ .va-table-center td { text-align: center ; } .va-table-left td { text-align: left; } .va-table-right td { text-align: right; } /* Tables which are full width in Oasis */ .va-table-full { width: 660px; } /* Tables in which the first column starts with an icon */ .va-table-icon tr td:first-child { padding-left: 18px; text-indent: -18px; }
 * The table I've linked to uses this code in the MediaWiki:Common.css, and could be implemented here with obvious colour changes (and possibly changing the idea from .va-table 'id' to anything you chose; metalgear-table?). This could be a solution to Metal Gear Online's equipment page, and could provide neater and better tables. Hope this helped; if this is implemented, then I'll start work immediately, if not I'm more than happy to see if I can use the current wikitable code to make it work.--Technobliterator 18:29, February 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Oh no, nothing would be removed or changed. Basically, all it'd mean would be that if I created a table and gave the table the id of ".va-table", then the table would look like this one. As for adding it, just copy paste this code (possible adding somethnig like /* ######## TABLES ######## /* so you can remember it) and change the HTML colours accordingly (#FFF59C and the like wouldn't fit Metal Gear colours). Simple as that, and nothing else will be effected. From there I can code up all tables to look better, this one to begin with as it looks like it needs quite a bit of work.--Technobliterator 21:15, February 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * No problem :) http://www.w3schools.com/html/html_colors.asp This site should help you.--Technobliterator 22:49, February 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Allright, I've done th first table on Metal Gear Online equipment, but the code's not working for some reason, when I input "mgs-table". Are you sure the .css you replacd all "va-table" with "mgs-table"?--Technobliterator 17:51, February 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * My apologies, it was my mistake not yours! Anyway yeah, I've done the table now for one section, nd I'll do the others soon as I'm available.--Technobliterator 20:19, February 29, 2012 (UTC)

The soldiers in Dead Man Whispers.
Who are they supposed to be anyway? Russian mercenaries? They have Russian accents. 98.221.96.37 18:11, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure without going back and reading the text during the interludes. They reuse the Russian speech from the main game, so I don't know whether this should be a true indication of what nationality these different characters are. --Bluerock 20:27, February 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * The text simply calls them "a team under his command". I wasn't sure whether they were also Navy Seals, Russian mercenaries, Russian military or some other American special forces team. It's strange that the writers didn't elaborate on who those soldiers were. By the way, why does Omega Fighter always use his IP address to remove certain edits in the Outer Heaven Uprising page instead of his account? It doesn't make sense. He doesn't even provide an explanation for why he removes certain edits.--98.221.96.37 21:42, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree with Bluerock, the soldiers are just reused from the main game because of the low production/development value, hence the Russian accents are just incidental and not relevant. In terms of the story, I don't think it would make sense for Russian soldiers to be involved in a US military training exercise. If they were Russian, then their background and reasons for being involved would have been elborated. Liendax 22:18, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, since the source doesn't elaborate on it, I would say the text as it was will suffice. As for Omega, I'm not quite sure; I have undone some of his edits when they were worded badly, and said so in edit comments. It's nothing personal, but maybe he feels some kind of prejudice from myself, so by not using his username, he might feel I will ignore it. He just needs to communicate a little more, but I would advise that you don't antagonize him over it. --Bluerock 22:26, February 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, I guess they were some American special forces team. --98.221.96.37 18:22, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't mind if you stay logged in as "Liendax", you know. Might as well have your own user account. --Bluerock 18:38, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not Liendax. --98.221.96.37 18:56, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you say so ;) Wouldn't be a bad idea to make an account though. --Bluerock 19:52, February 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, I'm Liendax! They could have been Special forces or even mercenaries. But this is all speculative and there's no way to confirm it, so the text is fine as it is. I agree with Bluerock, you should create an account, it's a good way to keep track of your contributions and to communicate with other users. Happy editing! Liendax 20:08, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

MGO equipment & more work
All right, I've now done Metal Gear Online equipment page, apparently with the help of Weedle. The only issues that seem to remain are the Color/Cost thing (perhaps there could be a better way of organizing that?), and that the table code doesn't display colours or the desired text font, although that could well be caching issues (wikia's servers are slow), so if it doesn't work by a few days time then we'd just contact wikia staff. Anyway, for now, do you have anything else that I could work on?--Technobliterator 11:50, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * By the looks of things, the table was copied from wikipedia's old tracklist tables before the new table was created. I'm not much of a fan of that; the coding is incredibly complicated, and while I'd be able to code it with no problem, I don't know how well other users would be, and of course simpler coding is always better. If the caching problems are sorted, then I think the mgs-table would be a better option., although that's just my opinion. The mgs-table also allows for a different text font to make it smaller yet still readable, as seen on the page I linked to, but due to caching problems it's currently not showing, nor are the colours.--Technobliterator 13:32, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

MGS4 novelization
Hi.

Remember when I said that I'd try to find the MGS4 novelization and attempt to translate it when I mentioned that a user mentioned that novelization?

Well, I'll follow through with finding the MGS4, but not necessarily translate it, as it won't be necessary as its coming state-side on June 19th of this year.

Weedle McHairybug 01:11, March 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'd heard it was getting an English language release. --Bluerock 01:53, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Jennifer
I didn't want to speculate. If she was the resistance fighter from Metal Gear, I'm sure it would have been pointed out in Sons of Liberty, Snake Tales and the Database. --68.45.180.34 20:51, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, it would have, but the two are detailed on the same page, so it's just for clarification. --Bluerock 21:37, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Standard layouts
Hi, it's Technobliterator again. As I've still nothing to do, I'd like to propse an idea: using standard page layouts. What I mean by this, is that there'd be specific layouts that all pages in a category would follow, for characters, vehicles, weapons, and the like. This way people would know exactly what to write on new pages, and the pages would be more organised. As for what I'm propsing, User:Technobliterator/Sandbox contains my first proposition for a character layout. What do you think?--Technobliterator 16:19, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's great to hear; I'm more than happy to devote time to it and possibly create some more standard layouts, and I know just how they could be implemented into standard help & guidelines pages. what do you think of the prototype standard layout I created on my sandbox page? I think we should follow this, but under ==Characteristics== subheaders we could add more, for example Revolver Ocelot could have ===Liquid's Arm=== and Raiden could have ===Cyborg Ninja=== . I'll get one up for vehicles and weapons after the character one has been finalized. So what do you think?--Technobliterator 16:47, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * All right, here's my response:
 * That's probably a better format, yes, we should use that instead. Or, rather than "in [game]", how about "during [event/incident]"?
 * I should have mentioend that; 'Early life', 'Career' definitely, maybe 'pre-[Event/incident]'? Although maybe the former two would be better options.
 * Scrapping trivia? I see what you mean. So it'd go into behind the scenes, notes, etc? That seems fair enough, works for me.
 * Main headings? Well, if this was another wiki I'd normally vote against that idea, but looking at the Metal Gear Wiki many galleries need to be split into subsections, and if that's the case then havng gallery as a subheader would be a poorer layout, so I'm fine with keeping gallery as a main heading. As for notes and references...if gallery's a main header, then notes and references should be too, so I'm fine with that.
 * I think that's all I've got for now, too. Forum? Also, is there any way to talk to you through non-Wikia means (like, do you have a Steam account, IRC, MSN, etc)? Does Metal Gear Wiki have an IRC channel that you're regularly on? Because I've found that I get more things done and decided through non-Wikia communication; yes there's now Special:Chat for that, but Metal Gear wiki doesn't have it enabled.--Technobliterator 21:51, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Activating chat wouldn't be a bad idea, the only thing I'm concerned about is knowing when you'll be online or not, which is why I prefer using Steam. I'd trial run it for a week or so and then close it if there's any problems with it.--Technobliterator 21:17, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Since you didn't return online from that discussion, I've added a link to Special:Chat on the main page, although I do think that the wiki navigation topbar would be a better palec to add this (maybe under the Community section?) However I'd also say that I think Metal Gear Wiki should upgrade to the newer wiki navigation, if it wouldn't break the current coding, this is because the newernavigation imo looks better, is smoother to use and it can also contain more links (it can contain sub-sub links, for example)--Technobliterator 17:11, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

Radio images Snake Eater.
Hi.

I was wondering if you could upload the images that are included on the radio in various calls in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, such as the food and medicinal herbs when Para-Medic (or in the case of Life Medicine, Para-Medic and Sigint) is called, or the various weapons/NPC images accompanying the calls and other things, as well as the images of the support group (either normally accessed or gained by contacting them multiple times) and stuff like that. Weedle McHairybug 08:37, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Template:Multiple image
Hi, Bluerock. Would you please tell me how to make a Template:Multiple image like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Multiple_image on this wikia? Thanks--Hoe Hunter 13:28, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

FOX Engine or Fox Engine
Hi. "Fox" is the name for an animal, I don't think that it's suitable for a videogame engine trademark. Do you agree with me that we must rename the article to "FOX Engine"? --Hoe Hunter 20:01, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

I think it must be named "FOX ENGINE" and that goes about TRANSFARRING, too, not "Transfarring" (people may think that it's written mistakenly in this way). --Hoe Hunter 20:13, March 13, 2012 (UTC) (notice the trademarks in the images)

Re: New Skin
Hey Bluerock, I'd like to help anyway I can but I have not seen any changes in Wikia's layout on this, or any other wiki. If you could post a screenshot of what you're seeing that could give us a starting point. I'll try to help as best I can but I no longer have as much time to do things on here due to more real world commitments.--Soul reaper 13:17, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

There's no problem with using images from the MGS4 instruction booklet, right?


 * I'd be glad to help with the chat thing. Do you know any other wikis that have it on the front page? Looking at some examples could help. I also want to try and tidy up the navigation menu a little but I don't have access to the CSS. Since wikia forced the new design on us, the nav menu is pretty, unsightly.--Soul reaper 09:42, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

RE: MediaWiki:Wiki-navigation
Basically, editing the page requires you t preview it before you can publish; click preview and then you cna pbulish it from there.Technobliterator 20:47, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Watermarks
Hi, Bluerock. Do you know how to remove watermarks from images, for example a JPG file? Thanks. --Hoe Hunter 02:41, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome! ^^
Thanks man, appreciate it. Anything that needs doing? TidusTehSacrificer357 11:35, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, cool. What do you think was the best part about MGS3? 01:24, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. The Kerotans added a little silliness to it too :P

Spinoffs never work out well, do they? Look at Kingdom Hearts. 06:01, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

hey im a new user here i have been on here on and off and i am a MGS fan to but i only have MGS4 and Littlebigplanet (which has a Metal Gear Solid Pack that came with the Game of the year edition but i recently upgraded to LBP2 and all the pack's content's inclding costumes and levels were transferred to it Lucky me huh?) and Super Smash Brothers Brawl which has snake in it but i am planning on getting MGS3 for 3DS i was wondering if you wanted to meet me on chat.....trying to make friends here now that this wiki has a chat.PS:i onlyp layed MGS1 once when i borrowed it from my cousin when i was 4 but eventually he took it back and i think he sold it....or we did i barely remeber anything from it at all except for the bosses the enviroment a few tibits and Pycho Mantis....oh who could forget him huh?)Ultimate ninja master 02:45, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Blue thanks for the welcome, but I think I'll do just fine; I've edited many Wiki's before. I'll message you if I need any help with anything though. Big Solid Boss 23:49, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Just popping in
Hi, Technobliterator here, justpopping in to let you know I haven't forgotten about this place, I just need something to do; before I suggest some new template ideas of my own I want to have done some more proper work first. Any tasks that you need helping with, at all? How's the wiki been, by the way?Technobliterator 17:46, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

hello...
hello i am currently on chat right now cause you're here i am in america and it is 6:29 where i am now.Ultimate ninja master 22:29, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

dfle3 chat
Hi. New to this site. Wanted to start a thread about what I considered to be a 'fair' speed run for MGS4...new to this site so not sure if I did it right...be good to be able to edit my comments. Do you have a Community Board where I could post that kind of stuff up? Not exactly sure where I posted my suggestions on a 'fair' speed run for MGS4.

Also, for some of my edits for the game, I'll have entirely removed someone else's comments or mentioned that the original entry is beneath my edit or whatever...not sure what the conventions here are, or who has the right to delete previous comments (or leave them there).

Might add some edits/replacements here some time soon.

Cheers.


 * Hi Bluerock. I'm not getting the hang of this site at all. I want to post something about speed runs on a community forum which is generally available...not sure that a personal blog entry is the way to go for that...most people wouldn't be aware of it, I don't think. You're links aren't even always visible...I mean the one which points you to forums. You've got a Watercooler section which I'm not sure is the right place for my post...is it?


 * Not sure what you mean by signing my comments with four tildes. What is that about?


 * P.S. your site has annoying pop up ads...the poker one...how do you make it go away?


 * Cheers.


 * Thanks for that. My Preferences had "Don't show all ads" as the default, it seems, but I got that annoying pop up ad for poker following me around today. Will see if it still does that next time I log in.


 * re site layout...many of your links are barely visible, hence me being in the dark about where stuff is...e.g. your links for "On the wiki", "Game information" etc. have a camo rating of over 90%, I think!


 * re Watercooler...I think I tried to post that thread of mine which I posted in my blog today on there, but for whatever reason I had no luck, I don't think. It was straightforward posting my blog up, but not my Watercooler thread. Might try again in a while, otherwise looks complicated.


 * re signature...I've added those to my Walkthrough entries now...not sure if that is what you meant by adding them. Accidentally deleted a sub-entry for one of those, but I managed to revive it...so, good that that was able to be done instead of alerting you to it!


 * Back to generally viewable forum posts...just something straightforward would be good...like Forums >>> New thread >>> Post. I'm assuming that Water Cooler is suitable for my proposed topic...maybe some sort of section where it's obvious what kind of posts belong where.


 * Cheers.


 * Just curious, did you find my entry for the Screaming Mantis fight particularly useful? As in this part of the game gave you trouble? Before I came up with this method, I felt that the section was impossible to beat. I'm yet to feel I've come up with a method which I feel so good about as that for the final fight with Liquid...THAT needs work!


 * What emblem did you get? Your time?


 * I did delete some original entries today which I didn't when I added mine here days ago. Not sure how you feel about that. From memory, there was a very long section on beating Crying Wolf, which I left, but do feel that it is overlong. My quick kill method is the first part of that entry, I think.


 * Cheers.


 * re better for me to create my own personal walkthrough...the entries that I've replaced or added to are the community ones, right? In that case I think that the most effective strategy should be the default one, without regard to the amount of work someone else put into it. That person who put a lot of work in their entry (not that I haven't), they could use their strategy in their own personal walkthrough linked to at this site, couldn't they? Hopefully, if I've deleted someone's entry, your site allows them to 'salvage' my deletion and use it again on their own personal walkthrough, right?


 * If not, that would be a suggestion for this site...the site 'remembers' whatevers been deleted so it's not lost and people waste their time writing stuff here.


 * I did notice on someone's long strategy for TBE walkthrough (I think it's for TBE) that they recommended planting claymore mines for the Crying Wolf fight. If the purpose of the TBE guide is to help people acquire the BB emblem, then I suspect that that advice would lead to the Frogs being killed by claymores, so the advice is 'bad', if you want the BB emblem...or the other higher emblems on lower difficulty levels.


 * Basically, I'm trying to contribute the most effective ways of doing better in the game...I have no wish to author every single entry for TBE...just bits I found difficult and the simplest strategy for overcoming those difficulties.


 * How many attempts did it take you to get the BBE? How many times did you play the game before you got it? This is the first time I got the highest honour...have played the highest or 2nd highest difficulty setting in previous games (maybe on just one game) but I don't think I ever seriously tried to get the highest ranking...probably would have found it impossible in any case...walkthroughs like this probably not so publically available back then either.


 * I'm still not sure why adding a sig is important for you re talk forums...you know that it's me if I don't do that, right? I thought you meant add it to the walkthrough entries.


 * Okay. I've been assuming that what I've been editing is like a Wikipedia walkthrough for the game. Your comment to me that I should not have changed the entries and instead started my own walkthrough on a personal page here made me think that this is not like a Wikipedia walkthrough. Haven't really delved too deeply into this site...e.g. I just made the assumption that the T.B.E. entries here were for those trying to get the Big Boss emblem...like I said, one of the Crying Wolf entries gave me the impression that the advice would lead to an unsuccessful attempt on the Big Boss emblem. If that's not an issue for you, I wouldn't have deleted that particular entry.


 * re me adding alternative strategies and therefore should create a new guide altogether...you mean I should write an entire walkthrough myself? No thanks! Hopefully I've given the simplest and most effective strategies for my entries...of course, I wouldn't begrudge anyone adding an alternative strategy if my advice proved too hard to follow...I'm not an elite gamer myself, so I think pretty much that if I can use the strategy, anyone can.


 * If you have other reasons for thinking that my contributions belong on my own personal walkthrough, then you should say why. I'm not going to the trouble of creating an entire walkthrough myself.


 * I mentioned Wikipedia because you know that its entries are generally available to all viewers...it's not like you have a choice about whose entry you wish to read. You do mention that there are two different T.B.E. walkthroughs...I'm trying to edit the Wikipedia equivalent of entries...don't mean to edit or delete people's own, personal walkthrough...I'd be shocked and surprised if I was capable of doing that...those people should have exclusive priviliges on their own walkthroughs and no one should be able to edit or delete their entries. Have me entries been in the "main" walkthrough for this site? If not, I'd like a link to add my edits to the "main" walkthrough.


 * re making edit comments...haven't been doing that so far...didn't know about it...sorry if I am unintentionally breaking conventions here...new to this kind of thing. I did edit the regular Crying Wolf entry (not TBE) and so some of my comments co-exist with whoever authored the main entry...not sure what your convention is on that...I included that claymores may not be the best option for dealing with Frogs in that fight.


 * I assume that you gave me links to two of those TBE walkthroughs before...might have to check them out to see if I can make heads or tails out of which is the 'main' entry!


 * I tried replying to you in my thread about who got the Big Boss emblem...I don't see a "Reply" link for that...I'd like to reply to you there, if possible. Be good if I could edit my OP too.


 * re editing articles here...I've gone over my old entries sometimes and edited them for clarity sometimes. An ongoing process. Personally I think that with some of my entries, they could replace the old entry, but I don't really want to tread on toes...that's more of a Big Boss responsibility! I.e. if people don't have success with my methods, I think it would be okay to have small additions to my entry giving brief alternative strategies...instead of, at the moment, two large entries...one by me, and one by someone who I think has a more complicated entry than me.


 * Will try and add edit comments from now on, but I've probably done most of the work I'm going to do for my entries...unless I really get a handle on other parts of the game which are difficult for me! Hopefully you'll let me know how to reply my Watercooler post!


 * Cheers.



I had a look at your 'two' different MGS4 links...one of them is for the Big Boss Emblem criteria.

Can you tell me WHICH entries I modified? Did I modify the Main walkthrough or some obscure walkthrough? Because the Criteria section is not what I edited. I want to modify the main walkthrough...the first link you gave me be different to what I edited? What's the difference between that first link "1" you gave me and the T.B.E. entries I have been modifying? I did modify some entries for the regular difficulty level of the game too.

Btb, it seems random whether a paragraph break will be big or small...I'd like a WYSIWYG system...so what I'm looking at now will look the same as when I hit "Publish"...which doesn't happen now.

Cheers.


 * You didn't answer my question about the differences in walkthroughs...you gave one irrelevant link...I found the relevant link for a particular part of the game...I contributed to one of them...my fundamental question is "Which one am I contrinbuting too?". Is it the main one or some obscure one no one looks at? I want to contrbute to the main one! Thanks.

I'll try restating my query for the two different walkthroughs...I just want to know what the difference between them is...who are they intended for? I've been adding entries or editing the one with "T.B.E." in the URLs. You showed me one with "The_Boss_Extreme" in the URLs. So, can you just explain the two links? I don't remember you going into that, apart from just saying that there are two different walkthroughs or whatever you called it. If I know what the purpose of each is, then I'll know which one to contribute too. * Okay, just noticed your second PM here...are you saying that T.B.E. URLed entries are for those seeking the Big Boss Emblem? And the The_Boss_Extreme is for those not worried about meeting the criteria for higher emblems?

Another thing, when I'm editing one of those T.B.E. entries, I can't seem to get to the main page of that, so that I can then navigate to another entry in another act. I'd like to be able to do that. Not sure what the trick is with that...be good if there was no trick, just an easily findable way of doing it.

Basically I'm saying that I find your site confusing...you've got multiple walkthroughs, if that is the right word, and it's not clear what each is for, and navigating from specific parts of the walkthrough to the main page again seems unintuitive. Be good if it was more straightforward.

Thanks.

Hi. Backagain. Obviously I'm not visiting this site much more. Just thought I'd say that whilst it makes sense for a lot of the site's feature to apply when editing the wiki, when it comes to chat like this, it does make the site more geeky...as in not being user friendly. You may want to consider to implementing my ideas as far as the forums go, i.e. not being able to edit the entire thread but only being able to your posts and have your reply be to just one post. Perhaps other users are put off by the complexity? Like I said before, I like sites where your ID is automatically given when you reply to posts...here it's an act of memory and, as you've seen, it fails me often!

Out of curiousity, did this site have a heyday? It seems quiet. How busy was it when MGS4 came out? Very? If it has quietened down, a lot of that would be due, obviously, to the game no longer being novel and people moving on. But maybe there is an element of people being put off by the geeky aspects to this site?

Are there other wikis for the previous games? Maybe one of these days I may wish to replay those games and will need to seek advice or try to give some. You got links for those?

You merged those two competing walkthroughs yet?

Cheers.

P.S. had to snoop around to find this thread...other sites it's intuitive re where the forums are and what your last post is...here, less so.

N.B. thank God I remembered...editing this bit in now...I remember somewhere (forums?) some guy offering to help with the site and them saying that they had coding experience with sites like this...they were asking for your permission to help you, I think (they don't need your permission though, do they?)...I think you should encourage them to contribute to this site and hopefully make it more user friendly. I see that the link for your Forum page is still murky...I didn't even notice those links before all the headers were barely visible. Is that guy helping out here now?

Dfle3 07:07, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Wiki navigation
Soon as I get time, I'll make sure that's one of the first things I'll look into; I really need to do something around here, it's been too long and I want to help. Also, any chance we can discuss with the community about my idea of standard page layouts?--Technobliterator 15:51, April 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm so terribly sorry, I was so busy on other wikis with other jobs that I completely forgot about what I was meant to do here, this task and the other things I wanted to do. I'll get to work right away.--Technobliterator 20:17, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I got it. As well as using the code you removed;

.WikiHeaderRestyle > nav li { border-top-right-radius: 3px; border-top-left-radius: 3px; background-color: #color; } .WikiHeaderRestyle > nav li.marked {background-color:006cb0;}
 * Use that too, it should work.--Technobliterator 20:48, May 15, 2012 (UTC)


 * Honesrtly I'm so useless, I've had my ankle's ligaments torn (which can be worse/just as bad as a broken leg& I'm on crutches), and I've been trying to get a new infobox code set up on SporeWiki, which all adds up to my lack of activity here. Well, if you look here, there's some code that should work on the main css.--Technobliterator 11:23, June 7, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, brilliant. Can we get on Special:Chat sometime (perhaps arrange a meeting time) to discuss this? I've got plenty of layouts for every article, weapon, character, story, vehicle, etc. And also, mind saving a screenshot of the wiki skin with the code, and then perhaps using paint or something to point to what you want changing?--Technobliterator 13:41, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Delete my account
Hi, Bluerock. Is there a way to delete my entire account? If you can do it, Please do it ASAP. Thanks. --Hoe Hunter 13:31, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

is it possible to chat.

xtremegianca alt
if you did not recieve a title can we chat. other one may or may not say my name.

Hmm...
Hmm...been a while since I posted here...wondering if I'm posting in the right place (goes to intuitiveness of the site)...looks like I posted in the wrong place, unintentionally. Anyway, I suppose the main thing I'd want to get addressed is the issue of being able to look at a section of the walkthrough, say, and then go back to the contents in one click. E.g. you click multiple links for parts of the walkthrough and one to go straight back to the contents page. Your site just seems to offer a "previous" or "next" option, which can be too grindy, I think. I'd like to see something more direct so you can zip in and out of certain sections, without having to move one section at a time.

re entry edits...hopefully your site records authors and changes made...like I said, it seems possible for people to edit other people's posts in general...and you do have the issue of 'needing' to add a sig...so, it seems that maybe it might not be possible to keep tabs on changes etc.

Dfle3 07:29, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Ten Cuidado.
Okay, I made a mistake about what Ten Cuidado meant. So what does it mean? Sorry, I don't speak Spanish as well as I should. I only know "Si" (yes) and "Ole" (hello). Weedle McHairybug 19:11, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

EDIT: Never mind. Apparently it meant "Watch out!" or "Be careful." Weedle McHairybug 19:14, May 3, 2012 (UTC)

Fulton extraction of MSF/Big Boss pic.
Hi. I was wondering if you could get an image of the MSF using the Fulton to extract themselves from the area after completing a mission? Thanks in advance. Weedle McHairybug 21:21, May 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I uploaded a pic of Snake preparing the Fulton. Is that what you were looking for? --Bluerock 18:27, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * I was actually thinking of it actually being deployed, although that's a good start. Weedle McHairybug 18:36, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Uploaded another, though it's not possible to get a decent pic with the balloon also in shot, since it moves too far away from the camera, and you can only see it from the bottom anyway. --Bluerock 19:55, May 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's good enough. Thanks. Weedle McHairybug 20:03, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

"Killed most of [Liquid's] men."
The wording made it a bit ambiguous, especially when the Genome soldiers were technically also Liquid's men, seeing how they did serve him, plus they only said that most of the soldiers were brainwashed, carrying the implication that there were some that served him willingly. The fact that The Twin Snakes also included a flashback to Snake killing some Genome soldiers during Liquid's speech also didn't help the confusion, either. But, if Liquid was indeed only referring to FOXHOUND, I guess I can't argue with that. Weedle McHairybug 20:31, May 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * He probably killed those soldiers during the unavoidable boss battles, but that can hardly be considered "most of [Liquid's]] comrades." It's more likely that he is referring to his immediate combat squad in FOXHOUND, given the wording. --Bluerock 20:48, May 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Nastasha's novel changes the wording to "dozens", suggesting Liquid was talking about the Genome soldiers, not FOXHOUND. Either way, there were like 100 hundred Genome soldiers. He obviously didn't kill most of them. By the way, if most of them were brainwashed, why did they still try to kill Snake after he killed Mantis? Their brainwashing should have worn out by then. --68.45.180.34 18:30, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

On a completely different note, you should use an extra colon before your comments to make them stand out more from the ones above. --Bluerock 19:04, June 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting point regarding the novel's wording. They tended to do this for other dialogue too, probably due to a different English translation. As for the brainwashing, there were other soldiers who participated willingly in the revolt.


 * Sigh, whatever, Bluerock. --97.96.142.107 23:47, June 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's standard practise, just saying. Indenting it at a different degree to the previous comment provides easier readability. You will notice that most people do this, except maybe new editors. --Bluerock 08:55, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Related videos module forum post
Hi there, I wanted to make sure you saw my post here. Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers, Sarah (help forum | blog) 17:07, June 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Speaking of video modules, is the new related videos module going to include the capacity to use links besides those from Youtube? I'm asking because I tried to upload the GameTrailers version of the Konami Pre-E3 Show onto the Konami site, but the link apparently prevented the upload of a video (the add video button was stuck). Weedle McHairybug 17:20, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep you will be able to use any supported video sites and any videos you find on the video wiki. We are working to get more video content partners now and hope to have more there soon. Let me know if you have any other questions! Sarah (help forum | blog) 18:52, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not the one who created the "unknown" status in this wiki!
It was in place in Sokolov, Raikov, McGolden and Python's pages years ago. As far as I know, the only characters whose fates have been questioned to date are McGolden (due to vanishing without a trace), Turner (due to being listed as MIA at the end of Snake's Revenge) and Pacifica (due to Snake saying no one knows if she's dead). I personally think Pacifica is dead though. She landed head first into the ocean after falling like 200 feet. That kind of fall did kill every member of Bravo Team in MGS2. As for McGolden, I'm not sure. He could have gone into hiding after finding out his neighbor was kidnapped. If you think he's deceased, you can change his status. --68.45.180.34 18:31, June 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, for as long as I've edited here, the unofficial policy was not to state anything in-universe if it was unknown (discussed on various talk pages with previous admins). I definitely agree on this for characters who die at the player's discretion like Python, but an exception could be made in some circumstances like Paz and McGolden. What I personally think of McGolden's fate is irrelevant since it was left ambiguous. In the meantime, I and other users plan to write up some manual of style guides for the wiki to avoid any further confusion in the future. --Bluerock 19:36, June 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * As I said, when I first edited here, the "unknown" status was already in the pages I mentioned. Someone else put them in those pages. Not me. Also, please do write up those manual of style guides. --97.96.142.107 23:50, June 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know the status was being used at some point but we put a stop to most of it quite a while back. Unfortunately, these sorts of policy changes were not recorded for ease of reference so an MoS guide would be most useful for this. --Bluerock 09:01, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

What could be considered a main section in Rosemary's page?
I'm not sure myself. You should do the edits because that silent guy will simply revert mine. 76.116.65.4 00:08, June 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Main subheadings, i.e. biography, behind the scenes, etc. I'll make the changes. --Bluerock 02:28, June 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks! It's hard to take things to the talk page because Omega Fighter never says a word. That's why I talk to you instead since you are the only active admin. --76.116.65.4 12:34, June 10, 2012 (UTC)


 * It may be hard, but the alternative is just edit warring, which is never productive. --Bluerock 14:02, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Ammo case photos in Portable Ops and Portable Ops Plus.
Hi.

I was wondering about something: Can you upload the images of the various ammunition case artwork from Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops and Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops Plus? If not, can you at least direct me to the place where you got the images pertaining to the menu artwork of various weapons and equipment so I can do it myself without having to use my digital camera? Weedle McHairybug 14:59, June 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for uploading the images. Keep up the good work. Weedle McHairybug 20:36, June 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * No prob. I have a lot of images saved on my PC but I only upload them if there's a need, rather than for the sake of it. Just ask if your looking for a certain pic and I'll see if I've got anything close. --Bluerock 21:50, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Please Help Me Delete These Pages
Hey Blue can you do me a favor please? I changed the name of one of my pages that I created, the "Template:MPO+ stats" page, to the "Template:MPO+ Unique Character stats" page; thinking that I would have make another Template page for the regular characters in Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops Plus. I found out that I didn't need to create the page and tried to change the name back but couldn't. Can you please delete this page and all of it's redirects so I can start over?

MGS-1987-FOREVER!!!! Big_Solid_Boss 18:23, June 27, 2012 (UTC)

Interrogation.
I thought it was referring to an alarm because that's what the Radio frequency/interrogation FAQ stated on GameFAQs. My mistake, I won't trust him again.

Here's the source:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/914828-metal-gear-solid-3-snake-eater/faqs/34049

In fact, every interrogation line from Snake Eater, save for the EVA and Raikov interrogations, and to a lesser extent the AC!D codes, were from that FAQ.

Weedle McHairybug 17:33, July 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * He probably just made a mistake through assumption. I have tried it before and no alarm was raised, which I believe was on the Normal difficulty setting. --Bluerock 18:00, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Hi.

I'm trying to add in something to Gray Fox's article, but for some reason, I can't add it because of an "extension hook." Do you know what that means, and if so, how do I fix it? I would have added it in yesterday, but I was having some computer problems due to a blackout. Weedle McHairybug 11:13, July 11, 2012 (UTC)


 * What exactly are you trying to add? I've never heard of this problem before so not sure how much help I can be. --Bluerock 18:45, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Never mind, the problem's been fixed. Apparently one of the titles was long enough to cause a hangup on the page, which necessitated one of the image files to be moved. Weedle McHairybug 23:11, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Video Game Olympics
Hello, my name is Nic and I'm a member of the Wikia Development Team. We are going to be running a Video Game Olympics promotion, where we determine which game characters would be most suited to win certain Olympic events. A character from your wiki has been selected as one of the participants of this promotion. In order to promote this, we would like to add a participant badge to your main page in the top right column. Would you be willing to participate in this promotion? It's totally up to you whether or not you add the badge. Please respond accordingly. Thanks. - Wagnike2 (talk) 16:51, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

Checking in
Hi ther, It's technobliterator, I'm just checking in to see how you're doing and stuff. Is there anything I can work on regarding standard layouts and the like? KLike, making ones for new types of pages, or editing articles so that they fit in with the layout?Technobliterator 10:09, July 24, 2012 (UTC)

MGS2 underwater mines
Hi. I was wondering if you could try to upload some pictures of those underwater mine obstacles in Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, please. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:39, July 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do. --Bluerock (talk) 12:26, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Got a clue?
Hi. After years I saw this pic again and I guess it was for Pause Screen of Arsenal Gear in MGS2. Are you sure it's related to Hindu mythology? And what is the relationship between Arsenal Gear and this pic? Thanks. Cold Hotman 12:02, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * See here. --Bluerock (talk) 12:19, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

helloAztec 1 (talk) 20:39, August 11, 2012 (UTC)

jhon.nextar 07:02, August 19, 2012 (UTC)hey admin.i am new to this though i find this wikia not so working out .u should create a new wikia which more people willbe ingterested in.so pls make an edit to this wikia.make it interestingjhon.nextar 07:02, August 19, 2012 (UTC)aka jhonjhon.nextar 07:02, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

hey can u go to the chat pls

Hi, Bluerock. I finished playing MGS4 a few days ago and there are two things that are really confusing me (specially the first one):


 * The light that is patched to Old Snake's M4 Custom turns off a second after I turn it on.


 * I saw the promotional video of Praying Mantis PMC in which a giant mantis chases after a guy trying to escape with a motorcycle, but the other PMCs' promotional videos weren't played in the process of the game.

I finished the game on Solid Normal.

I appreciate your help. Cold Hotman 21:46, September 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * The flashlight that can be attached to multiple weapons is used for dazzling opponents, rather than illuminating environments. It will throw off their aim if they are in close range (I know this, because I've had it done to me personally on several occasions in Metal Gear Online).


 * The PMC ads are only seen at the opening of the game (the second of the two commercials), but they are all shown on different "TV stations"; you can switch the channel using the D-pad (I also didn't realize this on my first playthrough). Alternatively, you can wait for the Start Menu sequence to finish (Snake in the graveyard), after which the Konami logos will appear and then one of the PMC ads will be shown at random.


 * --Bluerock (talk) 07:55, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, but if you push the start button during the gameplay and select the weapon menu, when attaching the light to M4 Custom, it hints that the item (light) will also be used for dark areas. I think it's more natural that the light attached to the gun turns on/off only with player's order not on itself. Maybe the player wants to use the light rather than Solid Eye's night vision.

I just wanna know that if you have experienced the same thing when playing MGS4. Did your M4 Custom (or any other guns that use light) have the same malfunction like mine? Cold Hotman 11:09, September 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * The same thing happens for me, yes. I don't believe that it is a malfunction, and is probably an intentional design. I agree though, it would have been better to have also had a toggle on/off function. --Bluerock (talk) 12:24, September 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank God, man. Thanks. I thought that it was a software glitch that only happens to me. Now you say that it happens to you, too, I'm sure that it's not a glitch. BTW, there's a toggle on/off function for light-featured weapons in MGS4. If you hold the R2 button while selecting a light-featured weapon and then push the Square button, the light will turn on/off, but it will turn off a second later. Cold Hotman 14:00, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Bluerock. Is there a Software Infobox on this wiki that we can use it in Fox Engine article? Cold Hotman 17:20, October 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't believe that there is one, though it shouldn't be too difficult to create one. Do you know of any examples that would be appropriate? --Bluerock (talk) 09:53, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Why not. Just take a look at Unreal Engine or Havok (software) on Wikipedia. Cold Hotman 13:09, October 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi, Bluerock. I wanted to add a Infobox to Fox Engine article but there's none. Could you make one? Cold Hotman 14:10, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * I made this template. Let me know if there any problems with using it. --Bluerock (talk) 19:38, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's working, Thank you! Cold Hotman 07:16, November 9, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Bluerock. Do you know how to defeat Gear Rex in MGS: Peace Walker? I've done 127/128 side missions but only the last one remaines (fighting Gear Rex on top of the Mother Base). Cold Hotman 14:23, October 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's a tough mission, so I suggest you go co-op on that one. Would help to have the bandana and some missile launchers, along with currys and rations. --Bluerock (talk) 16:38, October 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Bandana... You mean I shouldn't wear helmet on that mission?


 * I got another question and I appreciate your help. Why PMC soldiers in MGS4 recognize Snake even though he uses local rebels' clothes? Cold Hotman 20:03, October 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I meant wear the infinity bandana, a special item which you may need to unlock. You can wear the helmeted battle dress uniform with it. As for the disguise in MGS4, the PMC soldiers will fire on rebel soldiers regardless. Unless you mean the rebels themselves are firing at you, in which case you will have to regain their trust somehow. --Bluerock (talk) 20:25, October 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Correct. But if you notice, the PMC soldiers go to alert mode (red colored 99.99 appears on top of the screen) when catching Snake on sight, even though he is using local rebels' clothes! And they start attacking Snake by calling back up units. They even look for Snake's hiding location. It seems like that they flagged him. No matter if he wears rebels' clothes, they treat him differently from the others! You can play some initial parts of Act 1 and examine it. Cold Hotman 21:19, October 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's just the nature of the gameplay. The player being spotted by PMCs will always trigger Alert Mode. The disguise is only useful for bypassing rebel soldiers if Snake is already on bad terms with them. I agree, it would have been better if the PMCs simply fired on you as they do any other rebel, but the game penalizes you whenever you get spotted by the enemy, disguise or not. --Bluerock (talk) 21:28, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Bingo! You just got what I meant. But when I think now, I guess Kojima wanted the player to feel the heat of the battlefield like other soldiers do. If the PMC soldiers were to treat Snake like others, then the Act 1 and 2 could be done in a very short time without any excitement. Cold Hotman 21:41, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Bluerock. In an interview, Kojima stated: "About Metal Gear Solid 5, I can tell you two things...There will be much question of infiltration, espionage and convince people to give you "a favor" in the last MGS."ref Did he mean MGS: Peace Walker or MGS4 or even MGS: Ground Zeroes? Cold Hotman 12:09, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Bluerock. Could you please add some information to Plot section of MGS: Ground Zeroes article? You can use the PAX Prime 2012 trailer for that. Cold Hotman 13:07, October 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll see what I can do later on today. --Bluerock (talk) 15:03, October 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * On second thought, I'm going to leave it until more details are released. We really don't know what the overall plot is yet. --Bluerock (talk) 21:02, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Bluerock. I remember a scene from MGS3 in which Volgin tortured Eva with his electrical power and some things like purple circles appeared on her legs. What did that mean? Cold Hotman 14:06, November 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * The electricity simply burned holes in the tights she was wearing. --Bluerock (talk) 14:25, November 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I got another question. Why can't we upgrade Metal Gear Wiki's article editing system like Wikipedia? Cold Hotman 14:29, November 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * You'll have to be more specific. If you're talking about Wikia's system itself, I have no control over that. --Bluerock (talk) 14:40, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Bluerock. What just happened to this file (4th one)? Cold Hotman 17:54, December 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * It was deleted by Wikia staff member Semanticdrifter, as shown in the log below.


 * Deletion log
 * 16:42, December 3, 2012 Semanticdrifter deleted page File:Eric Bossick & Kojima.jpg (No license: Violating Terms of Use/ Privacy)


 * --Bluerock (talk) 07:07, December 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I know, but why? All the images on this wiki are License Left, aren't they? Can I upload that file again? Cold Hotman 09:45, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Bluerock. I was reading the MGR: Revengeance article @ wikipedia and I noticed that the game has different versions (current version is 1.01) and it can be updated. The Q is what are these updates for? Cold Hotman 09:01, February 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Updates could be anything from patches for fixing bugs, to adding trophy support for games like MGS4. --Bluerock (talk) 18:41, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Bluerock. Where in the MGS4 can I hear the "Love Theme"? Cold Hotman 13:24, February 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's the vocal track that's sung in Hebrew, which appears in several places, such as the opening Middle East cutscene, and the microwave corridor scene, and a small part is heard during the Act title screens. --Bluerock (talk) 13:34, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Bluerock. There was a CQC technic in MGS4 named "cruch grab", I think. I wanna know how to perform it. Cold Hotman 14:15, February 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * You need to hold up a soldier, approach him from the front and pat him down for weapons/items, using triangle when the on-screen prompts appear. On the last one, Snake will grab his groin and render the soldier unconscious (except for the female Haven Soldiers). --Bluerock (talk) 13:26, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Bluerock. Could you please use the Wikipedia's game engine infobox as a model for our own site? I need it. Cold Hotman 13:02, February 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Is this template not suitable? --Bluerock (talk) 13:26, February 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * It has some glitches like "genre" section doesn't read as "Type" in the actual article. Cold Hotman 15:15, February 28, 2013 (UTC)

Can we use it?
Hi Bluerock. I got some news about MGS5. Can we add it to the article?

http://gamingbolt.com/metal-gear-solid-5-release-date-summer-2013-by-earliest

It's Weedle McHairybug's opinion:

"Given the fact that it's at least stated by a Konami staffer and not simply a blogger, It at least warrants a mention. You might have to ask Bluerock if mentioning it is allowed or if it is speculation, though, since I might be mistaken."

Cold Hotman 14:12, August 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * As long as it is stated that the comments are from a motion capture actor, and that it is by no means official confirmation, then a brief mention should be ok (with the source referenced of course). --Bluerock (talk) 20:10, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Is there a way that people be able to talk privately or send PMs, on this wiki? Cold Hotman 19:34, August 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, if you both go on the wiki's Chat you can privately message each other. --Bluerock (talk) 09:22, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Hi Bluerock. Is there a way to lock one or more articles, so only a few trusted users can edit it like they do on Wikipedia. So we can protect important articles from vandalism. Cold Hotman 14:26, September 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * I can lock some articles to unregistered users if it's absolutely necessary, or ban certain users who are persistently vandalising. Are there specific instances where you think such action would be appropriate? --Bluerock (talk) 16:51, September 4, 2012 (UTC)


 * Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes page is getting hit hard these days and we have to undo or re-edit multiple cases of vandalism per day. You can take a look at its history page. Cold Hotman 19:18, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Raiden article references glitch.
Hi. I tried addressing it on the Raiden talk page a few weeks ago, but no one responded.

Anyways, the references tag in the Raiden article are not working for some reason. Can you find out what is the problem? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:44, August 25, 2012 (UTC)

Image upload problem.
Hi. I tried to upload an image, but it sort of came up with a redlink (long story short, it took a long time to upload, I had to close it down and then try to reupload it, only to discover that it was already uploaded, and when I refreshed the page, it was a redlink). Care to fix it?

Here's the image link:

File:0b2a8bd91759e5b4 l 2.jpg

Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:46, August 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I cannot locate this particular file. Try and reupload it under a different name, see if that works. --Bluerock (talk) 13:42, August 27, 2012 (UTC)

UN UFO investigations.
Hi. Recently, I and anon 76 (aka Balliscolta) had gotten into a dispute regarding when exactly the event mentioned in the Grenada tape took place. He claims 1974 due to Peace Walker taking place during that time. I thought it was 1977 due to it being the real life date for the event. I was wondering if you and Fantomas will settle the issue for us. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:34, September 6, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not Balliscolta. --76.116.65.4 13:11, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Title change
Hi. Could you please change this article's title to Metal Gear Solid 5 (disambiguation) Cold Hotman 19:28, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

Paz's survival
How did she manage to survive falling head first into the Atlantic Ocean from a height of 100 feet? 76.116.65.4 21:01, September 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Only Kojima would know that. Nanomachines maybe? :) That conversation in Peace Walker, regarding her possible survival, always seemed like a story setup for bringing her back at a later date. --Bluerock (talk) 21:09, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Hey no problem! I just like to add whatever I can to make metal gear wiki the best there is and spread its awesomeness

1 of your.......fans
Hey Bluerock you might not remeber me but we discussed why raiden had no arms when he reappeared in MGS4 & why you like gray fox over Ninja Raiden? & that i was making metal gear rex in littlebigplanet? well ill be making a new account soon do to me abandonning my old account......some of my friends where jerks you will know me now as......Deepthroat.....No? How does Mr.X Work for you?184.63.178.171 12:14, September 26, 2012 (UTC)Mr.X


 * Yeah, I remember. Use whatever name works for you, not sure if any of them have already been taken though. --Bluerock (talk) 12:43, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

Mr.X
As Soon as i get it activated i chose Mr.X101 because i found out what deepthroat means......Ew.184.63.178.171 01:58, September 27, 2012 (UTC)Mr.X101


 * Lol! I'm sure the Watergate Scandal pseudonym predates that particular definition, but that's what most young folk today think of when they hear the phrase. --Bluerock (talk) 09:37, September 27, 2012 (UTC)

im not sure if you know yet but in Littlebigplanet2 you can make movies & i was wondering if you wanted me to make "BlueRockSolid" lol IDK y but i figured y not to test my skills basically its a movie of Metal Gear Solid for PS1 with you replacing snake*& i replacing gray fox for....IDK i just feel like it* i want to test my movie making skills & my memory skills of the game i was thinking i could post it on youtube & my page but what do you think (you look like your pic the fox thing) so what do you think + its a perfect way to showcase the metal gear i made what do you think?184.63.178.171 11:34, September 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a good idea, but I'd prefer it if you didn't use my username, if that's ok. Look forward to seeing the Metal Gear that you made. --Bluerock (talk) 13:39, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Actually to be honest using you as the main character sounded like a good idea at first but since i made a bitchin young snake costume & some awsome MGS1 Charactr costumes which i poured my heart into i have decided to get back to the basics & have snake as the main Character. hope thats cool plus without snake it doesnt feel the same.184.63.178.171 18:19, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

overuse of "sans"
does every use of "without" really need to be replaced with "sans"? it was only used in games as as part of the name of big boss' pmc, using it to replace "without" unless referring to msf is really unnessesary.Malice419 (talk) 05:35, October 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * It's down to the editor's preference really as they're interchangeable. I haven't noticed an "overuse" of it, to be honest. --Bluerock (talk) 07:47, October 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * ive noticed it on several pages e.g the metal gear (weapon) page in the section about metal gear raxa i thinkMalice419 (talk) 20:22, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * and i dont think they're interchangable as sans is a different language.Malice419 (talk) 20:24, October 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, there are plenty of foreign words used in everyday English. As I said, it's down to the writer's choice; there's no official preference for one or the other on the site. --Bluerock (talk) 21:14, October 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * thats ok, ijust think it might be confusing to people who dont know that sans means without, i was confused until i looked on the msf pageMalice419 (talk) 03:25, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Spontaneous reflex movements?
So that's what caused Solidus to move. I didn't know they were common in brain-dead people. I would expect them to not move at all. --76.116.65.4 20:18, October 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Spontaneous motor movements have been observed in a number of patients after being diagnosed as brain dead, and can falsely suggest retained brain funtion. You can probably find more info about it online, if you're interested. --Bluerock (talk) 20:36, October 9, 2012 (UTC)


 * Way ahead of you. 76.116.65.4 20:58, October 9, 2012 (UTC)

Liquid Ocelot disbelief.
It's hard to believe that Snake was in disbelief, seeing how he acted as though he did believe that Liquid was indeed possessing Ocelot and did not give any indication of disbelief in MGS2. For instance, when he tells Raiden that he planted RAY with a tracking device when Liquid escaped, he implied that he believed that Liquid was indeed possessing him (stating that Liquid probably gave Ocelot a bogus location to begin with regarding whether Liquid would succeed). That's why it seemed more like he didn't know. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:00, October 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * Snake would still wonder HOW and WHY the deceased Liquid is residing in Ocelot, even if he accepted that Ocelot exhibited a seperate Liquid-like personality. He just doesn't have the full picture; you're wording made it seem like he had never met this Liquid persona before. --Bluerock (talk) 18:10, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Knowing abort code.
You're right in regards to knowing the abort code in itself is not indicative of being a skilled programmer. However, knowing an abort code and yet the person who actually created the AI pod that the abort code was supposed to be in (Strangelove) doesn't even know it seems to leave little room for doubt about whether Coldman programmed it in or not. I can't think of any other explanation as to how Coldman would know the code and yet Strangelove, the actual creator of the AI pod, and thus the one who most likely did the brunt of the programming at the very least, would not have known the abort code (especially seeing how it was implied that Strangelove programmed a large percentage of the AI pod by herself due to the absence of any programmers in the AI lab cutscene). Now, if you can give an alternate explanation for it, please, let's hear it. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 11:39, October 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Selecting a unique passcode for a computer system does not require one to actually program in the passcode function. Strangelove may very well have input this particular system, with Coldman merely selecting the code for it, which would only be known to him. --Bluerock (talk) 11:56, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Help
some jerkwad deleted my edit on the raging raven page his user name's Omega Fighter please help if it helps suspend his user for vandilisim.

Thanks
That was a preset message. :) I'm contributing here now since I'm a big fan of the Metal Gear series. I'm normally on GTA Wiki, ready to provide info for the new GTA V and I'm a patroller there. For the sake of it, I'll provide new info here for MGS: Ground Zeroes and Revengence and, of course, keep this Wiki clean and reliable for any MGS fan.

Tony (talk) 01:25, October 26, 2012 (UTC)

Whats up uhh
until i activate my profile here is my guest profile page to leave messages make sure to save or bookmark the link. http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:184.63.178.171?redirect=no 184.63.178.171 22:10, October 26, 2012 (UTC)You know who

my thoughts
i believe that the stealth element will be back in the next game i believe revengeance's "Lighting bolt action" is because they're just trying somthing new & i believe they will go back to what the fans love after that see what they think of the new thing they tried.184.63.178.171 16:22, October 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * We can be sure that Ground Zeroes will be stealth focussed, as the trailer showcased. Revengeance will be a completely different style to the regular series. The two games are being made in parallel by different developers, so I do not think they will change back and forth between styles if either were to have a sequel. --Bluerock (talk) 19:28, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

also you can help
can you find me a complete Metal Gear Solid (PS1) or the Twin Snakes version without comentary? i can't remeber enugh of the game to make my LBP2 adaption of MGS so if you can please post the link either here or on my guest talk page.

PS:also what's yur PSN Tag? mine is Ultimateninja111 if you wanna play with me or friend me....are you okay with telling me yours?184.63.178.171 16:06, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Question.
Does a method of reverse-engineering something that completely wiped a computer system to recover said computer system (like Emma Emmerich's Worm Cluster and Snake and Otacon's method of recovering the Patriots' names via the worm cluster) exist? I'm thinking of doing something like that for my computer after it was wiped, despite the guy hinting that he won't need to wipe it after that virus attack. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:01, November 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure I follow. You're computer has been wiped, or the guy has yet to wipe it? Do you have virus scan software that picked up the virus and deleted/quarantined it? Did you try a System Restore via Control Panel to restore your system to an earlier checkpoint (assuming one was automatically generated or created by yourself)? Sorry, I'm not much of a techie, so not sure how much help I can give. --Bluerock (talk) 00:53, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * My computer, after it was taken in on October 12 due to a virus attack that prevented it from loading, was wiped of its hard drive, despite the main person at the computer shop stating that he didn't need my backup drive to fix the computer and store my files. That resulted in all my files and emails being deleted. I want to make sure I can restore them, and I figured Otacon and Snake's usage to restore the Patriots names via Emma's worm cluster, if such a method exists, would probably benefit me in restoring them. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:07, November 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I really wouldn't know how to do that. My sibling once deleted files from their computer entirely (i.e. the files were not sent to the Recycle Bin), but was somehow able to restore the majority of them through research on the internet. I'm not very confident such a method could be done for a complete hard drive wipe though, as I assume any "remains" of the data regarding the files' deletion will no longer be on your PC. --Bluerock (talk) 01:42, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wasn't what Emma's worm cluster did effectively a full hard drive wipe? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:52, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't remember at the moment whether it was a full wipe or not, but the circumstances are different in your case. Emma's was a worm program that was coded to remove certain data, whereas I assume the data on your hard drive was manually removed, indiscriminately, in one step. Therefore, the two situations aren't exactly comparable, from my understanding anyway. --Bluerock (talk) 02:00, November 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm planning on having at least most of my files restored tomorrow (Shouldn't be too hard. When my system was wiped, my hard drive was at max capacity, and its current state, even with the files I saved, is not close to the amount needed for it to max out, and I deliberately stopped saving files (office documents, pictures, I even refrained from using Microsoft Outlook. The only real exception to this was audio files for school (and that's only because I wasn't sure whether I should save them on my backup drive, and I didn't wish to save them on my Laptop). Any non-audio related stuff I had to do for school I used my flash drive to work on) to ensure that I at least get most, if not all of my files back.) If I do get them back in some form, I'll make sure I finish that Metal Gear Online items project (I had to delay the project because of School related stuff before my computer crashed), after I've backed any (if they are retrieved) retrieved files, of course, and assuming the Online stuff is back. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:05, December 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Bad news. The Solid State Drive pretty much can't allow for the files to be retrieved, meaning they are either erased or stuck. Effectively, that means the MGO stuff will either have to be significantly postponed until a potential future event where they do develop a means to retrieve files from a solid-state drive, or may never happen. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:01, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry to hear that, but don't worry too much about the MGO stuff. Images are nice to have but not absolutely essential. Thanks for the previous work you've done. --Bluerock (talk) 00:39, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, and thanks for not getting upset. Luckily, I had my solid state drive cloned so that in the event that they do invent a method to retrieve files from solid state drives, I'll be ready to retrieve them, and possibly allow myself to finish up. Then again, that's probably even assuming that I'll still be editing this wiki or having anything to do with Metal Gear. Recently, I'm not sure whether I should continue with the franchise, given that it is becoming increasingly anti-American in nature, especially given Peace Walker. I admit we have our flaws, but there's a difference between simply pointing out we have flaws and effecting making us out to be irredeemably flawed, which the latter unfortunately seems to be where it's headed since at least Metal Gear Solid. I was born in America, and I wouldn't dream of wanting to effectively become anti-American, especially not of the Bill Ayers caliber or the Jane Fonda caliber. I've also witnessed several Metal Gear fans apparently espousing a lot of insults towards America, so I'm not sure whether to continue with the franchise. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 08:51, December 27, 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think the U.S. has been presented as irredeemable evil in the series, especially not with the ending of MGS4. The recent games are set during the height of the Cold War with an anti-Western protagonist (Big Boss), so it is natural that upcoming storylines will reflect that. Other fans are entitled to their own opinions; don't let your disagreement with them spoil Metal Gear for you though. --Bluerock (talk) 12:21, December 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, he was certainly Pro-Western during most of Snake Eater until his killing of The Boss, but yeah, I see your point. It's not just the Cold War-era games that seem to be a problem though. Even Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, Metal Gear Solid, and Metal Gear Solid 2 had somewhat anti-western themes to it. The first MGS, for example, effectively had the US Government creating a doomsday weapon that subverted MAD, and also depicted the US military as being pretty much the bigger bad. Though I'll try not to let it spoil it if that's what it takes. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:56, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Background image update
Hi Bluerock. As you've probably noticed, the recent change to the Wikia skin added a gap to the top of the page between the global navigation bar and the top of the content area (wiki logo, wiki navigation). This has resulted in the white middle area of the background being visible. I saw that you uploaded the current background image, so I was wondering if you still had the image you used to make the background (or could link me to where you got it) in order to update the background image. If you do know where the original image is, I would be happy to update the background. JoePlay http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/joeplayground/images/a/a5/WikiaStaff2.png (talk)  21:29, November 5, 2012 (UTC)


 * Just to follow up... Soul reaper uploaded a new version of the background image (with a smaller middle white area). I had to make a minor edit to Wikia.css for it to appear. If you still see white in the gap at the top, purge your browser cache using Ctrl+F5. JoePlay http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/joeplayground/images/a/a5/WikiaStaff2.png (talk)  16:13, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Ya its me me
i just gave up and now im using my old account again just wanted to tell you.Ultimate ninja master (talk) 07:24, November 6, 2012 (UTC)Wtf they can see my footprints!?

Mainpage Fix
Hey there Bluerock!

My name is Jorge and I am on Wikia's Community Development team. I noticed while adding some assets that, when the right-rail ad is the longer version, the main page of the Metal Gear wiki becomes pushed down, squishing itself and making it basically unreadable. This is relatively easily fixed by putting in left-column and right-column tags. This would change the mainpage a little, but it would stop the content from looking terribly broken. I'm happy to fix this for you, I just wanted to ask permission before working on it.

Also, since the recent changes to Wikia's spacing between the content and the global navigation bar, it looks like the skin is missing a slight amount of color at the middle/top, creating a weird white line across the top. I'm also happy to fix this for you if you like.

Just let me know if it's alright with you and I'll get started on both of this ASAP! Also, let me know if you have any other suggestions or input. Just leave me a message on my talk page!

Best, Jorge (profile)•(talk) 22:27, December 7, 2012 (UTC)

Interview and Preview
Hey there Bluerock!

I just wanted to point out the interview and preview for Revengeance I recently did. I thought they might be worth including in the News section of the main page, since they offer some insight into the game. Just an offer.

Best, Jorge (profile)•(talk) 22:53, December 11, 2012 (UTC)

Kojima's editing.
Hi.

Apparently Hideo Kojima just took over the wikia and is now a member. I don't know if its actually him or not. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:34, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course it's not him. For one thing, Kojima isn't that good at English, for another, why on Earth would he suddenly come here? It's just some idiot--Soul reaper (talk) 01:53, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Dang. He pretty much confirmed he is him when I asked for confirmation, and I asked for favors. Well, I won't make that same mistake again. I'll immediately assume any editor who is claiming that he or she is some famous person is not him without any doubts. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:03, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised you actually took this user at his word. I've blocked the username "Hideo Kojima" since no one should be impersonating other people here. --Bluerock (talk) 02:15, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I had to make sure I ask before assuming anything first, at least. As I said, I won't make that mistake again. The next time someone does this, whether its impersonating as Kojima or some other famous person, I'll ask them to supply proof of their identity, like how that DOD official requested for Big Boss to verify his identity with proof besides his name. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:18, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Wiki Skin
Hey Buerock, I'd like to help but I need to see the problem for myself. If you could take a screenshot that would help.--Soul reaper (talk) 05:57, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean. I still have the original files so I'll see what I can do. In regards to the GameNav issue. I'm planning to try a few things to make things fit a little better. I'm hoping to reduce the space the names take up to at least two lines. However, this may require some changes to the current names. I'd like to avoid abbreviations such as MGS or MGR. Do you have any ideas or preferences? I may try using subtitles such as Sons of Liberty.--Soul reaper (talk) 00:21, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Warwolf001 (talk) 13:05, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

OK, Sorry about that

Konami and Official Status?
Hey there Bluerock!

I come bringing what I hope is great news! Wikia has been talking with Konami and Konami is interested in forming a partnership or sorts with you all and giving you "Official Wiki" status. We hope this spawns special opportunities and assets for you folks too. Of course the wiki will always remain in the hands of the community. Anyway, before we try to secure anything like that, we want to check if you and the community even think this is a good idea. Feel free to talk it out with your fellow admins and let me know at your convenience.

Best, Jorge (profile)•(talk) 21:38, January 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * We first need to verify if this is actually Konami that Wikia has been talking to before we make any decisions regarding their gaining control of this site. The last time someone claiming to represent Konami, specifically Kojima, tried to act as though he owned the site, we banned him after deducing that he was impersonating them. I'm somewhat doubtful, as I don't want to end up tricked again. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:44, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Warwolf001 (talk) 14:00, January 12, 2013 (UTC)Warwolf001Warwolf001 (talk) 14:00, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Why do you keep doing that? saying my pages needs to be cleaned up? its fine the way it is i am trying to keep this professional. but i am getting a little annoyed with this.

The header for the site
Hey, Bluerock. Could you change the header for the site? It has been inaccurate for a while (especially concerning Metal Gear Solid: Rising). I've been meaning to bring this up for a while. Thanks. Omega Fighter (talk) 17:27, January 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by the "header"? --Bluerock (talk) 17:32, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

I just checked. Never mind. The outdated header which says "Metal Gear Wiki - Metal Gear Solid Rising, Metal Gear Solid Peace Walker, Metal Gear Solid 4 and more" still appears on my computer for some reason. Sorry about that, Bluerock. Omega Fighter (talk) 17:49, January 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah ok. --Bluerock (talk) 17:54, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Foreign language Metal Gear wikis
Hello. I've compiled a list of foreign-language Metal Gear wikis, some of which aren't linked to this wiki. I'd like to ask your permission to have them linked- check it out here if you get some time please. Thank you! Elecbullet (talk) 03:35, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Game Guide App Curation
Greetings Bluerock!

Wikia is excited to launch our Game Guides app very soon. The app features access to tens of thousands of wikis and their excellent content. As a popular wiki with a treasure trove of information, we think the Metal Gear wiki would be a great candidate for one the first curated games on the app! But first, we need your help. The Game Guide apps thrives on excellent categorization and a little bit of admin curation. Visit this page to learn more about curating your presence on the Game Guide app: http://preview.mira-test.wikia.com/wiki/Help:GameGuide.

If you have any questions or need assistance curating the content for the app, please let me know and I will happily help you organize it. Just leave me a message on my talk page!

Best, Jorge (profile)•(talk) 19:00, January 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey Bluerock! Looks like you might have missed this message. Just FYI, I'll likely start curating around Monday. Feel free to chip in! Jorge (profile)•(talk) 19:20, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Game Infobox improvements
Hi, Bluerock. Game Infobox needs some improvements. Please add Director and Producer sections to it, I need them for Ground Zeroes. Cold Hotman 12:04, February 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, I've added them in. Currently, "Designer(s)" seems to be used for directors on other game pages, though the original reasoning behind this is unclear (the infobox was created before I joined the site). --Bluerock (talk) 17:50, February 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Why did the next canon game section (MGS5) disappear from the infobox? Cold Hotman 18:38, February 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know, someone must have removed it. --Bluerock (talk) 19:13, February 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's not removed. Go to the editing page of Grounz Zeroes, the MGS5 is still in the next canon game section, but in the actual article there's no sign of it. Cold Hotman 20:05, February 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * The whole Game Infoboxes have lost the next canon game sections (MGS1,2,3,4,...)!! Maybe the changes that I suggested and you did to infobox caused some malfunctions. I think there's no need to Director and Producer sections, we have them in the Designer(s) section already. Revert the changes if possible, we can use the old infobox. Cold Hotman 07:10, February 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, I've reverted the changes and the "nxtcanongame" field has now reappeared. I don't know why adding the two other fields made it disappear though. --Bluerock (talk) 08:28, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Game Guide App
Just wanted to stop in and let you know I've started the curating of the site for the game guide app. In order to make things user-friendly and efficient on the app, I'll be adding some categories here and there on a small number of pages. Hopefully the curation will be completed in the next hour. Raylan13 ( talk ) 01:59, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Done with the initial curation! Raylan13 ( talk ) 03:04, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Beauties' touch causing Snake to catch on fire.
Here's where I found the information:

The Beauty and the Beast Unit

"At the point where they shed their suits, and go into their Beauty forms, they would reach for Snake's embrace, with pseudo-sexual, yet lethal effects. How this is done, is never made clear. It would seem, according to Rosemary, that they would attempt to telekinetically force their anguish on Snake, upon physical contact. Otacon mentions in one instance that they would try to burn Snake upon contact, which can literally occur if the player gets them to crawl towards Snake and they touch him, literally setting him ablaze."

Well, that's all I can give you. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 17:30, February 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * That whole section looks like it needs a rewrite to be honest. I guess to be safe in future, we should refer to direct sources if possible, rather than other wiki pages, though I understand this isn't possible for yourself. I'm going to look further into this anyway, as its the first I've heard of it, and there's always the chance I could be wrong. --Bluerock (talk) 17:35, February 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, just checked this with Laughing Beauty, and Snake does literally catch on fire (same animations/effects as normal fire damage). I guess you learn something new everyday, though it's odd that this isn't more widely known. --Bluerock (talk) 17:43, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, tell me about it. I couldn't even find it on youtube despite saying "Beauty burns Snake" on the search. Instead it took me to some videos that depict virtual sex with one of the Beauties (namely Octopus) and also photographing them. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 17:46, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

I guess that was the infamous "white room" then. --Bluerock (talk) 17:54, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Name for eventual Revengeance article(s)
Hi.

As you may already be aware, Rising is soon to be released. I was wondering what we should name the article or even section. Obviously we can't simply name the event "Revengeance," as that's not really a name you give to an event or a series of events. It might work as a preliminary header, but regarding the article or even simply the section, it's not going to work once the game's actually out. Another thing, should we give it an overarching article, or should we make different articles relating to the different events like in Metal Gear Solid 4? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 05:37, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * I really have no idea what it could be called at this point, as I don't know what the overall story is intended to be about, i.e. what is Desperado trying to accomplish throughout all these events, and do they solely evolve around this one group's actions? Obviously, the personal story of the game is about Raiden taking his "Revengeance," but the events are not so much centered around him in-universe, at least from what I can tell. Maybe a title like "Desperado incursions" or something to that effect, until an official event name is given.


 * I would definitely start with just the one article initially, as it can always be split later on if necessary.


 * By the way, are you able to play "Revengeance" when it's released?


 * --Bluerock (talk) 13:29, February 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't have a PS3, so I can't exactly play it. I might buy one so I could make sure I get all the Codec conversations for not only this game, but also MGS2 and MGS4, although don't expect that to be happening anytime soon. Let's hope the White/Medical, Inferno, and Commando armors have descriptions. I'll probably start with the Revengeance changes soon. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:57, February 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, I recommended the plural form, since it concerns multiple events taking place in different countries. --Bluerock (talk) 08:50, February 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Took care of that. We might need to keep the Africa mission a separate article from the other missions, as it's technically different than the events of the overall game (the same way that Virtuous Mission and Operation Snake Eater are two different missions, and especially how the Tanker Incident is different from the Big Shell Incident). Oh, and BTW, the opening is leaked, not too much is different than what was shown in the VGA 2011 trailer, other than obvious design differences between Sam and Raiden, as well as Raiden and Sam actually meeting face-to-face after killing the Desperado soldier (instead, the Prime Minister's vehicle, with Raiden in it, retreated). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:56, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

What's a non military "lieutenant"?
In MGS, Campbell says that Gray Fox was Big Boss' lieutenant. I also heard that word used when describing high ranking members of al-Qaeda killed by drones. 65.211.97.242 17:00, February 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * A lieutenant is just a sub-commander. Basically they take the place of the leader if necessary. Taking it literally, "lieu" means "in place of," and "tenant" means "occupier/holder." --Bluerock (talk) 17:42, February 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. 65.211.97.242 18:17, February 15, 2013 (UTC)

Alexandrovich vs Aleksandrovich
I'll supply you with a video showing it when I have time to record it. However, I will warn you that it will most likely be low quality because I need to record it somehow, and since I don't know how to record directly from my PSP, I'm going to resort to my digital camera. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:13, February 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * That's ok, as long as the name is legible. Actually, I'll find out whether I can "transfar" my HD game to the PSP and seee whether the name displays differently on that system/media, while I still have Zadornov in Mother Base. I'll try it later today. --Bluerock (talk) 13:23, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Weedle, you can buy component cables that allow your PSP to connect to a TV and you can play through that. Now in Australia they're available at EB Games so I'm guessing that GameStop has them in the US, otherwise you can buy them online. Sony makes them but you can buy third party ones to. If you use one you should be able to hook it up to a capture device, or use any recording device that can be used for TVs.--Soul reaper (talk) 13:58, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I transfarred it to PSP but it still lists him as "Aleksandrovich." --Bluerock (talk) 18:00, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, they probably fixed it for the Transfarring version as well. I'll make sure I record or snap a photo of it and upload it when I have the time, since I do own the original PSP version. I'll probably do the latter, now that I think about it, since the former will most likely necessitate youtube just to upload the video. For the record, I'll do a snapshot of the message of his being sent to prison, his stats, and possibly (if it isn't the same) his being resent to prison, and I'll make sure it is the English version. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:04, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Copy of MGR: Revengeance?
Hey Bluerock,

I just want to ask if you own a copy of Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance on the PS3. If now, would you like one? I have a few extras and wanted to see if you wanted one before I find them homes.

Best, Jorge (profile)•(talk) 01:26, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Canard Rotor/Wing
There's an optional conversation with Doktor after you destroy the first one that established that "Canard Rotor/Wing" is the name of the class of aircraft it is, while Hammerhead is the specific model. Should be the first one you get from him after you shoot it down. That rather suggests that "Hammerhead" is the correct name for the article. Evil Tim (talk) 10:14, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * To be specific:
 * Raiden - "That was a Hammerhead, right (...) I know it's the first Canard Rotor/Wing craft to go into general use."
 * Evil Tim (talk) 10:26, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * So by saying it's the first CRW to go into general use, is that implying that it's identical to the one seen in MGS4? Are both unmanned aircraft? --Bluerock (talk) 13:07, February 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's very slightly different (the nose gun arrangement is changed) but that's probably just down to it not being the same model rather than deliberate decision. It's implied by that conversation that it's the same aircraft and has always been called Hammerhead, so I think they're retconning it that CRW is an aircraft class with only one mass-produced example. Evil Tim (talk) 13:12, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Where could this go, if anywhere?
Where could this go, if anywhere?

Hail to the King baby! (talk) 22:13, March 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, I guess it could go someplace where Snake and Otacon's friendship is mentioned, or where the handshake mimicking the Konami code is discussed. As long as it doesn't clutter any sections it should be ok. If not it could go in the image gallery for Snake and/or Otacon. --Bluerock (talk) 13:27, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

When is wikia going to restore actual hyperlinks between active lists and general lists on the Wiki Activity section?
Topic.

Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:24, March 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * You'll have to clarify. What are active lists and general lists? The Wiki Activity section on the right looks as it always has to me. --Bluerock (talk) 21:47, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, up to two days ago, the Wiki Activity had a link called my watchlist (which shows only articles you either watched or actually made edits on) or activity lists (which shows all articles, regardless of whether you actually had a hand in their edits). Since yesterday, that's been gone, at least on my computer. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:23, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

Oh well...
Thought I was doing some good there. Guess not. It's still a surprise that Raikov's similarities to Raiden weren't at least mentioned in-game, since they were supposed to look alike. Just a brief comment would have worked, and would have at least addressed the similarities in-universe, at least. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:36, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Dude, Raikov is mostly a joke character. He was created so people that hated Raiden could beat the crap out of him just for looking like him. What happened to him after Portable Ops and why he looks like Raiden is irrelevant. Also, Boris himself never talks about Gurlukovich. Only Raiden does in a conversation with Courtney. --76.116.66.91 14:15, March 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * I know about the out-of-universe reasons for Raikov's similarities to Raiden (though you're only semi-correct in regards to Raikov being a punching bag in regards to those who hated Raiden. Kojima actually implied that the reasons for making his fate optional in MGS3, or heck why the Raikov mask even existed in the first place was for the benefit of those who liked Raikov, and it may come as a surprise to you, but Raiden, even during MGS2, was actually quite popular in Japan), but there have been plenty of other instances where they actually reference out-of-universe stuff in-universe (eg, Naked Snake's comment about wearing Raikov's full ensemble making himself more popular referencing how Raiden was created to attract more females to the series after a certain fanletter stated that she didn't want to play an old man (referring to Snake), or heck, how Armstrong's line of "Nanomachines, Son" referenced the complaints on MGS4 for the overuse of nanomachines in the plot), which would have been something of a golden opportunity. Anyways, if its true that the Phantom Pain is somehow related to Metal Gear, I doubt we've seen the last of Raikov, seeing how there was a guy on fire who looked just like either him or Raiden (and given the implied setting of the trailer, Raikov's the most likely candidate, as Raiden either wasn't born yet, or is still a kid). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:34, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Spelling
Eh, I've got a British English dictionary installed in Firefox I guess, I kind of depend on it for words like manoeuvrability which have a laundry list of random vowels because they're stolen from French. Didn't realise there even was a US-English variation of that one. Evil Tim (talk) 22:18, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Miscellaneous locations cat
Wanted to let you know that the Miscellaneous locations category was needed in order for those few categorized pages to show up in the gaming app. Raylan13 ( talk ) 00:47, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

Liquid Ocelot's RAY wasn't the one he stole from the Marines?
News to me. The codec conversation with Otacon suggested that it was the same one. --76.116.66.91 20:38, March 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * I also thought that the two were meant to be the same, but looking again at the actual dialogue, it doesn't actually confirm that's the case. It was another user who recently brought it to attention. --Bluerock (talk) 21:02, March 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the quick reply. One more question. How are Mistral and Monsoon "captains"? I had never heard the word used for non-military groups until Rising came out. --76.116.66.91 21:37, March 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * They're a private military group, so they would probably have a similar rank structure. Anyway, you'll find captains in any sort of organization, it's just someone who heads a small team, doesn't have to be military, e.g. football teams (don't know if its the same for American ones). --Bluerock (talk) 23:18, March 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. --76.116.66.91 23:39, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

SAA issue.
Hi. Anon 76 and I are having a disagreement regarding the conclusion of Snake's duel with Ocelot at the end of Snake Eater. I'm trying to add that Ocelot won the duel because that was the option Theater Mode, included in Subsistence, used, but he's removing it and claiming it's speculation. Can you settle it for us? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:53, March 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but we need a conclusion now, since Anon is ignoring my attempts to tell him/her to refrain from reverting the edits I made until you came to a decision. I'll take a ban for failing to prevent an edit war. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:24, March 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * For the record, I am male, Weedle. And I should point out that the novel (which Weedle once insisted was canon) said that Snake won the duel fair and square. --76.116.66.91 16:26, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I did once say that. However, people have said that source materials done directly by the creator are of a higher canon (eg, the games themselves are higher in Canonicity than manuals. Star Wars does something like that), and since that was directly from the game, it would have been more canon than the novel. I think you were one of the people who once said that. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:34, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * I did indeed. Anyway, I'll accept whatever Bluerock decides, just like how I accepted his decision on the B&B members's fate and Gene possibly lying about Coldman planned the nuclear launch of Sokolov's resarch facility. --76.116.66.91 16:36, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * As will I. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:37, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

As you've both discovered, I will not always be available to moderate debates. It is therefore essential that you both open up an adult discussion, and reach a mutual compromise, and in which other editors can provide input. That means an immediate halt to disputed article changes.

It should go without saying, but one should ALWAYS discuss changes to the article content on its TALK PAGE when different interpretations arise, NOT the edit summaries. I've mentioned this on numerous occasions, but I am going to have to implement something like the "3 revert rule," similar to Wookiepedia, in order to prevent edit wars: basically, no more than 3 reverts per user, after which a limited ban will apply. This is not solely a punishment, but a chance for people to cool off and form a proper debate when they return. Now, I haven't banned any users beyond the occasional spammer or vandal, and I don't really want to start, so let's just try to keep it that way.

Regarding this particular point, I have a few thoughts:
 * The duel outcome is more relevant to the event page Operation Snake Eater, not so much a weapon or location page;
 * As discussed, different sources portray different outcomes. Regardless of how the final article content is determined, these varying accounts should be described in "Behind the scenes" (Bts);

Regarding the canonicity of Existence ("Theater Mode"):
 * I'm not sure whether Kojima personally directed Existence (beyond the original MGS3 cutscenes, of course), but assuming that he did, he would have been forced to chose which one of the player-determined options to portray. However, this does not necessarily reflect the game's events. In fact, I've read that Kojima apparently hated it, though I've never seen an actual source for this claim. Either way, he was definitely of the impression that the game should be played, and that it was not a movie, merely another way of experiencing the story (his own words, according to the Subsistence manual). I think based on that alone, the events should still be regarded as up to the individual player's choice, and hence undefined. This is my opinion only, but if there is a general acceptance for this idea, I will consider adding it to the wiki's (delayed, but soon to be in-progress) canon policy.

In summary, what is known for certain is that:
 * Snake and Ocelot dueled;
 * the duel was resolved, with both surviving.

For events such as this, a note in the form of a reference would be useful, to explain why no defined outcome is speculated upon, and notify other editors who may try to elaborate on how events played out.

Please give this some thought.

--Bluerock (talk)



Coolant Spray picture.
Hi.

While I appreciate that we now have a better quality image, I initially posted the image to show how it looked like in the cutscenes. I can move the spray into behind the scenes, but we need an actual HQ image for the cutscene appearance. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:09, March 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Agreed, but as you say, that initial cutscene image wasn't very good quality. I will try and locate another to replace it. --Bluerock (talk) 07:02, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Coldman hating The Boss.
About your edit, I know he plotted for the mission that caused her death, at least, if not plotted for her death. However, smiling and chuckling when revealing this really doesn't give him much points for feeling any positive emotions about The Boss. Knowing how respectable The Boss was, I'm pretty sure if he didn't hate The Boss, he'd at least have felt some regret, or at the very least feel indifferent. Hate seemed to be the best-described emotion in that case. Still, if that's your decision, I'll leave it be. Don't see why he'd smile about killing The Boss like that, especially seeing how she was at least respected to some extent for her legendary status. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:04, March 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * He's smiling and chuckling on a job well done, it doesn't specifically have to be about doing away with The Boss in particular. He only says her beliefs are meaningless, which does not equate to hatred. The CIA had no respect for her in either case, regardless of her previous "legendary" status. You'll see I also removed words like "psychopath" (a personality disorder), and "psychosis" (an abnormal mind condition), which can themselves be difficult to diagnose in real people, and are used too subjectively. --Bluerock (talk) 23:14, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcome ! Unfortunally i'm italian and i can't understand english perfectly but i will do my best to help to improve the wiki ! I need it ! Because now that MGS5 is comin' i have to refresh my memory especially on Peace Walker wich i haven't played !

Can I talk to you on chat real quick?

Semper Fi (talk) 21:58, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Cake mixing
"Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Bluerock (Talk) 01:09, March 29, 2013"

OH THANK GOD YOU'RE HERE, I HAVE THIS HUGE PROBLEM.

You see, I bought a cake mixer, but I think it's broken, it won't plug in and I tried turning it on, what do I do?

New Designs
Hola, recently members of the Wikia Design Team have created a new wordmark and skin that you are free to use. They can be seen and. Feel free to use them if you like. - Wagnike2 (talk) 18:29, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Did you notice?
MGS3 when Big Boss had to kill his mom, he cried, understandable. Years later in Portable ops when one of his friends died he shed a tear Year later again in Peacewalker when one of his friends died he nodded in sadness Years later again(again) in MGSV when one of his friends died in his arms he shrugged it off and pretty much went "Oh that sucks"

Semper Fi (talk) 02:22, March 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * I guess he's just gotten used to it by now. --Bluerock (talk) 11:54, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Where to put the French Foreign Legion?
Hi.

I wanted to find out about something:

I would have placed the French Foreign Legion into the Miscellaneous locations article, but never got the chance.

Anyways, should I create a separate article for the French Foreign Legion, or should I place it in a pre-existing article that you created, like the armed forces or irregular military groups? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:26, April 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Put them in Armed forces, as they're a military service wing of the French Army. --Bluerock (talk) 03:16, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Right hand man
What's a right hand man? In MGS2 and Peace Walker, I heard that term used to describe Ocelot and Miller. Ocelot didn't really seem that close to Liquid but Miller and Big Boss definitely did. 76.116.66.91 21:58, April 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * According to one definition, a right-hand man is "a valuable assistant upon whom one is accustomed to rely." Similar to a lieutenant I guess, though in a less formal manner. --Bluerock (talk) 12:01, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Some Marines survived that?
News to me. Otacon simply said said Ocelot sank the tanker along with the soldiers of the Marine Corps. --76.116.66.91 18:08, April 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, that's the only source I've come across as to their exact fates. Otacon didn't really specify the numbers, he only spoke generally. --Bluerock (talk) 18:14, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Quotes
Hi, I've fixed/edited existing quotes (as welling as adding a few) for some of the characters at the top of their respective pages. While I tried to pick quotes that encapsulates the character's beliefs and speech-type, I'm unsure about Liquid Ocelot's case. I initially picked a different quote until I changed it to the current one, but knowing how nit-picky some people are about his character, I'd just like to ask you if you could check which quote is better for him through his Edit History. DementedP (talk) 11:43, April 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hmm, difficult to decide. I lean more towards the "free from the System" quote, since he references himself in that. Quotes can be tricky; I know that one of our admins, Fantomas, is reluctant to use them, but I don't have too big an issue if they sum up the character well. In the past, I have deleted quotes that just simply mentioned the subject and nothing meaningful. As for Liquid Ocelot's, lets use the previous one for now. If anyone has a problem with it, or can suggest a better example, they can always discuss it on Liquid's talk page. --Bluerock (talk) 12:19, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Comment on MGS2's irony
James Johnson's following statement totally fits with what would happen to Iraq a few years later.

"Johnson : Picture a massive political vacuum, a space that every power-monger will try to fill for their own greedy ends. I'm talking about an unregulated power struggle — panic, civil war... chaos. Like it or not — the Patriots is an organization that must continue to exist."

By invading Iraq, the U.S. did all that and accidentally created an al-Qaeda affiliate.

--76.116.66.91 14:53, April 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * This is actually a pretty common occurrence across many events throughout history. But yeah, the decimation of Iraq's former government, however repugnant, resulted in the chaotic mess it is today. --Bluerock (talk) 15:16, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Could you please unlock the protection from JD?
It's been three and a half years.

http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/JD

--76.116.66.91 13:29, April 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * It has been locked for a long time, I agree. I guess the whole "John Doe" thing has blown over now. While it does make a certain kind of sense that JD could have been inspired by Big Boss's pseudonym, in addition to evoking the same idea of "no identity," it does seem pointless to speculate without direct evidence. Fantomas could have worded the original edit better, but one can understand why he locked it after the abuse he received. Anyway, I'll go ahead and unlock it.


 * On a related note, do you plan to regularly use any of the other accounts you set up (e.g. Donald23, EasyRhino, etc.)? Wikia has some rules regarding multiple accounts, so I'd prefer to remove them if they're not going to be used anyway. I know other people who are a little paranoid about signing up to websites, but having an account will mean that your IP address won't be publicly visible all the time. Just let me know which one you'd prefer to keep, if any. --Bluerock (talk) 18:40, April 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, okay, I'm sorry about that abuse a few years back. I'm bipolar, in case you didn't notice. Anyway, at least you're more fair than Fantomas. You're always willing to compromise. As for the accounts, no I don't plan to use them. You can do what you want with them. --76.116.66.91 20:30, April 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, will do. If it's true you have that condition, don't be surprised if people don't pick up on it, as I don't think anyone could determine that just from internet discussion. Anyway, I'm glad you find I'm fair, and hopefully you understand when I'm firm on some issues too. --Bluerock (talk) 21:00, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

So where and/or how do we mention this character in the MGSV article?


Hi. You removed the Raikov lookalike entry from the character list. I added him in earlier because he looked enough like Raikov that it seemed to warrant a mention, and since they briefly showed him in the VGA trailer (see picture above), it seemed like he was important enough to mention. What should I do to mention the character WITHOUT speculation? Hope E3 manages to answer who these characters are. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:39, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Did he play a significant role in the trailers besides the other tens of soldiers? I suppose he was one of the few who was unmasked, but why claim it's a joke character like Raikov? Maybe call him "unidentified long-haired soldier," or just note him in the trailer description. --Bluerock (talk) 21:09, April 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Did the latter option. Hopefully E3 actually IDs these characters officially, like give them names. Also, Raikov may have been a joke character in the main story of Snake Eater (after all, he was a weak character and an explicit take that against Raiden, no way he can't be a joke character there), but I'm doubtful he was a joke character anywhere else, particularly the online mode of Subsistence and most certainly not in Portable Ops story or online mode, seeing how had pretty decent stats, and was even supplied to the GRU faction player with the highest score in Subsistence (certainly much better than his KGB faction's equivalent, Sokolov, where the player had to have the worst score to play as him). Besides, even if he was a joke character, Johnny Sasaki was also a joke character, yet even he ended up getting a pretty decent role in MGS4, so its not quite enough to dismiss him quite yet. Never said the guy was Raikov beyond any doubt, just said the character looked like him. Oh well, let's hope E3 at the earliest can actually state who that guy is, among others. They'd need to officially unveil the characters sooner or later. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:21, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

So how do we handle this?
The MSX2 stance in canon sections are probably going to be permanently gone. However, how do we handle this? People have often used the whole "Portable Ops not being on the timeline" to imply that the game is not canon. I've also seen some posts that indicate that the MSX2 games aren't canon, and are best just "events." Violet Lee on GameFAQS is a notable example of a user who ascribed to that argument. I'll even find old posts if I have to prove it. My main problem is the MPO is non-canon for not being on that truth timeline argument. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:52, April 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't really think much of the "timeline" arguments myself. The games appear in some, and they don't appear in others. Even if some timeline writers feel that particular games are "less important" as events in the "Metal Gear Solid" saga, and chose to omit them, this does not create contradictions or relate to the canon at all. Omission is not proof of non-existence. I'm still mulling over how we should deal with that section in the MPO article to be honest, as that might actually have something of value to it. --Bluerock (talk) 23:16, April 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * BTW, not that I want to mention the timeline arguments again, but where do you think we should place this as a source? It seems notable enough to mention on at least one of the two articles. http://www.konami.jp/mg/mgsaga.html Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:00, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * But a source for what exactly? I don't really know what can be said about it. Remember that the original MSX2 games are not sold separately (as far as I'm aware) and are included as extras in Metal Gear Solid 3: Substance; most of these timelines seem to be promoting the games themselves simply for marketing purposes, rather than serving as a definitive chronology of the entire series. --Bluerock (talk) 18:09, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, uh, just a mention that the two games were omitted from a timeline in Peace Walker's development in either of the MSX2 articles, or even the Peace Walker article, if needs be. This is the only timeline I'm aware of that has the MSX2 games omitted, so it seemed worthy of noting, but if not, oh well. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:11, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * The MSX2 games were recently mentioned in Revengeance. Hell, in MGS4, Big Boss even says that Snake "erased" him two times before. I'm surprised people think those games are not canon. As for the timeline, to be fair to Weedle, it doesn't mention Metal Gear Solid Mobile for "marketing purposes". --173.169.84.59 21:15, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they were mentioned in MGS4 and apparently Revengeance (BTW, that reminds me, can you post the Codec conversation mentioning the reference to the Outer Heaven Uprising and possibly Zanzibar Land?). Technically, they said that the games are simply "events" but at the same time non-canon, and cited examples such as Snake not knowing what an RC missile was yet talking about some stuff from the games that weren't actually accessible. I mean, even under marketing purposes, it still seems a bit jarring that they aren't even on the timeline. Even the MGS official site at least placed them as a footnote. But, if we can't put it up, I guess we can't put it up. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:42, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Note that the timeline you linked to, Weedle, is very basic anyway, and only lists some of the main games and nothing else. Also, Snake doesn't know what RC missiles are? I know Otacon describes the Nikita missiles to Snake in MGS1, but this is done with all weapons isn't it? --Bluerock (talk) 21:52, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the people who claimed it were thinking more of the instance where Deepthroat contacted Snake regarding bypassing the Electric Floor than the Otacon call. At the very least, he didn't seem to remember his doing that method in Outer Heaven, seeing how he asked Deepthroat when the latter contacted him how to bypass it. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:56, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * That seems pretty far fetched to be honest. Why wouldn't Snake ask how to reach it if he knows Deepthroat has inside information? It doesn't mean he doesn't know about RC missiles. As far as he was aware, there may not have been any conveniently on-site for him to use anyway. --Bluerock (talk) 22:02, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

"As for the timeline, to be fair to Weedle, it doesn't mention Metal Gear Solid Mobile for "marketing purposes"."

- 173.169.84.59


 * Well, that's kind of my point. Mobile isn't as easily accessible or as well known as the main console games, so there doesn't seem much point for Konami to promote that title. --Bluerock (talk) 21:23, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * I was actually trying to say Konami bothering to mention Portable Ops while ignoring Mobile suggests that Portable Ops is canon. It reminds me of the whole "Resident Evil Gaiden is not canon" debate but that's another series. --173.169.84.59 22:25, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah, my mistake. Anyway, the fact that MPO is mentioned there, and the exact same canon argument has been made about that game not being on other timelines, just highlights how silly that whole debate is to me. --Bluerock (talk) 22:35, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think it is silly to debate it as well. Unfortunately, for some reason some people decided to find whatever excuse to claim it is non-canon. Anyways, we may need to get rid of the Canon debates, was probably a bad idea for me to even mention them anyways, even though it was a pretty big debate at least on Gamefaqs. That timeline, though, might need to be mentioned somewhere. Maybe state they omitted the MSX2 games due to them not being released separately? The Metal Gear series article would probably be a good fit, possibly the Peace Walker article as well, since those articles directly relate to the timeline. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:43, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * Maybe the series article would be best, but I don't see what can really be said about the games' omission, as anything would technically be speculation. Perhaps something simple, along the lines of:

"The MSX2 games have sometimes been omitted from timelines representing the series' internal chronology, instead focusing on the more widely known console releases beginning with Metal Gear Solid."

- Example text


 * No need for the Peace Walker article, as it's just stating when it takes place, which is already widely known. --Bluerock (talk) 23:11, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Naomi and Outer Heaven.
Hi.

Naomi actually did side with trying to bring Outer Heaven about. She worked with Liquid Ocelot, and nowhere was it stated or even implied that she planned to backstab Ocelot/EVA for the goal. If anything, considering how Ocelot still managed to claim success in bringing about Outer Heaven despite having most likely watched Naomi's first posthumous video (It was playing on all the screens at GW's chamber, and since GW powered Outer Haven, chances are it would be broadcasting the entire message throughout the ship), its unlikely she was not going to bring it about. Besides, Otacon explicitly mentioned that he was unsure of Sunny's motives for choosing the method of FOXALIVE, meaning it was completely unlikely Naomi simply told her to do it (that in itself would have been a motive). Just noting that. I know some people mentioned her "free the foxes" statement in her posthumous speech as evidence against her being for Liquid's plan, but I've also heard some people use similar rhetoric when freeing wild animals from zoos in public and causing mass chaos as a result, so I doubt that's going to be clear cut proof that she backstabbed Ocelot or did not intend for Outer Heaven, anyway. That, as well as Big Boss effectively mentioning it in his speech to Big Boss regarding their plans to remove the Patriots. Just noting things, though. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:13, April 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * I didn't say she betrayed Liquid Ocelot; considering her background, she most certainly did not want the world of conflict and strife envisioned by Liquid and Big Boss, i.e. Outer Heaven and it would be erroneous to even claim she did. Her only clearly stated goal was to free the world from control by the Patriots. There is no evidence to suggest that she believed Liquid's "Wild West" scenario would come about regarding perpetual warfare.--Bluerock (talk) 21:22, April 17, 2013 (UTC)


 * Did Naomi know all along that Big Boss was alive? She seemed to be shocked about Snake "killing" him. --173.169.84.59 20:37, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure that it was ever made clear how aware she was at that time. Her dialogue in MGS1 seemed to be the official line that Big Boss had been killed in Zanzibar Land. She obtained his DNA for the gene therapy experiments from a strand of his hair and claimed his cells were in cryo-storage. Her shock during her conversation with Snake was at Big Boss being his father. --Bluerock (talk) 20:59, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and besides, Naomi also implied that, besides the obvious revenge motive for Snake sending Gray Fox home to be a cripple, part of her revenge reason for injecting FOXDIE into Snake was because he killed Big Boss, meaning she had to know before injecting him with FOXDIE. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:09, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I remember that. I'm just surprised EVA didn't tell Naomi that Big Boss was alive when she joined her group sometime before Para-Medic's death. --173.169.84.59 21:12, April 18, 2013 (UTC)


 * I suppose it's possible that Naomi could have just feigned ignorance, since no one else knew Big Boss was alive anyway. I think his then-current condition would still have been enough reason for her to hate Snake and want revenge. Anyway, just speculating. --Bluerock (talk) 21:40, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Always happy to expand info on the wiki
I automatically assumed Otacon was referring to Crying Wolf. Not Sniper Wolf. The Wolf crying over her body seems to imply death too. And we can't forget that all of the B&B drop dead after six minutes of fighting when out of their shells. I know there is debate on whether the white rooms are canon though. --68.45.60.81 21:54, April 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * The wolf dog does seem to be "mourning", though maybe it just feels her sorrow? I suppose Kojima deliberately left the BB's fates open enough to allow players to make their own choice and story. Drebin says that Snake cleansed each of the BB's souls (or something to that effect) through fighting them, both after killing them or tranquing them, but whether this means they're no longer prone to dying out of their suits is still up for interpretation. I am indifferent to be honest, as I have no inclination towards one explanation or the other, and I never thought they were particularly interesting characters to begin with. The "white room" seemed like a big joke to me, as I would have thought Kojima smart enough to want players to hesitate to kill them because of their suffering, and not because they look hot. --Bluerock (talk) 22:10, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Whats the rating of this wiki
Do you have to cover up strong strong language like @$$.

Oh and by the way I read your user profile, I like your history with Metal Gear. :) Fortu (talk) 05:45, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Ok, Thank you good sir. Fortu (talk) 14:06, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Game Guides Display
Hello again, as you may or may not know recently Wikia has released a new version of our Game Guides application on both the Apple Store and the Google Play store. We are hoping to target our audiences even further and try to bring this app more to their attention. For this reason, we have created a template promoting our application that we would like to place on your site with your permission of course. The template can be seen here (it shows what it would look like on both a light themed and dark themed wiki). The template would live in the upper-right column of this wiki, right below the advertisement. Please get back to me if it's ok to go ahead and enable this on here. - Wagnike2 (talk) 14:32, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Do one second flashbacks really count as appearances?
Octopus, Cunningham, Elisa and Gene are never mentioned at all in conversations in MGS4. At least Rosemary and her son are mentioned multiple times in codec conversations in Rising. 68.45.60.81 18:35, May 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * They are all appearances of one sort or another. However, the character infoboxes should only be a summary of important info, so they should ideally include only "important" appearances. Everything else can be placed in the full appearance list at the bottom of the article. We should probably form a consensus on what constitutes "important" appearances though, to avoid confusion. I would say to include all direct appearances (whether physical or aural), but also where the characters have an essential role in the game (e.g. Big Boss in MGS1, and The Boss in MPW). So in that respect, I agree that MGS4 should not be included in Decoy Octopus's infobox appearances, but then again, I disagree that Rosemary and her son should have MGR as an infobox appearance. What are your thoughts? --Bluerock (talk) 18:53, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * You're the admin. I'll respect whatever you decide. I only added Rosemary because Raiden mentioned her several times. --68.45.60.81 19:03, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Volgin launchng the nuke
I'm a slow guy so please forgive me for not understanding. I know Gene told Big Boss "did you really think Volgin committed that terrible crime of his own will?" That made me think Coldman forced Volgin to do it. 68.45.60.81 15:29, May 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * I was also initially confused, as the wording makes it seem like Volgin was forced to do it. By handing a nuke over to such a maniac, the CIA (assuming Gene was being truthful) knew he wouldn't resist the chance to try out his "new toy" and blame the defecting Boss. He was certainly ecstatic about using the nuke to cause a major incident and stir up trouble to further his own plans. But in doing so he also carried out the will of the CIA. It's similar to how Gene later spoke of The Boss allowing herself to be killed, even though somebody else had "willed" it. So while Vogin chose to nuke Sokolov's facility, he was unwittingly carrying out the will of the CIA. Convoluted plot, I know. --Bluerock (talk) 18:44, May 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, and besides, you can find something similar to what Gene said in the Plant Chapter script for Metal Gear Solid 2: "The President stops to consider the situation and realizes that this is part of the S3 Plan. He had thought he’d betrayed the Patriots on his own volition. But it turns out that he was being manipulated. Losing all hope, he turns and faces Raiden." I think that line best explains the free will wording. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:51, May 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, that description is a perfect analogy. It also highlights how the Patriots were no different to the American Philosophers that they replaced, with the organization essentially becoming a change in name only. --Bluerock (talk) 21:06, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Are all Extra Ops missions canon?
Weedle seems to think The End calling Big Boss from beyond the grave is canon. I personally doubt every Extra Ops mission is canon. Did Big Boss really fight dinosaurs and shoot soldier-carrying balloons? --68.45.180.182 22:06, May 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * As I said before, the Monster Hunter missions were likely to be non-canon (heck, you can't even get them the normal way, rather by doing a secret event in EX038). The soldier-carrying balloons, however, weren't specified to be non-canon, and are unlocked the standard way. Besides which, items are unlocked and there's even a briefing file on it anyways, one that expands on Kaz's backstory a bit. Regarding The End being contacted by radio, if The Boss possessing Peace Walker, a machine, one that was completely damaged, in the first ending can be counted as canon, I don't see any reason why The End bit can't be counted as canon. Still, hopefully Bluerock can clear things up. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:19, May 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * I never said the background info for the briefing file for the mission was not canon. Miller knowing a pig named Pooyan is not hard to believe. --68.45.180.182 22:34, May 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * I never listened to The End conversation, but sounds like a humorous Easter egg to me, similar to a ton of other Codec conversations in the other games. Also, Weedle, you are aware that the "ghost in the machine" does not literally mean a ghost in the supernatural sense, right? The Reptile Pod had inherited some personality traits of The Boss through Stangelove's programming, causing it to destroy itself.
 * Extra Ops as a whole are a bit inconsistent when it comes to canon. There are clearly some that are entirely feasible, and slot neatly in between the story in Main Ops. There are also others that are clearly tongue in cheek, like Big Boss going monster hunting. I think you can ignore some of the presentations in some missions, like Big Boss shooting down soldiers on balloons hundreds of feet in the air, or Snake and Paz/Kaz "making out" in a cardboard box; but one can still acknowledge that the MSF carried out missions to prevent enemy forces Fultoning away soldiers, or that Big Boss chilled out on the beach with friends just like anyone else.
 * --Bluerock (talk) 07:59, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, the whole "director" thing was confusing
It wouldn't make sense for the CIA to change DCIs in the middle of a mission. But I do wonder how Coldman planned the mission if he wasn't the DCI. The DCI is the one in charge of the CIA. Wouldn't he be the mastermind behind Operation Snake Eater and not Coldman?--68.45.180.241 21:29, May 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * A mastermind doesn't have to hold the highest position. It would make more sense for Coldman to be director of an operations/planning department. I don't profess to know the DCI's exact role, but the head of an organization usually sets out the general goals, whereas the various departments work on all the detailed stuff. --Bluerock (talk) 21:36, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

liquid ocelot
Well I guess your right nut wouldn't it be better to say "he was known from there on as liquid ocelot" rather that saying he was created? it implies that its a new character different than thw liquid ocelot from 2. Well that's how i read it at least.

Can you redo ocelot and liquid ocelot bios? i think they need a bit more polish in this department. If you have time of course. You're really good. --ZombieVito


 * I'll try and look them over in the next week or so when I have time. I do rewrite them occasionally as they sometimes become inundated with too much detail. I'll take on board any suggestions you think of to improve them. --Bluerock (talk) 20:38, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Well one thing that bugs me a little is that ocelot in 4 doesn't tecnically do anything but his bio has all of liquid ocelot stuff, shouldn't we redo that as well as we did liquid's? ZombieVito (talk) 20:45, May 22, 2013 (UTC)ZombieVito

Questions relating to the S3 Plan.
Hi.

I have some questions regarding the S3 Plan and specifically some things about it that were conflicting about it.


 * 1) Was Solid Snake's involvement in the S3 Plan actually a devastating outlier that would contaminate the project or not? GW's reactions to Solid Snake's presence ("He is not part of the simulation") and Ocelot's claim about his allegedly being unplanned in the project suggests the former, yet that AI speech Raiden listened to, especially the part about the project being "a resounding success," plus their placing a false lead into GW shortly beforehand regarding dead names, suggested the latter to be the case, or at the very least they did indeed anticipate Solid Snake's possible survival and intrusion into the project and acted accordingly?


 * 1) Acting on the same claim that it was a "resounding success," did that mean the Patriots also intended for Revolver Ocelot to get possessed by Liquid again or for him to crash Arsenal Gear into Manhattan? Aside from the claim of the S3 Plan being a "resounding success," their reaction (if any) to these events seemed oddly lacking (barely even referencing it) and almost calm, especially considering their more control-freak nature with GW allegedly panicking at the mere possibility of Solid Snake potentially contaminating the S3 Plan (evidenced by his frequent mentions of Snake "not being part of the simulation.").

Just some things that seemed confusing, and probably needs some clarifying, that's all. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:56, May 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * The S3 plan was to govern, control, and manipulate an extreme situation like the Shadow Moses Incident. They were concerned about Solid Snake's involvement because he was an unknown factor, as with any experiment (Snake's presence also brought about Liquid's control over Ocelot, who then caused the Arsenal Gear crash). However, as you say, the Patriots viewed the simulation as a success in the end, despite the initial misgivings about Snake, as they had accomplished their goal (elimination of a nuclear terrorist threat), though the collateral damage (Manhattan) didn't seem to bother them. Make of it what you will.


 * Despite all that, the "AI" is trying to exploit Raiden's emotions, and as such may not be terribly forthcoming. It was gloating about it's success, and was goading Raiden into finishing off Solidus for them. It's speech to was more about psychologically manipulating him, so one must take everything it said with a grain of salt.


 * --Bluerock (talk) 19:36, May 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * If I remember right, weren't they also responsible for the nuclear terrorist threat in the first place (at least according to Ocelot)? You know, manipulating Dead Cell and Solidus into trying to blow up New York City and all that? "Stopping a nuclear terrorist threat" doesn't seem a very rational goal for a logic-based AI when they were effectively the ones who started it and had no (perceivable, at least) sense of remorse for the action. At least with Liquid Snake, it definitely wasn't under their control (for the most part at least, though the so-called DOD investigation of FOXHOUND and some of Richard Ames' comments seem to indicate otherwise, but still...). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:02, May 23, 2013 (UTC)


 * That was the whole point. Manipulate the terrorists into initiating the incident, thus setting out the problem to be tackled, and then resolve it. Whether the terrorists succeeded or not would determine if GW was an effective enough problem solver to be handed control over global communications and censorship. Such complex planning in all aspects of the incident was required to test the AI's capabilities. --Bluerock (talk) 20:15, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay. Just one last question, though: Since infecting GW with Emma's worm cluster was part of the S3 Plan, why was the Colonel/GW acting as though Raiden should not continue on with his mission in Arsenal Gear (even managing to pull a similar stunt to Big Boss nearing the end of MG1), and at one point trying to break Raiden away from the mission by using Rose as leverage by claiming that she was held by the Sons of Liberty or something on Arsenal Gear. If trying to complete the S3 Plan was the goal, why would GW act as though Raiden should stop as if it were ruining the S3 Plan when continuing would? Was it Briar-Patching or something? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:58, May 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * Lol, I had to look up what briar-patching meant. The Colonel only told Raiden to abort when GW became affected by the worm cluster, so it can be assumed to be a glitch on the AI construct's part. Later, he seems to shake off this odd behavior when threatening Rose's life, using it as additional leverage to get Raiden to complete the mission, as I recall. --Bluerock (talk) 09:46, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

Che Biopic "source"
Hi.

The only thing I have in regards to a source regarding the Che biopic being part of the game was some posts I read on this GameFAQs topic:

"Hclan posted...

I agree but Kojima is kind of a political guy. I mean all the games have moral sentiments in them and talk about War. It was probably my very first introduction to world affairs and politics actually, back in 1998.

So I think he'll probably keep it how it is. Kojima will be Kojima. He's just got his style. Looks damn good though.

Well I live in Brazil, and I've been here ever since the end of the Right-Wing dictatorship (We had a pro american dictatorship in charge of the country for 30 years, from 64 to the nineties). I'm majoring in History, and I've been to Cuba, Equador and I plan on goig to Venezuela next year. It's great to see a game that treats Latin America's history from a latin american view point. Black Ops deeply offended me since it's typical "Merrika ftw" bull***, but the way Kojima treated the Cuban Revolution in PW was pretty nice. Seeing Big Boss and Kaz talking respectfully about Fidel and Che was amazing. Also, have you seen the first Che Guevara movie TC? Kojima drew some inspiration to PW from there"

"Hclan posted...

Which one the "Che" part 1 and 2 ones?

Che part one. I remember reading a japanese interview from Kojima, in which he cites it as one of the inspirations for PW Gonna see if I can find it later"

Later, Hclan made a post that was worded in such a way that made it seem as though the youtube link he gave WAS the interview Kojima gave, yet it actually turned out to be one of the Che-related briefing files:

"Confirmation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kU9TYw4oEj8

AWESOME!" The link to the topic is here, BTW:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/681794-metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain/63938511?page=1

I've tried to find the source elsewhere, but to no avail, and when I asked for the source on GameFAQs, the guys on there were doubtful that such an interview even existed. I'll try to keep looking, though.

On a slightly unrelated note, do you know if Konami Paris staff actually responds to their emails? I'm in the process of trying to contact Cecile Caminandes to find out some things for the wiki, namely why they chose her to act as the basis for Cecile Cosima Caminandes, and I'd like to know whether they respond because sometimes they don't respond in time, if at all (I had that experience before). Then again, their even posting individual email addresses suggests they at least want to read emails from outside sources, if not wish to respond to them. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:33, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

EDIT: Well, I've sent a PM to LukasRocksLives. Hopefully, he'll supply the link. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:13, May 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * If no one can verify it, it should be removed. It does sound like something Kojima might do (he is a huge fan of movies after all), but there's no evidence to support it. As for contacting Konami personnel, I really have no idea. --Bluerock (talk) 13:29, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * LukasRocksLives did indicate that he saw the interview before. However, yeah, we should delete it. For now, however, I'll hide it, since the source does exist somewhere. LukasRocksLives is somewhat anti-American, though, but he'd have to be crazy to try and keep this up in the topic had he been lying. I'll be sending the email soon for Cecile, BTW. I have four questions for her, only one of which actually relates to Konami (Peace Walker, specifically). That's all I'll say on the matter.Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:01, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

The Legacy Collection
Hi, Bluerock. Does MGS: TLC include MGS2: Substance and MGS: Subsistence? Cold Hotman 13:42, May 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, as it will include the HD editions of MGS2 and MGS3 (no Skateboarding or Snake vs. Monkey minigames though). --Bluerock (talk) 14:23, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

The year Solidus was elected
I admit it's a bit confusing. Nastasha says in a codec conversation in MGS that his term was almost up yet the database says he was the 43rd President, suggesting he was elected in 2001. In addition, in Rising, Sunny and Raiden suggests that the Presidential election dates are the same as in real life.

http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Metal_Gear_Rising:_Revengeance_radio_conversations#Operation_Tecumseh

As for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, if Solidus was elected in 2001 then we can assume he was the one who authorized the wars in the Metal Gear universe.

68.45.180.241 19:14, May 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that's correct. That's pretty much why I added it in.
 * BTW, 68.45.180.241 and Bluerock, here's the quote regarding Solidus forcing the NMD program through during Scott Dolph's speech. I'll even bold the specific part of the speech: "The National Missile Defense program was initiated in the end of the 20th century, projected to completion in 2005. However, the NMD trial conducted in the year 2000 was a complete failure and the success of the 1999 trials is now considered a chance happening. There was no technological solution in sight and the program was already attracting strong criticism from Russia and China for its potential violation of the Anti-Ballistic Missile agreement. The fact that any development in missile defense would trigger accelerated weapons development has been pointed out from the very beginning. President Sears forced the NMD proposal through and succeeded in deploying the program. Some say that it was a military interest - with plans for the hundred billion dollar program budget that actually arranged the legislative approval." Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:16, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Since the program was scheduled to be deployed in 2005, he could have pushed it through before he "resigned" instead of 2000. --68.45.180.241 19:25, May 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * Can you please note all this as a reference in the actual article (Solidus term dates, assumptions, etc)? It's important that reader's are aware of all the evidence for these claims, so that they can judge or scrutinize for themselves. Also, I appreciate you both addressing this, but in future, can you take article discussions to the corresponding talk page, so that is easily visible to all? Cheers. --Bluerock (talk) 19:47, May 30, 2013 (UTC)